You're giving him too much credit for rational thought.

Maybe, Joe Philbins plan worked on Tannehill...

He refused to name a qb starterthis week against the raiders.....

Is that a way to push tannehills buttons or what?

This has got to be one of tannehills best game so far in a dolphins uniform...

Should had thrown for 3 tds one was called back because of penalty.

Tannehill does not need to be motivated. He needed to be placed in a position to succeed. That's the coaches job. Going for 48 yds field goals in the first Quarter and giving the team bad field position does not.



Either does pulling the plug on your offense with all your time outs and 2:37 left in the half.

Philbin is a moron.we won this week in spite of him.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2014 02:01PM by TreasurecoastPhinsfan.

I agree with your theory SamSam basically but also note that Philbin ran far more option plays than usual and the sports media had been criticizing him for not doing that.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I agree with your theory SamSam basically but also
> note that Philbin ran far more option plays than
> usual and the sports media had been criticizing
> him for not doing that.


Looks like you were right...........Philbin gave tannehill the type of plays you were calling for all along.

Oh and a lawyer wont wear me out. Lawyers aren't any smarter than u or I, they just know how to say one thing three ways and charge 700 an hour for the privilege.

Football god- I am not trying to get into it with you but you seem to be talking about members of the community a lot more then any football insight... And then you criticize the community for doing exactly what you have done the last 2 days... Do you at least realize that?

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Bill Lazor only accepted the job because he was given total control of the offense.

Philbin doesn't call plays.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Bill Lazor only accepted the job because he was
> given total control of the offense.
>
> Philbin doesn't call plays.

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And you know this how?

I wonder how the phins D players are feeling today about the Defensive coordinator....

They were really on his case a week ago.

But nothing wipes the bad vibes like a W.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Bill Lazor only accepted the job because he was
> given total control of the offense.
>
> Philbin doesn't call plays.


What is your source for this? I'm not doubting it but I never heard it before. But I don't hear everything.

barry Jackson of the herald.

I posted the link a few posts back.

It also brings up an interesting point about a past topic.. When myself and others questioned Philbin choosing to take the knee before half during the Buffalo game.. If Lazor calls the plays and has control over the offense.. What makes us think it was Philbin's call to take a knee... I asked a football player friend of mine about it and he said if an OC calls all the plays it is very rare for a HC to jump in and overstep that protocol.. He told me it only happens if the HC hears the call and is dead against it... So I guess my point is, do you think it was Lazor or Philbin who made the call to down the ball and let the clock run out... Based on protocol it would seem it was Lazors call not Philbins...

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Like I said I wasn't doubting it. Just didn't know. As to that first half clock run down on the drive starting at our own 12 and getting only to the 17 at the 2 minute warning, whose ever call it was, I defended it.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> It also brings up an interesting point about a
> past topic.. When myself and others questioned
> Philbin choosing to take the knee before half
> during the Buffalo game.. If Lazor calls the plays
> and has control over the offense.. What makes us
> think it was Philbin's call to take a knee... I
> asked a football player friend of mine about it
> and he said if an OC calls all the plays it is
> very rare for a HC to jump in and overstep that
> protocol.. He told me it only happens if the HC
> hears the call and is dead against it... So I
> guess my point is, do you think it was Lazor or
> Philbin who made the call to down the ball and let
> the clock run out... Based on protocol it would
> seem it was Lazors call not Philbins...


I can't remember who it was, but I saw a tweet that said Lazor made a comment to the effect of "that wasn't my decision" when asked about running out the clock, which brings us back to, does Lazor have full control or not?
I can see a scenario where Philbin wouldn't meddle in play calls, but have final say so in a decision like that, either way it sucked IMO.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> It also brings up an interesting point about a
> past topic.. When myself and others questioned
> Philbin choosing to take the knee before half
> during the Buffalo game.. If Lazor calls the plays
> and has control over the offense.. What makes us
> think it was Philbin's call to take a knee... I
> asked a football player friend of mine about it
> and he said if an OC calls all the plays it is
> very rare for a HC to jump in and overstep that
> protocol.. He told me it only happens if the HC
> hears the call and is dead against it... So I
> guess my point is, do you think it was Lazor or
> Philbin who made the call to down the ball and let
> the clock run out... Based on protocol it would
> seem it was Lazors call not Philbins...

I don't think so crowder. The hc sets the direction the team is going. They approve or design the game plan and they give the coordinator instructions in game even if the play calling falls to the coordinator.

If it's 4th and one does the oc decide to go for it, punt, or try a fg? No. The hc makes that call. The oc only calls the play after the hc tells him to go for it.

This is the same thing. Philbin told him to run the clock out. Lazor called the plays to achieve that direction.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> I don't think so crowder. The hc sets the
> direction the team is going. They approve or
> design the game plan and they give the
> coordinator instructions in game even if the play
> calling falls to the coordinator.
>
> If it's 4th and one does the oc decide to go for
> it, punt, or try a fg? No. The hc makes that
> call. The oc only calls the play after the hc
> tells him to go for it.
>
> This is the same thing. Philbin told him to run
> the clock out. Lazor called the plays to achieve
> that direction.


That makes sense, in those scenarios the OC defers to the HC what he wants to do... And then the OC calls the play to accomplish it...

So total control of an offense isnt exactly total control of an offense...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I don't think so crowder. The hc sets the
> > direction the team is going. They approve or
> > design the game plan and they give the
> > coordinator instructions in game even if the
> play
> > calling falls to the coordinator.
> >
> > If it's 4th and one does the oc decide to go
> for
> > it, punt, or try a fg? No. The hc makes
> that
> > call. The oc only calls the play after the hc
> > tells him to go for it.
> >
> > This is the same thing. Philbin told him to
> run
> > the clock out. Lazor called the plays to
> achieve
> > that direction.
>
>
> That makes sense, in those scenarios the OC defers
> to the HC what he wants to do... And then the OC
> calls the play to accomplish it...
>
> So total control of an offense isnt exactly total
> control of an offense...


To me the phrase "total control of the offense" means designing the playbook, calling the plays and substitution packages. It wouldn't extend to game management decisions.

Truth- I just listened to an interview of Philbin from the phinsiders and he was discussing the 4th and 1 from the ten against the Raiders... Philbin said when it was "my turn" to make a decision, I felt strongly about being aggressive and we had a good play and executed it well... I told Bill that if it is close we are going to go for it... (a bit paraphrased)

So it seems your explanation and view of the scenario/protocol was right on point...

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