I don't think I've ever defended Goodell before but he is clearly getting a bad rap on the Ray Rice incident.

They are screaming for him to resign or be fired.

Why? Because based on the 1ST VIDEO which only showed Ray Rice dragging his now wife out of the elevator, he imposed a 2 game suspension.

The first howling was that it should have been more and he conceded error and made future cases SIX GAMES suspension.

But THEN the inside the elevator tape came out showing the knockout punch administered by Rice and everyone is screaming for Goodell's head claiming

1) he must have known because
2) TMZ and the police had the tape, so that proves he had it.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

The casino hotel in which the incident occurred IS GOING INTO BANKRUPTCY AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA SHORTLY BE UNEMPLOYED.

Obviously sleaze bags like TMZ paid some hotel employee UNDER THE TABLE for the tape.

Imagine what would happen if the NFL did so and all the questions came about as to how THEY got the tape? "Errr...we paid such a such employee who gave it to us under the table."

COMPLAINT NO. 2...The police had it so why didn't the NFL?

ANSWER: We (Goodell and the NFL) asked them for it and they would not give it to us.

Obviously True!

Could you imagine what Ray Rice's criminal defense attorneys would have done to the police if they had given the tapes to Rice's employer.....In fact, what would Rice's CIVIL attorneys have done to the police if they had handed over the tape.

So Goodell and the NFL was left like you and I waiting for some sleaze bag employee of the hotel to sell it to a sleaze bag organization like TMZ and to see it then.

This country has not gone far from Salem Massachusetts of the 1600's wherein we burn at the stake those we don't like, not for what they've done but because we want to burn them at the stake.

It's the press. They love to stir the shit or start a fire and watch it burn.With social media and the Internet it's getting worse.Reality is getting so distorted it's almost another dementia we now live in. Look around you. I drive 50 hrs a week. People buried in their phones looking to be a victim , hating and making comments from afar.It's becoming a serious issue

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Precisely!

And how hypocritical of them having paid for the tape under the table in the first place!

I think the NFL and Goodell saw the tape a long time ago... Everything changed when the tape became public...
What I don't get is how in the hell Rice's camp didn't buy the tape... Obviously TMZ bought it, Rice could have bought that tape for probably less then one game check... Someone in his camp should have been after that tape from day 1, everyone knew it existed.. There is always cameras in high end hotel elevators...

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First, Crowder, you act as if there was only one tape as opposed to TMZ buying a copy or copying the one tape.

If I were a crooked employee, I doubt I'd sell the only copy of the tape.

The hotel said they provided a copy to the police, prosecutors and defense attorney. So more than one copy.

So as far as Rice buying the only tape, couldn't have happened.

I think Goodell's story is consistent. TMZ brought it under the table and no one else was provided it accept the police and criminal prosecutors and defense attorneys.

No, there is no basis to believe that Goodell saw the tape long ago.

This is the reason I created this thread.

If you go through it logically, then everything supports the only conclusion that the only persons that the hotel WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN IT TO....would have been Rice's employers, the NFL.

TMZ brought it under the table.

The hotel gave it to the police and Rice's attorneys probably got a copy there.

But the police are not going to give it to anyone WHO IS NOT connected with the criminal justice system.

So everyone has a right to their thoughts, but I think you're wrong about believing that Goodell saw the tape a long time ago....at least wrong about him seeing the inside the elevator tape.

I will give you some advice in crisis management, if Rice bought the tape from the source and copyrighted it.. He is pretty solid.. If he did that and then an employee stole the tape and tried to sell it to TMZ, the copyright would prevent its release or TMZ would face a gigantic lawsuit...

I think the incident happened and the story was out.. All that surfaced to the media was the hallway tape.. The NFL got it all but they certainly were not going to release it to the media, neither was Rice's attorney.. The ownership stood behind Rice, to let it play out in the court.. Goodell wasn't going to go against the ownership and the NFLPA to criticize a player or take any action without the legal process playing out. Rice got pretrial intervention program, the legal system went lenient on him, he married the woman, etc... If the media didn't have the tape, the NFL wasn't going to destroy the guy, who previously had a good record and a fan favorite...

But then the bubble burst and the tape got out and the NFL went into cover your ass mode... That is my opinion... Even back when this story came out, we all talked about how the inside the elevator tape had to exist...

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2014 01:31PM by Crowder52.

TO be honest, what I saw on the new tape is exactly what I thought happened.. You don't knock somebody out cold like she was in the hallway tape without a major blow... I don't see what all this craziness over the new tape is, what did they think happened... He admitted to striking his wife so hard she hit the elevator wall and was obviously totally KOed, which was what happened...

I think GOodell and the NFL took huge criticism for only suspending Rice 2 games... That is what really led to outrage, and then when this tape came out it made that lenient punishment even more absurd in the public eye.. Goodell even changed the domestic violence policy trying to save face... Then this tape was an excuse to reconvict and condemn Rice to right Goodell's previous wrong... So he did... Now the NFL is caught up in a mess... And Rice and his family are dare I say kind of the victim of the NFL's mess... DOnt get me wrong Rice is a douche for doing what he did... I just think the NFL made it worse on him because of their own failures and missteps...

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2014 01:50PM by Crowder52.

Now doubt a witch hunt against the commissioner has begun. The Ray Rice thing is just an excuse. The fact is that the team we follow committed the sacrilege of defeating fair and square the Pretty Boy New England's Royalty doofuses. That officially ethnic German family in England are way upset. They would have love to see their Darling boy from California, rather than us and the Raiders at Wembley Stadium next September 28th. That's the main root of the hunt with Mr. Goodell. By the way the term Doofus is of Germanic etymological origin. It goes with the true blood of these vagabonds that have thousands of English people in poverty for the past three centuries. No wonder George F. Händel had a ball there composing music. Wolfgang should had followed the suggestion from Haydn to go there with him. Sadly he never did.

Wow Dolphacolyte. .....

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Dolphacolyte, you are an individual of infinite good breeding, knowledge, and also taste, I might add if I can.

You think JC doing a little searching had more insight into the matter then an NFL investigation...In the most polite sense, get the F*ck out of here with that nonsense...

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JC is da man. Lets make him NFL commissioner! Hell the pats have had an in long enough! Let's get a phins fan in !

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I will give you some advice in crisis management,
> if Rice bought the tape from the source and
> copyrighted it.. He is pretty solid.. If he did
> that and then an employee stole the tape and tried
> to sell it to TMZ, the copyright would prevent its
> release or TMZ would face a gigantic lawsuit...
>
> I think the incident happened and the story was
> out.. All that surfaced to the media was the
> hallway tape.. The NFL got it all but they
> certainly were not going to release it to the
> media, neither was Rice's attorney.. The ownership
> stood behind Rice, to let it play out in the
> court.. Goodell wasn't going to go against the
> ownership and the NFLPA to criticize a player or
> take any action without the legal process playing
> out. Rice got pretrial intervention program, the
> legal system went lenient on him, he married the
> woman, etc... If the media didn't have the tape,
> the NFL wasn't going to destroy the guy, who
> previously had a good record and a fan favorite...
>
>
> But then the bubble burst and the tape got out and
> the NFL went into cover your ass mode... That is
> my opinion... Even back when this story came out,
> we all talked about how the inside the elevator
> tape had to exist...

I don't think that's how copyright works. you can't just claim a copyright in something just b/c you bought it if the thing isn't copyrightable. a surveillance tape isn't subject to copyright since it's not an original work of authorship, it's just a camera pointed at an elevator. at least that's how I recall how it works from my time in law school a million years ago.

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Maybe but from recollection of my days in the entertainment and production business, whoever shot it owned it and owned the rights and could sell it. Whoever bought it copyrighted it, and then could sell the right to broadcast it... Whether it is a camera paid for and set up unmanned doesn't change ownership of what it shoots does it? You don't think the surveillance videos from all of these blooper shows aren't copyrighted and sold? And the owners paid? That wouldn't make sense but I am certainly not a lawyer....

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goodell is the guy who suspended sean payton for a full year, on the grounds that even if he didn't know about bounty gate, as the head coach the buck stops with him and he should have known
I'd like to see Roger try to wiggle out of this one....
It was totally implausible that the NFL Which has so much clout it has congress in its pocket (tax and antitrust exemptions) it couldn't get the tape from a piddly local police department by snapping its fingers.....

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Chyren here is a post from our MOD, JC after the
> event happened...
>
> I did a little searching, and apparently the
> police DO have video of Rice beating the woman. It
> hasn't been released yet. The youtube videos out
> there only show her being dragged through the
> elevator. The cops have something from a different
> camera *I think* Of course I don't know for sure,
> but that's what I'm basing most of my comments
> on---video that the cops have but haven't
> released. This is according to a deadspin.com
> article that cites Sports Illustrated.
>
> So don't tell me Goodell didn't know, if Sports
> Illustrated wrote about it...



Damn....I'd forgotten all about that.

Dolphacolyte Wrote:
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> ...... That
> officially ethnic German family in England are way
> upset.



Officially German? hmm . Anybody remember when Vladimir Putin stole Kraft's Super Bowl ring right on camera? In front of the entire world? At the time, Kraft laughed it off saying essentially that he was happy to 'give' the ring to Putin because his own family was part Russian.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > goodell is the guy who suspended sean payton for
> a
> > full year, on the grounds that even if he
> didn't
> > know about bounty gate, as the head coach the
> buck
> > stops with him and he should have known
> > I'd like to see Roger try to wiggle out of this
> > one....
> > It was totally implausible that the NFL Which
> has
> > so much clout it has congress in its pocket
> (tax
> > and antitrust exemptions) it couldn't get the
> tape
> > from a piddly local police department by
> snapping
> > its fingers.....
>
> Still, I guess I am uncomfortable with believing
> that a local police department would turn over a
> tape showing a crime involving an ongoing criminal
> investigation with charges possibly pending and
> with the defendant sure to hire a lawyer who can
> make much hay in a criminal trial about the
> evidence being shared with a private
> organization.
>
> And do you really believe that from April, this
> cop kept a copy of the tape recording of him
> calling the NFL to see if they had actually gotten
> the tape and that it didn't get lost in the mail?
>
> Sounds a little unreal to me. If he didn't then
> why didn't he get the name of the employee of the
> NFL to whom he spoke or better yet, demand to talk
> to someone in authority instead of contenting
> himself with asking a secretary over the phone? I
> mean if you're going to go through all the
> trouble.
>
> Furthermore, the Cop should be asked who did he
> deal with directly WHEN THE REQUEST FIRST CAME?
> That should have been the person he asked for and
> to whom he addressed the tape.
>
> Does it sound reasonable that he would just
> address the tape to "NFL, ."
>
> So from the standpoint of being a prosecutor and
> just logically, the cop's story raises more
> questions to me than Goodell's denial.


They had the tape since April. There's a voicemail from a league official confirming receipt. I am sure these details like who at nfl received it will come out today
Rices lawyer also had copy all along supposedly. Goodall coulda told the lawyer they won't rule on his case till they see the tape. Point is NFL could've seen the tape if it really wanted to

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I love when Chryen treats his bold accusations and assumptions as facts and gets them shoved down his throat with actual facts.

"TMZ paid someone under the table, OBVIOUSLY"

The power of video is unrelenting and Goodell is getting tried in the court of public opinion and when there's video evidence the public wants justice NOW. Everyone had an idea of what happened in that elevator. No one was outraged until they were forced to be by the release of that video. Everyone said they knew Donald Sterling was a racist but nothing happened until the audio tape was released.

It's the new pc correct media driven society we live in.

I think Goodell knew the tape was in possesion by the nfl. He probably dismissed it. This is the guy who lied about nfl players in regards to concussions. I hate the dumb *** 'heads up' campaign the NFL is trotting out, again lying and misleading people. He can take his 40 tax free mil and blow for all I care.

People w/ bad raps have usually done something to deserve them.

Also, something else I don't get about this mess the NFL created.. Goodell changed the domestic violence policy after the outrage he only gave Rice initially a 2 game suspension... He changed the policy to a 6 game suspension for first time offenders...

SO explain to me how Rice a first time offender of the NFL domestic violence policy, is now suspended indefinitely.. How can Goodell set the rules and policies, then not follow them... By Goodells own rules which he recently made stiffer, Rice should have a 6 game suspension, not an indefinite one.. What do rules and policies mean if he doesn't follow them.. All of this is totally hogwash handling by Goodell and his office... None of it makes any sense....

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