draft and groom 3 or 4 of them.

I wouldnt mind if we pick 5 Olinemen on this draft. YUP boring right?

Fix the less talented position on this team this year. Once and for all.

Its not like we are going to the playoffs this year.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> We should fill the LT position in free agency. I
> would then sign Claybo another 1 year contract.
> Then draft a tackle in rnds 2 or 3. Robinson,
> Mewhort, Moses all should be able to compete or be
> ready to compete in 2015.

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I agree, Mizzou, in that Miami needs to get their starting LT in FA.

If the "stars" will be at too high of a price, then Miami could still do well getting one of the second tier guys. If that fails, Miami could always resign McKinnie as a stop-gap.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> mizzou15 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We should fill the LT position in free agency.
> I
> > would then sign Claybo another 1 year contract.
> > Then draft a tackle in rnds 2 or 3. Robinson,
> > Mewhort, Moses all should be able to compete or
> be
> > ready to compete in 2015.
>
>
> I agree we need to hit FA hard. But Claybo?
> really? McKinny gets a 1 yr if it was up to me.
> Claybo was horrible, Huge part of the problem last
> season. But going back to Sam's OP , moving up in
> this draft makes no sense. We have too many holes.
> I'd even be for unloading Dion Jordan for even
> more picks. The Jets have 12 picks in this draft!
> Lets hope they continue to pick shit. We need to
> start hitting on drafts or we are going to forever
> be a laughing stock.

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Everyone was coming down on Clabo, and it was deserved, however...

When he was benched then returned because of the bullying fiasco, he played well.

I'm not saying resign him, but it's something the coaches will be looking at.

If Miami can't fill that offensive line, they will probably end up resigning him.

eesti Wrote:
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> What is it with all the love for McKinnie? He gave
> up 7 sacks in 10 games last year, 13 hits and 38
> hurries!!! And he is twice the pass blocker as he
> is a run blocker.
>
> That means he probably gets Tannehill sacked 12-15
> times next year. There was a reason he was
> cut/replaced in Baltimore.
>
> He's not even a good option at backup. You need
> someone with potential and someone who can play
> multiple spots.
>
> We could throw a dart at the FA LT board and find
> a better left tackle.
>
> Time to move on from losers.

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I don't think it's the "love" for McKinnie; it's just looking at things realistically.

Getting a solid LT is very difficult. If Miami can't get one, then McKinnie is a decent Plan B, until a good LT is found.

McKinnie is not that bad; he held his own most of the way. Granted, he looked like crap in some of the games, but overall, he played well enough for Miami to resign him if they can't get someone better.

IMO, I believe Hickey will find someone to fill that spot, and I believe it will be one of the second-tier tackles in FA, then somewhere in the draft, another two or three linemen should be taken (depending on what happens in FA).

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> I rather have 1 good starting caliber draftee as
> opposed to 4 scrubs.
>
>
> I wouldnt mind if they traded up for the next 6
> years and build this thing right.
>
>
> We are not going to the playoffs this year with
> the team anyways.
>
>
> We ve trading down and it hasn't worked and its
> never going to work.

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Understand what you are saying, Sam, but Miami cannot afford to lose their draft picks with so many holes to fill.

Getting one HOFer in the draft will not help Miami in the long run.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> BTW TCPF................If that year comes back
> where ricky williams was drafted....
>
>
> And i was the phins head coach....and had a chance
> to do it all over again.....I would trade my
> entire draft picks for him.....
>
>
> He was a one man wrecking crew when he was here.
> Especially against the jets.
>
>
> The best RB we've had for a while.

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But Miami didn't have as many holes to fill at that time, plus the Fins were usually in contention.

Completely different story, today.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> And i also wish people would stop saying this team
> is going to sign a free agent LT.....For what 2 or
> 3 years?
>
>
> We need someone whos going to last a while.
>
>
> You need to realize free agent Oline guys havent
> worked out for this team..ever. For the last 15
> years we have signed a bunch free agent Oline
> scrubs...including all those free agent Olinemen
> scrubs from dallas.

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Sorry, Sam, no guarantees in the draft at OT.

Sign a FA OT and draft two or three offensive linemen.

Don't forget, Miami took Jake Long with the first pick of the draft. Although he played well (a few pro bowls to his credit), it didn't get Miami very far.

It's a crap shoot, both in FA, the draft, and even in a trade.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> draft and groom 3 or 4 of them.
>
> I wouldnt mind if we pick 5 Olinemen on this
> draft. YUP boring right?
>
> Fix the less talented position on this team this
> year. Once and for all.


So you are giving up on next year?

If you aren't going to sign veterans in FA AND you want to groom 4 olineman...you are saying they won't be ready for next year.

Sorry but that doesn't make any sense Sam.

Better to sign 4 guys you know can play in the league already as free agents and then draft two guys to groom this year and two more next year when the guys you spent this season grooming will be ready to play.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What is it with all the love for McKinnie? He
> gave
> > up 7 sacks in 10 games last year, 13 hits and
> 38
> > hurries!!! And he is twice the pass blocker as
> he
> > is a run blocker.
> >
> > That means he probably gets Tannehill sacked
> 12-15
> > times next year. There was a reason he was
> > cut/replaced in Baltimore.
> >
> > He's not even a good option at backup. You need
> > someone with potential and someone who can play
> > multiple spots.
> >
> > We could throw a dart at the FA LT board and
> find
> > a better left tackle.
> >
> > Time to move on from losers.
>
> The only way I'd bring McKinnie back is as a
> reserve. We need an upgrade at LT. We can live
> with status quo at RT. If we Re-sign any ot it
> should be Clabo.


RE: We bring him back because he can start, not that he will mind you. In any event we will need quaility depth.

Ken Wrote:
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>
>
> RE: We bring him back because he can start, not
> that he will mind you. In any event we will need
> quaility depth.


Exactly.

You get him for 1 year at 2-3m. Then you don't have to reach for anyone in the draft because your worst case scenario is Clabo at RT. The best case is that Thomas beats him out or you draft someone who does.

eesti Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ken Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > RE: We bring him back because he can start,
> not
> > > that he will mind you. In any event we will
> > need
> > > quaility depth.
> >
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > You get him for 1 year at 2-3m. Then you don't
> > have to reach for anyone in the draft because
> your
> > worst case scenario is Clabo at RT. The best
> case
> > is that Thomas beats him out or you draft
> someone
> > who does.
>
> I don't think it's the "love" for McKinnie; it's
> just looking at things realistically.
>
> Getting a solid LT is very difficult. If Miami
> can't get one, then McKinnie is a decent Plan B,
> until a good LT is found.
>
> See, that's the point. McKinnie is a fall back
> option. you don't count on him as the main plan.
> He is a player that you roll the dice and see if
> he's available after your roster is 90% filled
> out. The other guys were saying just sign him as
> plan "A" and roll with it.
>
> Option a = Monroe
> option b = Albert
> Option c = Collins
> Option d = draft
> Option e = mid tier FA or
> Option e = Mc Fatty

Agreed. But McKinnie is my last option at LT.

I don't hate him, I just need to up grade that position now. How many years are you going to have 2 or 3 legit franchise type LT's hit free agency?

I'd rather overspend to address that need this year then get stuck looking for a Mckinnie replacement next year when there might not be one.

eesti Wrote:
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> Huge speculation? LOL. Call it whatever makes you
> feel better. Bottom line, Our O line was giving up
> 4-5 sacks a game amd was on parr to be the worst
> line in the history of the game until ONE thing
> changed. We traded for McKiney. He started right
> away and there was a dramatic change. Call it
> chemistry , call it Claybo's learning curve,
> whatever. That's a fact Jack. Guy earned another 1
> yr contract IMO. Absolutely.
>
>
> 1st 8 games without McK....29 sacks
>
> second half of season with McK....
>
> Week 9 vs Cin 3 sacks
> Week 10 vs TB 2 sacks
> Week 11 vs SD 4 sacks
> Week 12 vs Car 3 sacks
> Week 14 vs Pit 2 sacks
> Week 15 vs NE 4 sacks
> Week 16 vs Buf 6 sacks
>
> 24 sacks
>
> Dramatic change? 5 sacks?




You Stat fairies love the numbers huh?

That first game against CIN was on Holloween.......it was the Best game of the year IMO. It was the week Martin quit and then started all the drama. The whole line solidified and players around Mckinny played better.

That December surge we had against the Jets/Steelers/and Pats were because the whole group picked it up , You failed the mention the jets game were there were no sacks. Against the Pats we were unstoppable. I was there and it was an incredible effort.

But the Drama won out. McKinny played incredible well for a player who did not attend camp with this Team. He just showed up , suited up with players he did not know, in the middle of a National controversy (think all the trainers and coaches were giving him their undivided attention? ) But yeah I know......your little number search says the Dolphins only improved by 5 sacks .

Careful what you read, the funny thing about stats is they rarely give the whole story. Those stats are all a bit out of context. the fact they improved at all down that stretch is very telling of Mckinny and his abilities. Give him a 1 yr contract with a proper training camp and coaches. At the very worst he is much needed depth at a serious depleted (almost non existent) unit.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Only year i had hope after dan left was when pennington was the QB and we made the playoffs..

Brady was hurt BTW.

We won the AFC east...and made playoffs.

It sure was a quick fall from cloud 9.

1 game into the playoffs and it was over.

At least i had a good week on that last game when we beat the jets to clinch the east.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Very valid points by everyone....I understand what
> you are all saying and every single one of you
> makes sense in a way.
>
> But there are different ways to look at this
> situation.
>
> I want you all to understand what i mean.
>
> I think this is not going to get done...At least
> making the playoffs....In one year or two. Its
> going to take longer.
>
> we have many wholes to fill...I agree with
> everyone.
>
> But why not make sure you fill those wholes little
> by little in 4 or 5 years....or 6
>
> If we trade up there is a better chance of
> drafting a better player.
>
> I would take hitting on just 2 players every year
> for the next 6 years.
>
>
> Thats just the way i see it....
>
>
> you all sound like you want a quick fix right now.
> Win this year....Yes we will win a few
> games.....But miss playoffs like always IMO.
>
> Im willing to wait forever. Im not going
> anywhere.
>
>
> And yes we've been saying the same thing over and
> over 4 ever. QUOTE from others and yes me too :
> Its going to take at least a couple of years..
>
>
> Whole point that i want you all to understand:
>
> The phins management and coaches needs to do
> something drastic in order to get better. Because
> what we been doing since dan left hasnt worked.
>
> I trully hope hickey is the right one for this
> job.



I get what you are wishing for now Sam. But you have to realize is, just moving up does not guarantee anything. History has shown in the past , The more Picks , the more chances you have of hitting on a player not the other way around. Jimmy Johnson would always Trade down for more Picks. So does..........wait for it..........Belichick and company! He is always storing away more and more draft choices. Do your homework plus a little luck is the Formula. Every once and a while moving up for a really important need might work out. Especially at QB. But OT? In a draft deep with Pretty good Players? That's just silly.

If anything the Dolphins should Trade down if they could and try to grab another Lineman in the later rounds.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2014 06:13AM by TreasurecoastPhinsfan.

This is a deep draft I think if anything we should try to trade down
and collect more picks. If not need everyone of our 6 picks.

Exactly. And since we had to blow a late pick on McKinney We should offer him a 1 yr contract . Great insurance until we can beef up the line again next season.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Huge speculation? LOL. Call it whatever makes
> you
> > feel better. Bottom line, Our O line was giving
> up
> > 4-5 sacks a game amd was on parr to be the
> worst
> > line in the history of the game until ONE thing
> > changed. We traded for McKiney. He started
> right
> > away and there was a dramatic change. Call it
> > chemistry , call it Claybo's learning curve,
> > whatever. That's a fact Jack. Guy earned another
> 1
> > yr contract IMO. Absolutely.
> >
> >
> > 1st 8 games without McK....29 sacks
> >
> > second half of season with McK....
> >
> > Week 9 vs Cin 3 sacks
> > Week 10 vs TB 2 sacks
> > Week 11 vs SD 4 sacks
> > Week 12 vs Car 3 sacks
> > Week 14 vs Pit 2 sacks
> > Week 15 vs NE 4 sacks
> > Week 16 vs Buf 6 sacks
> >
> > 24 sacks
> >
> > Dramatic change? 5 sacks?
>
>
>
>
> You Stat fairies love the numbers huh?
>
> That first game against CIN was on
> Holloween.......it was the Best game of the year
> IMO. It was the week Martin quit and then started
> all the drama. The whole line solidified and
> players around Mckinny played better.
>
> That December surge we had against the
> Jets/Steelers/and Pats were because the whole
> group picked it up , You failed the mention the
> jets game were there were no sacks. Against the
> Pats we were unstoppable. I was there and it was
> an incredible effort.
>
> But the Drama won out. McKinny played incredible
> well for a player who did not attend camp with
> this Team. He just showed up , suited up with
> players he did not know, in the middle of a
> National controversy (think all the trainers and
> coaches were giving him their undivided attention?
> ) But yeah I know......your little number search
> says the Dolphins only improved by 5 sacks .
>
> Careful what you read, the funny thing about stats
> is they rarely give the whole story. Those stats
> are all a bit out of context. the fact they
> improved at all down that stretch is very telling
> of Mckinny and his abilities. Give him a 1 yr
> contract with a proper training camp and coaches.
> At the very worst he is much needed depth at a
> serious depleted (almost non existent) unit.

Fairy? Really? Weren't you the one crying over uniforms for about 4 months? lol Does that make you the Uniform fairy?

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

THE Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > THE Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ken Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RE: We bring him back because he can start,
> > not
> > > > that he will mind you. In any event we will
> > > need
> > > > quaility depth.
> > >
> > >
> > > Exactly.
> > >
> > > You get him for 1 year at 2-3m. Then you
> don't
> > > have to reach for anyone in the draft because
> > your
> > > worst case scenario is Clabo at RT. The best
> > case
> > > is that Thomas beats him out or you draft
> > someone
> > > who does.
> >
> > I don't think it's the "love" for McKinnie;
> it's
> > just looking at things realistically.
> >
> > Getting a solid LT is very difficult. If Miami
> > can't get one, then McKinnie is a decent Plan
> B,
> > until a good LT is found.
> >
> > See, that's the point. McKinnie is a fall back
> > option. you don't count on him as the main
> plan.
> > He is a player that you roll the dice and see
> if
> > he's available after your roster is 90% filled
> > out. The other guys were saying just sign him
> as
> > plan "A" and roll with it.
> >
> > Option a = Monroe
> > option b = Albert
> > Option c = Collins
> > Option d = draft
> > Option e = mid tier FA or
> > Option e = Mc Fatty
>
> Agreed. But McKinnie is my last option at LT.
>
> I don't hate him, I just need to up grade that
> position now. How many years are you going to
> have 2 or 3 legit franchise type LT's hit free
> agency?
> ________________________________________________
> I'd rather overspend to address that need this
> year then get stuck looking for a Mckinnie
> replacement next year when there might not be one.
______________________________________________________
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All reports indicate that this class is deep in talent at all positions, so this is the year to grab an offensive lineman or two.

Who knows for next year.

LMAO.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Very valid points by everyone....I understand what
> you are all saying and every single one of you
> makes sense in a way.
>
> But there are different ways to look at this
> situation.
>
> I want you all to understand what i mean.
>
> I think this is not going to get done...At least
> making the playoffs....In one year or two. Its
> going to take longer.
>
> we have many wholes to fill...I agree with
> everyone.
>
> But why not make sure you fill those wholes little
> by little in 4 or 5 years....or 6
>
> If we trade up there is a better chance of
> drafting a better player.
>
> I would take hitting on just 2 players every year
> for the next 6 years.
>
>
> Thats just the way i see it....
>
>
> you all sound like you want a quick fix right now.
> Win this year....Yes we will win a few
> games.....But miss playoffs like always IMO.
>
> Im willing to wait forever. Im not going
> anywhere.
>
>
> And yes we've been saying the same thing over and
> over 4 ever. QUOTE from others and yes me too :
> Its going to take at least a couple of years..
>
>
> Whole point that i want you all to understand:
>
> The phins management and coaches needs to do
> something drastic in order to get better. Because
> what we been doing since dan left hasnt worked.
>
> I trully hope hickey is the right one for this
> job.

*****************************************************

Sam, I believe everyone here understands what you are saying and why.

I disagree where you say Miami can't reach the playoffs in one or two years. If, and I say If, our FO does its job and the right people are drafted or signed in FA, then the Fins could possibly be looking at the playoffs in two years. If they don't get the right people, then the playoffs will be further down the line.

You say two players every year for four to six years. The only problem with that is quite often, once the contracts are up, they are looking for the big bucks and they move on. So, now Miami has to get their replacements. It's a never-ending cycle.

You wish to hit on two players every year. There are no guarantees; Miami could sign an All Pro and his time with the Dolphins could see him playing at a mediocre level. Grab the #1 guy in the draft and he could be a bust (i.e., Ryan Leaf). Again, no guarantees.

Quick fix? No such thing, unless a team already has the pieces in place and just need one or two players to put them over the hump. What we are saying is because there are so many holes to fill, Miami can't afford to lose any of their draft picks, and I would guess, depending on how high up Miami would trade, they could potentially lose next year's number one. I, Personally, wouldn't make that move. Besides, I don't believe there to be any "sure things" in this year's draft to want to move up for.

Do something drastic? How about Hickey, et al, draft the right guys and also sign the right guys in FA? That would be a drastic change from past years.

IMO, once Miami gets out of the second round, if there are any teams wishing to trade up with Miami, that's the route Miami should take, where they can get more picks, and hopefully don't pick guys none of us have ever heard of and in positions we don't need these guys to fill. Backtracking...if a team wishes to trade up with Miami in the second round, I would do so if Miami doesn't have to go too far back.

yes capkoi............miami has picked players over and over nobody knew about.

Who the hell was eddie moore?


I still do not know who he was. and he played or practiced for the phins and i think retired already.


I hope things change. Keep your fingers crossed on hickey.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> yes capkoi............miami has picked players
> over and over nobody knew about.
>
> Who the hell was eddie moore?
>
>
> I still do not know who he was. and he played or
> practiced for the phins and i think retired
> already.
>
>
> I hope things change. Keep your fingers crossed on
> hickey.

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Moore himself was shocked when he got drafted in the second round by Miami. He was just hoping to get drafted! I believe he was with Miami (maybe) two years and went to another team and disappeared.

but then goes the 1990 draft and don shula totally redeems himself with the first two picks. webb and sims.

This team can reach the playoffs in 2 years. We gotta get it right this year in regards to fixing the oline. We need to find 5-7 solid guys to play together this year and gel. A good oline results in a good running game, Tanne play better (I still have faith in the guy).
A good oline keeps our defense off the field. Tanne also has to gel w/ his receivers. Sims showed glimpses of athleticism last year and I actually think Egnew has game. Get our receivers healthy and the weapons are there. We also have to find 2 DT to replace Soliai & Stark. I would love to get Linvale Joseph and maybe bring Starks back. ....

We can do it