What is would cost.....

I believe the only ones we would even consider resigning are Grimes, Starks, Solia, Carroll & Clemons.

Brent Grimes, 31 in July
Starks, 31 in Dec
Soliai, 31 in Dec
Clemons 29 in Sep
Carroll, turned 27 in Jan.

Last years CB contracts....

Sean Smith turned 26 last July, signed 3 yr/16.5mil deal.
Aquib Talib and Dom Rod Crom signed a 1 year, 5 mil deal
Grimes signed 1 year 5.5 deal.
Chris Houston turned 29 last Oct, signed 5 yr/25 mil
Derek Cox turned 27 last Sept, signed 4 yr/ 20 mil
Keenan Lewis turned 27 last May, signed 5 yr/26 mil
Leodis Mckelvin turned 28 last Sep, signed 4 yr/17 mil
Dunta Robinson turned 31 last April, signed 3 yr/15 mil
Antoine Winfield turned 36 last June, signed 1 yr/3mil

as you can see the highest contract was 5.5 mil per year and that was to a 26 year old player (Smith).

The market is flooded with CB's this year....

Brent Grimes 31
Vontae Davis 26
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 28
Chris Harris Jr. 25
Captain Munnerlyn 26
Alterraun Verner 25
Drayton Florence 33
Will Blackmon 29
Trumaine McBride 28
Rashean Mathis 34
Brandon Ghee 27
Walter Thurmond 27
Quentin Jammer 35
Tarell Brown 29

Market for 31 year old CB = 6 mil tops IMO. We could live with that under our cap on a two year deal.

DT contacts last year....

Franchise Tag
Henry Melton (Signed one-year, $8.45M deal with CHI)
Randy Starks (Signed one-year, $8.45M deal with MIA)

Jason Jones 27 last May(Signed three-year, $9.5M deal with DET)
Desmond Bryant 28 last Dec (Signed five-year, $34M deal with CLE)
Terrance Knighton (Signed two-year, $4.5M deal with DEN)
Chris Canty (Signed three-year, $8M deal with BAL)
Glenn Dorsey (Signed two-year, $6M deal with SF)
C.J. Mosley (Signed two-year, $2.75M deal with DET)
Cullen Jenkins (Signed three-year, $8M deal with NYG)
Ricky Jean-Francois (Signed four-year, $22M deal with IND)
Sen'Derrick Marks (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with JAX)

So maybe Starks gets something close to Desmon Bryant??? Starks is older but more accomplished.

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Its good to hear Grimes say that he wants to end his career in MIA sounds like he is willing to work w/ the team on a contract. Starks's camp has been silent understandable he has a lot at risk. Carrol is good in the slot I would resign him.

Soliai and Clemons can be replaced in the draft.

# big run stoppers that can replace Soliai
Jones Penn State - 2nd rnd
McCullers TN - 3rd - monster will sink or swim
Coleman UCLA - 5/6 - another pocket collapser

I was liking Reynolds (Stanford) but now I like this guy from Vandy who will probably be available in rnd 4.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Its good to hear Grimes say that he wants to end
> his career in MIA sounds like he is willing to
> work w/ the team on a contract.

Yes that was good to hear. I am not as worried about the big contract as I was before. I just don't think he will get huge offers at his age. Not with the other CB's that are available.

Starks's camp has
> been silent understandable he has a lot at risk.
> Carrol is good in the slot I would resign him.

Carroll performed way above expectations last year only he was a perimeter player. Not slot. Jimmy Wilson was our main slot guy. 16 out of 451 snaps were in the slot for Carroll. Wilson had 348 in the slot.

>
> Soliai and Clemons can be replaced in the draft.

at what cost though? Clemons was our best safety since Jones decided to take the year off. If they plan on replacing either of these guys in the draft it will probably have to be in the top 2 or 3 rounds unless we get very lucky. Yes they were both low round picks but they also played like it for the first several years.

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Last year safety contracts....

Jairus Byrd (Franchise Tagged)
Dashon Goldson (Signed five-year, $41.25M deal with T
Ed Reed (Signed three-year, $15M deal with HOU)
William Moore (Signed five-year, $29.512M deal with ATL)
Bernard Pollard (Signed one-year, $2M deal with TEN)
Glover Quin (Signed five-year, $23.5M deal with DET)
Louis Delmas (Signed two-year, $9.465M deal with DET)
Charles Woodson (Signed one-year, $2.5M deal with OAK)
Chris Clemons (Signed one-year, $2.75M deal with MIA)
Kenny Phillips (Signed one-year, $2M deal with PHI)
George Wilson (Signed two-year, $4M deal with TEN)
LaRon Landry (Signed four-year, $24M deal with IND)

We would be crazy not to resign Clemons if we can get him for under 3 mil a year. He's solid but he gets the job done. He just doesn't gamble for big plays so he is viewed as sub-par. I'll take solid over busted coverage and screw ups all day long.

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2013 OT contracts...

LT

Ryan Clady (Signed five-year, $52.5M deal with DEN)
Andre Smith (Signed three-year, $18M deal with CIN)
Branden Albert (Signed one-year, $9.828M deal with KC)
Jake Long (Signed four-year, $34M deal with STL)
Sebastian Vollmer (Signed four-year, $17M deal with NE)
Will Beatty (Signed five-year, $37.5M deal with NYG)
Gosder Cherilus (Signed five-year, $34.5M deal with IND)
Phil Loadholt (Signed four-year, $25M deal with MIN)
Jermon Bushrod (Signed five-year, $35.965M deal with CHI)
Tyson Clabo (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with MIA)
Sam Baker (Signed six-year, $41.1M deal with ATL)
Ryan Harris (Signed one-year, $715K deal with HOU)
King Dunlap (Signed two-year, $3.95M deal with SD)
Bryant McKinnie (Signed two-year, $6.3M deal with BAL)

Looks like Albert and Monroe won't come cheap...

8-10 mil range.

No way am I paying that! I am drafting a LT if I have to move up to get one.

Anthony Collins is another good one but he will get 6-7 mil I would guess.

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Guard contracts in 2013.........

Andy Levitre (Signed six-year, $46.8M deal with TEN)
Louis Vasquez (Signed four-year, $23.5M deal with DEN)
Donald Thomas (Signed four-year, $14M deal with IND)
Lance Louis (Signed one-year, $1,603,750 deal with MIA)
Willie Colon (Signed one-year, $1.2M deal with NYJ)
Eben Britton (Signed one-year, $715K deal with CHI)
Jake Scott (Signed one-year, $840K deal with DET)
Ramon Foster (Signed three-year, $5.8M deal with PIT)
Kevin Boothe (Signed one-year, $905K deal with NYG)
Geoff Schwartz (Signed one-year, $700k deal with KC)
Matt Slauson (Signed one-year, $815K deal with CHI)

We obviously missed the boat with Slauson and Schwartz.

We should be in the 4-5 mil range for at least one guard. I would offer Schwartz 3 mil but go to 4.

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eesti Wrote:
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> mizzou15 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Its good to hear Grimes say that he wants to
> end
> > his career in MIA sounds like he is willing to
> > work w/ the team on a contract.
>
> Yes that was good to hear. I am not as worried
> about the big contract as I was before. I just
> don't think he will get huge offers at his age.
> Not with the other CB's that are available.
>
> Starks's camp has
> > been silent understandable he has a lot at
> risk.
> > Carrol is good in the slot I would resign him.
>
> Carroll performed way above expectations last year
> only he was a perimeter player. Not slot. Jimmy
> Wilson was our main slot guy. 16 out of 451 snaps
> were in the slot for Carroll. Wilson had 348 in
> the slot.
>
> >
> > Soliai and Clemons can be replaced in the
> draft.
>
> at what cost though? Clemons was our best safety
> since Jones decided to take the year off. If they
> plan on replacing either of these guys in the
> draft it will probably have to be in the top 2 or
> 3 rounds unless we get very lucky. Yes they were
> both low round picks but they also played like it
> for the first several years.


I would be prepared to spend a 2nd and 3 or 4th rnd picks to replace Starks and Solia. Solia is the easiest to replace imo. There are several 2 down run stuffing DT's available in this draft. My problem w/ Clemons is lack of ints. Just like Soliai im looking somewhere else to get the job done.

no offense but calling clemons our best safety last year is equivalent to winning a tallest midget contest.

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> no offense but calling clemons our best safety
> last year is equivalent to winning a tallest
> midget contest.

Now that's funny.

All the more reason to sign him. If we already have bad play at SS then we can't afford to lose a solid player. I understand most fans will judge him solely for the number of int's he doesn't get but he is well worth the money. He is not the bad player some would make him out to be.

Or....just sign Jairus Byrd if you want to spend 8 mil on a FS. Reshad Jones is scheduled to count 3.6 mil vs the cap this year and 7.8 mil next year!

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move jimmy wilson to fs. he has better ball skills and is cheap.

clemons can go be average somewhere else.

Better ball skills? Based on his 3 career int's?

Jimmy Wilson does not have the range or make up speed that Clemons does. He is quicker than fast and decent in small spaces but most likely below average as a FS. That's probably why he plays the slot and was moved from safety and also why he couldn't beat out Clemons for the job to begin with.

Expecting him to become a ball hawking safety is asking a lot.

I know everyone wants a ball hawk. So do I. It's just more rare than people acknowledge. There's only a handful of those guys in the entire league.

Only 7 safeties (Strong and free) had more than 3 picks last year.

Antrell Rolle 6
Tashaun Gipson 5
Earl Thomas 5
Jairus Byrd 4
Quinton Demps 4
Michael Mitchell 4
Eric Reid 4

Only 3 safeties had more than 4 picks in 2012.

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I saw at least two times last year where Clemons was screaming at Reshad Jones, telling him where to line up. He was not happy. Not sure what Reshad's problem was last year. Maybe he was hanging out with the o-line too much.

Did anyone else notice this?

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and asking clemons to earn a 5-6mm/yr contract is a lot to ask too.

you can't replace everyone via high priced FAs and locking our own average FS up with a big contract doesn't help either.

i don't act like i have all the solutions but i do know that just because i've rooted for and become familiar with these players doesn't change the fact that they're part of a defense that has struggled creating turnovers or making game changing plays.

i also know that paying an average player big money doesn't make him a better player.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> and asking clemons to earn a 5-6mm/yr contract is
> a lot to ask too.
>
> you can't replace everyone via high priced FAs and
> locking our own average FS up with a big contract
> doesn't help either.

Who, ever said he was getting 6 mil a year? He played on a 1 year deal last year for 2.75 mil. I would not pay him 6 either but I would damn sure pay him 3. That's nothing for a starter.

The 2.75 mil he made last year would not even rank him in the top 20 for safeties.

>
> i don't act like i have all the solutions but i do
> know that just because i've rooted for and become
> familiar with these players doesn't change the
> fact that they're part of a defense that has
> struggled creating turnovers or making game
> changing plays.

I see what you did there. Insinuate that I am only "rooting" for him because I am a homer....not exactly. I just realize their is more to playing safety than getting int's and they don't grow on trees. The defense did struggle but I would fix the broken pieces before I worry about the above average pieces.

I would be more pissed about the guys that flat out stunk last year and got paid huge contracts....

Reshad Jones (6th highest paid safety in NFL)
Phillip Wheeler (14th highest paid OLB and most are pass rushers)
Dannelle Ellerbe (12th highest paid)

>
> i also know that paying an average player big
> money doesn't make him a better player.

...and calling him average doesn't make it so. He was one of the better coverage safeties in the league over the last two years. Like I said, there are only a handful of safeties who collect int's year after year.

My only point is that if you're not willing to spend 7 mil a year for a free safety (on top of Jones contract) then you would be hard pressed to find a replacement for 2.75 mil a year that could do the same job as CC. You either spend in FA or you draft high and ignore the o-line.

None of the FA's are ball hawks except Byrd and the rest of them are strong "in the box" safeties or just old.

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you keep calling him one of the better coverage safeties in the league. if so he'll command more than 3mm/yr.

Yes it all depends on the market. There is reported to be a huge drop-off at safety this year in the draft and it has been said that maybe only 4 safeties will be able to play at all this year.

That may drive his price up but I would be surprised if it went as high as 6 mil as there are lots of FA safeties available.

I guess we'll see soon enough.

Safeties available in FA....

Strong Safety:

TJ Ward, Donte Whitner, Antoine Bethea, Ihedigbo, James Ihedigbo, Quinton Mikkel

Free safety:

Jairus Byrd, Malcomb Jenkins, Husain Abdullah, Chris Clemons, Louis Delmas, Ryan Clark, Rafael Bush

Lots more available...

T.J. Ward 27 CLV UFA 14.5 1124
Donte Whitner 29 SF UFA 11.5 1033
Jairus Byrd 27 BUF UFA 9.9 646
James Ihedigbo 30 BLT UFA 4.7 1098
Chris D. Clemons 28 MIA UFA 4.1 1158
Bernard Pollard 29 TEN UFA 3.4 1077
Husain Abdullah 29 KC UFA 2.9 292
Rafael Bush 27 NO RFA 2.9 520
Usama Young 29 OAK UFA 2.5 208
Louis Delmas 27 DET CUT 2.0 1058
Charles Woodson 37 OAK UFA 1.8 1098
Quintin Mikell 33 CAR UFA 1.3 688
Danny McCray 26 DAL UFA 0.9 9
Michael Mitchell 27 CAR UFA 0.5 920
Taylor Mays 26 CIN UFA 0.5 203
Kurt Coleman 26 PHI UFA 0.2 74
Ryan Mundy 29 NYG UFA 0.2 667
Anthony Walters 25 CHI RFA 0.0 0
Stevie Brown 27 NYG UFA 0.0 0
John Wendling 31 DET UFA 0.0 1
Will Allen 32 PIT UFA 0.0 548
Sergio Brown 26 IND RFA -0.1 26
Jeron Johnson 26 SEA RFA -0.2 29
Jordan Pugh 26 NO UFA -0.2 16
Chris Crocker 34 CIN UFA -0.3 516
Darrell Stuckey 25 SD UFA -0.5 94
Chris Maragos 27 SEA UFA -0.7 52
Darian Stewart 26 SL UFA -1.0 583
Jeromy Miles 27 BLT UFA -1.0 10
Mike C. Adams 33 DEN UFA -1.0 702
Matt Giordano 31 SL UFA -1.2 121
Yeremiah Bell 36 ARZ UFA -1.3 1098
Ryan Clark 34 PIT UFA -1.5 1085
Colt Anderson 28 PHI UFA -2.1 38
Michael Huff 31 DEN UFA -2.6 139
Nate Allen 26 PHI UFA -2.7 1126
Kendrick Lewis 28 KC UFA -2.8 1072
Antoine Bethea 30 IND UFA -2.9 1048
Roman Harper 31 NO CUT -3.2 374
Quintin Demps 29 KC UFA -4.4 655
Edward Reed 35 NYJ UFA -4.9 650
Craig Steltz 28 CHI UFA -5.7 123
Malcolm Jenkins 26 NO UFA -6.0 830
Jim Leonhard 31 BUF UFA -6.2 634
M.D. Jennings 26 GB RFA -6.5 809
Reed Doughty 31 WAS UFA -7.4 415
E.J. Biggers 27 WAS UFA -11.8 431
Major Wright 26 CHI UFA -27.4 949

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i can't believe whitner is only 29. it seems like he's been in the league forever.

I remember when the Bills drafted him (same year Saban took Jason Allen) and everyone said it was a reach and then they considered him a flop (and he was sorta). Now he's been to two straight PB's.

I would hate to see Clemons follow a similar path.

Fun fact/useless info: Player who holds NFL combine record for short shuttle time....anyone know?

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and they mentioned Aurthur Jones as a replacement for Starks. I just wanted more ints from Clemons.

Ravens released Vontae Leach today we should be taking a hard look at him.

John Kuhn and Greg Jones are also a FA.

David Johnson, Michael Robinson FA FB's.

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Make Clay the FB/H-back

Draft an elite TE...or if someone like Dennis Pita makes it to free agency...sign him.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> no offense but calling clemons our best safety
> last year is equivalent to winning a tallest
> midget contest.


LOL. That was good!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Make Clay the FB/H-back
>
> Draft an elite TE...or if someone like Dennis Pita
> makes it to free agency...sign him.


Pitta just resigned with Ravens 5 year 32 mil.

A FB and H-Back have to be able to run block. That's Clay's biggest weakness.

Clay is the new breed of TE. Hardly any of the top TE's can run block.

Jimmy Graham, Jordan Cameron, Gates, Gonzo. Not even Gronk.

It all depends on what sort of offense you are in. Some coaches want TE's primarily as blockers ala Bruce Arians.

I see no reason to think Clay will not get even better in his 4th year. He has a good shot to be one of the elite pass-catching TE's. He had the 9th most yards for TE's in 2013.

I also think Bill Lazor will fit the offense around the players as opposed to Sherman's way.

Our base package or most used package last year was 3 WR set, 1 TE, 1 RB.

Let's take advantage of (and build on) what we already have. Gibson will be back and was playing as well as any TE we could bring in.

Go to H-back and TE or 2 TE sets and he sits.

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Charles Clay 2013: 69/759/6

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Clay had a great year...nobody knew what he could do until this past year.


BTW grimes is 31 and at the top of his game.


You can be over 30 and still have game. We better resign grimes.


Need to resign either soliai or starks. I think both. But at least one of them.

The Dion Jordan trade rumors are unsettling. Miami trades up to take the 3rd pick and then are trying to trade Jordan after he was barely on the field his rookie year?

The goal for the Dolphins is to win. The franchise though doesn't have a clear vision of how to get there.

The franchise is rudderless: the front office is in shambles, the coaching staff is average at best, and the locker room is a mess.

I have been a fan since 1970, but it is difficult to stomach/accept the current state of affairs. Forget the glory days. While we may get a wild card berth every now and again, we won't see prolonged or steady success until we get the house in order.