Does anybody know the answer to the following?

Now that San Diego beat Denver ...

If we finish in a 3 way tie with Baltimore and San Diego all at 9-7

Who gets the tie breaker?

Is it us or baltimore?

From NFL.com

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1.If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2.If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs
1.Head-to-head, if applicable.
2.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3.Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4.Strength of victory.
5.Strength of schedule.
6.Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7.Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8.Best net points in conference games.
9.Best net points in all games.
10.Best net touchdowns in all games.
11.Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1.Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2.Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4.Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5.Strength of victory.
6.Strength of schedule.
7.Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8.Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9.Best net points in conference games.
10.Best net points in all games.
11.Best net touchdowns in all games.
12.Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

As of right now it's still...

#6 Baltimore
#7 Miami
#8 SD

for the tie-breaker since we already beat SD and Bal beat us.

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My understanding is that in a three-team tiebreaker, you eliminate the lowest team and then start over again with the two-team tiebreakers. San Diego would be eliminated from the three-way thanks to conference record (currently 4-6, compared to Miami's 6-3 and Baltimore's 6-4), and then Baltimore would take the head-to-head against Miami.

Or what eesti said.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2013 04:32AM by Thirteen.

in a 3 way tie with balty and sd we would get it based on conference record.

correction...if they all finish 9-7 balty's loss has to be to an afc team.

Miami win and a Baltimore loss vs the Lions and we take the #6 spot..for one week anyway.

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good point.

we need to win out and put pressure on the ravens.

beating NE gives the bengals something to play for the final week against the ravens.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> good point.
>
> we need to win out and put pressure on the
> ravens.
>
How do we put pressure on the Ravens? Send angry e-mails?

Seeds...

wildcard round (1 Den & 2 NE bye)

Assumptions....(Miami gets 6th seed)

#6 Miami @ #3 Cincy
#5 Chiefs @ #4 Colts

We would have to play in Cincy again where we won last time.

With a Miami win and a KC win that puts...

#6 Miami @ Denver
#5 Chiefs @ NE

If NE loses to Miami and Cincy ends up with the same record, they already beat NE and could take the #2 seed and swap with NE.

That would put us against the Pats in the WC round.

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Or if we lose to NE they could take the #1 seed from Denver.

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Like I said, that last minute Balt win over Pitt was crucial. I knew we were playing Pitt and could take care of that for ourselves but we had lost to Balt and needed someone, anyone, to beat them. But right now we only have 3 conf. losses to their 4. So if all things are equal and we get into a THREE WAY tie with them and the Chargers, we would win out based on conference record but if the Chargers drop out, we are toast.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> So if all things are equal and we get
> into a THREE WAY tie with them and the Chargers,
> we would win out based on conference record but if
> the Chargers drop out, we are toast.

See the note under "Three or More Clubs" from the tiebreaking procedure on nfl.com that SCPhinsFan posted earlier:

>Three or More Clubs
>
>(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other
>clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1
>of applicable two-club format.)

The three-way tiebreaker is applied "bottom-up" to eliminate teams from consideration. In the case of Miami, Baltimore, and San Diego finishing 9-7, San Diego would be eliminated based on conference record (6 AFC losses, which is more than either of the other two could wind up with), and then the procedure starts over with the two-team tiebreaker, which Baltimore would win head-to-head.

The NFL does it this way to hopefully avoid a situation in which one team would be seeded higher than another if they were the only two tied, but lower than another if they were in a three-way tie. If only Baltimore and Miami were tied at 9-7, Baltimore would obviously win the tiebreaker.

Well, crap. It looks like the NFL does the tiebreaking thing top-down now instead of bottom-up. I swear they used to try to eliminate lower teams first, but this note from the nfl.com site indicates otherwise:

"Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format."

So the conference record tiebreaker among Miami, Baltimore, and San Diego would give Miami the playoff spot, assuming Baltimore's additional loss is a conference one and not Detroit.

Well, thirteen (first welcome back long time no post), I read it differently.

I read Baltimore has 4 losses in the conference now and we have ONLY THREE! Hard to believe but true.

The way I read it was that if three teams are tied and

1) one of them have beaten the other two, that one goes to the playoffs

2) one of them has lost to both, that one is eliminated and THEN AND ONLY THEN does your San Diego is eliminated scenario take place.

but

3) if there is no "mini division" (meaning that the three teams did not play each other) then conference record rules.

4) San Diego and Balt never played each other right? Therefore, the next tie breaker is CONFERENCE RECORD since none of us are in the same division.

so.......

if all things remain the same and we don't lose ONE MORE conference game and thereby equalize our conference record, WE GO TO THE PLAYOFFS BASED ON BETTER CONFERENCE RECORD.

I did my own research...

Based on the below..

If we all finish 9-7...and baltimore's loss is to Detroit...then both Miami and Baltimore will finish with identical conference records of 8-4.
Then it will go to strength of Victory...then strength of schedule?

Does anybody know the formula for who has a greater strength of Victory? Us or Baltimore?

Stevie




Three or more teams
(Note: If two teams remain tied after the third step or other teams are eliminated, tiebreaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-team format.)
1. Apply division tiebreaker to eliminate all but the highest-ranked team in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tiebreaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two wild-card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one team has defeated each of the others or if one team has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss.

To answer the original question with some certainty.

If Miami, SD, and BAL all finish with the same record, then the tie would be broken based off conference record. This is because SD and BAL don't play each this season so you skip the step where you compare head to head records.

So if MIA and BAL lose this week, then you would go to best won-lost-tied in common games since the conference records would be a tie: SD 4-6 in AFC, BAL 6-4 in AFC, MIA 6-4 in AFC. SD would be eliminated in this scenario and it would come down to record in common games between Miami and Baltimore. BAL is 4-3 in common games and MIA is 4-1 in common games. MIA would have the higher winning percentage and make the playoffs. BAL has more common games because they play PIT, CIN, and CLE twice.

402, one of the two of us is wrong. LOL. Obviously. My statement that Miami would go is based on the fact that SD, Mia, and Balt all finished with identical records AND that Miami maintained it's one game conference lead over Balt. IF NOT, then Balt would go.

You are supposing that SD ends up with only a 4-6 Conf. Record and Balt and Mia tie witht 6-4 conf. records.

But you then say Miami would go based on higher percentage in common games. I don't think so. Whenever two teams are considered alone, no matter after how many calculations, then the tiebreaker REVERTS back TO HEAD TO HEAD.

Balt. beat us and that's the end of the story when only two teams are left to consider.

As I said, we don't go unless San Diego remains in the equation (assuming of course, we end up with the same record as the Ravens).

As long as San Diego remains in the equation and is not eliminated, we go to the playoffs based on a better conference record (AT LEAST AS IT STANDS NOW).

Chyren,

You r wrong.

In a three way tie...head to head is out.

If conference record is tied, they go by strength of victory and then by strength of schedule...

Just want to know if dolphins have the strength of victory and strength of schedule advantage over Baltimore.

Anybody??

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> 402, one of the two of us is wrong. LOL.
> Obviously. My statement that Miami would go is
> based on the fact that SD, Mia, and Balt all
> finished with identical records AND that Miami
> maintained it's one game conference lead over
> Balt. IF NOT, then Balt would go.
>
> You are supposing that SD ends up with only a 4-6
> Conf. Record and Balt and Mia tie witht 6-4 conf.
> records.
>
> But you then say Miami would go based on higher
> percentage in common games. I don't think so.
> Whenever two teams are considered alone, no matter
> after how many calculations, then the tiebreaker
> REVERTS back TO HEAD TO HEAD.
>
> Balt. beat us and that's the end of the story when
> only two teams are left to consider.
>
> As I said, we don't go unless San Diego remains in
> the equation (assuming of course, we end up with
> the same record as the Ravens).
>
> As long as San Diego remains in the equation and
> is not eliminated, we go to the playoffs based on
> a better conference record (AT LEAST AS IT STANDS
> NOW).


I only calculated what the conference records would look like if both BAL and MIA lost this weekend resulting in a three way tie at the end of week 15. I didn't take it all the way to the end of the season.

And once there is three team tie, you don't revert to head to head even if one team is eliminated. It's a step by step system that always climbs.

There a lot of scenarios left at this point but root against Baltimore and, obviously, root for Miami.

Well Detroit is at home fighting for playoffs themselves and took cheap shots from Baltimore's safety. Funny stuff. I do not think Baltimore is going to lose against NE or Cincy, however believe they will lose to Detroit, meaning we must win out.

Let's just concentrate on winning all 3 games. Rest will take care of itself.

Have to wait for Monday night to see if the Lions can pull one out over the Ravens.

In the hunt or Playoff teams....

Denver 11-3: @ Hou, Oak (13-3)
NE 10-4: @ Bal, Bills (12-4)
Cincy 9-4: @ Pit (tonight), Vikings, Jax (12-4)
Indy 9-5: @ KC, @ Jax (10-6)
KC 10-3 (leading by 11 over Oak): Indy, @ SD (12-4)
Bal 7-6: NE, @ Cincy 7-6, (7-9)

Mia: @ Buf, Jets (10-6)

Seeds...

#1 Denver
#2 Cincy
#3 NE
#4 Indy
#5 KC
#6 Mia

Wildcard round....

Mia @ NE
KC @ Indy

Or ????

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Next weekend, NE at Baltimore.
Do we root for NE to beat Baltimore and help us get the wildcard (ugh) or,
do we root for Baltimore to beat NE and help us win the division?
NE's final game is against Buffalo at home.
I guess it depends if Detroit beats Baltimore Monday night.
Of course we have to win our final two either way.

Only if BAL loses RT @Gbear_46: @AdamHBeasley Follow with me here: Pats lose out. Fins win out. Bengals lose two. Colts lose 1. Fins 2 seed?

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