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Re: kicker
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: December 03, 2013 02:23PM

Or it could be another nasty yeast infection.

Just saying...

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Re: kicker
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: December 05, 2013 12:08PM

Anemone1 Wrote:
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> Hindsight is 20:20. I don't think anybody on this
> board thought we should keep Carpenter after last
> season. Almost everyone on this board was giddy
> that we had Sturgis in the pre-season making
> Carpenter expendable. Carpenter did not have a
> very good preseason either if memory serves.

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Last season, Carpenter missed too many "key" kicks, and on top of that, his salary was too high for what he was delivering (or not delivering).

That's the problem with the NFL and the salary structure. A team would want to keep a player, but the salary is too high, so they have to let him go. But of course the team itself is the one who gave him that salary.

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Re: kicker
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: December 05, 2013 12:18PM

the Sturg looked like "em oh en e why" during preseason but then... coupled or cuddled with the Johnnie Martin yeastygate
Sturg has been diving -- and maybe not for clams.

Just saying...

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Re: kicker
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: December 05, 2013 12:25PM

Capt- you are right it is like in any job, salary is as much a blessing as it is a curse... If you are getting paid and not delivering based on your pay, your job quickly becomes expendable... I see it all the time, with people who have a great run, get the raises they were looking for, can't keep up the numbers and are the first to be let go....

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Re: kicker
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 06, 2013 01:07PM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Carpenter was making 2.7 million, Sturgis makes
> 500 grand and is a rookie.. Sturgis has fallen
> into a slump, but that pill is much easier to
> swallow when he makes the money he makes and is in
> his first year in the league... As well he has
> shown that he has a leg and can make big kicks...
> He just has to bring it all back together... If he
> can't we find someone else... But paying Carpenter
> that much money, when he already had time to get
> his act together, and lost us games, was not a
> good move either... Carpenter peaked and still
> missed kicks, Sturgis is yet to develop fully and
> most likely far from peaking...

Exactly right Crowder.

The move was about getting younger and cheaper with more upside.

Kickers are streaky, they have up and down years. If you bail on them every time the have a down year you will be changing kickers every other year.

To put things in perspective, Adam Vinatieri is widely considered one of the best, if not the best, kickers of this and and generation.

Go look up his numbers.

His rookie season is identical to what Sturgis is doing right now. In fact, Vinatieri had only ONE season in his first FIVE where he made kicks at a better clip than the 78% that Sturgis has made so far.

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Re: kicker
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: December 08, 2013 07:21AM

problem with sturgis is he seems to be affected mentally when he misses a kick, which leads to more misses. a bad sign for a kicker

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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Re: kicker
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 08, 2013 09:03AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> problem with sturgis is he seems to be affected
> mentally when he misses a kick, which leads to
> more misses. a bad sign for a kicker


I don't see it Berk.

First off, he's a rookie so he's going to have a learning curve, especially as a a kid coming from Florida who rarely, if ever, kicked in bad weather in the northeast in Nov & Dec.

But all that aside, just look at his stats:

He's missed 7 of 30 attempts. 3 of those misses were from 50+ and another was blocked by the Pats.

He's "missed" 3 out of 23 bankable FG's.

Where's the problem?

Where's the long streak of misses everytime he misses a kick?

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Re: kicker
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: December 08, 2013 07:13PM

He missed like 7 in a row after missing his first. And 50 yarders should be bankable in nfl

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Re: kicker
Posted by: phinsfan402 ()
Date: December 08, 2013 08:32PM

Well he has been inconsistent. The league average on 50+ this season is 66 percent, so not bankable. But, Sturgis is 50 percent. That is below average. Also, 61 fg between 30-49 yds have been missed all year. So, on average, every kicker has missed roughly two. Sturgis has missed three with one blocked. Again below average but not terrible.

However, kickers are volatile. He has a lot talent and could come back next season and miss only 1 or 2 on the season. Truth has a point about Sturgis not yet being comfortable with kicking in the cold weather since he rarely had to do so in college. I'd give him another year but his performance so far this season has been a bit disappointing.

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Re: kicker
Posted by: dolphin ()
Date: December 09, 2013 04:17AM

Sturgis will be fine.

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