1. Maybe this locker room wasn't as unified as we were led to believe.

2. Well, we've had two tries to show the country that we are an improved team- and both ended in embarrassing losses.

3. Ryan Tannehill was terrible except for a relatively short period in the third quarter. He just doesn't have the mental toughness good QB's need to have. I keep hearing what a great arm he has, but he again underthrew Wallace on that last interception. He does that a lot.

4. Last week, this line didn't pass block well, but really blocked well for the running game- this week, no run blocking (2 yards!) but good blocking for the passing game- until the end, when it counted.

5. Spotting your opponent 15 points is a good way to lose games. Also, terrible call in the end zone that resulted in the safety.

6. The first half was imminently forgettable- and we didn't get anything done offensively OR defensively in the fourth quarter. They should have stayed on the bus.

7. I would get on Phillip Wheeler for another horrendous game, but he had so much company- Charles Clay was terrible(at LEAST three dropped passes), as was Mike Wallace(again, several dropped passes), Ryan Tannehill(inaccurate most of the night), Marcus Thigpen (horrible decisions), John Jerry and Tyson Clabo(breakdowns at crucial times), the entire defensive line(little pressure on a rookie QB and getting run over all night), and many others.

8. On the other hand, Rishard Matthews really stepped up. Not too many plusses this week.

I'm disgusted. Good night.

Rick

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Rick

We STILL keep trying to make Tanny a traditional quarterback. When he had success early in the game moving out from behind center and making quick decisions, the announcers said, "He used to do that at Texas A & M."

Let the team implode, then next year buy an "O" line and WR's. Then we will be ok. We have the cap to do it. Just get a real GM in here

dolfan1 Wrote:
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> Let the team implode, then next year buy an "O"
> line and WR's. Then we will be ok. We have the cap
> to do it. Just get a real GM in here

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Whomever the GM is next year, he/she must:

(1) Get at least one, maybe two, STARTING OL thru FA or trade.

(2) Replace Wheeler with another STARTING MLB.

(3) Probably impossible, but try to trade Wallace. It just isn't working out in Miami.

Hey, maybe we can trade for Roethlisberger. I hear he's on the block.

Rick

Really? It's not like Pittsburgh is like the Bills in QB depth.

"Really? It's not like Pittsburgh is like the Bills in QB depth."

yeah.. I don't know why he would be on the block, but I'm given to understand that it is a serious proposal.

Rick

Well, then, turning to the merits of the issue, I have a problem that has me in turmoil.

I LIKE TANNEHILL if used properly but I'm convinced Philbin will not do that.

Philbin wants to use Tanny as a traditional pocket QB.

Roethlisberger IS a traditional pocket QB and a strong one at that.

So if Ben would be a far more effective QB FOR US THAT IS....Ben would be the round peg in the round hole.

So far Tanny is the square peg in the round hole.

IF TANNEHILL WAS IN SEATTLE OR SAN FRAN, HE WOULD BE THE SQUARE PEG IN THE SQUARE HOLE.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> We STILL keep trying to make Tanny a traditional
> quarterback. When he had success early in the
> game moving out from behind center and making
> quick decisions, the announcers said, "He used to
> do that at Texas A & M."


YES! You have been saying that for a while now and its the truth, last year watching him roll out and throw was a thing of beauty. Especially with this Oline they should be encouraging that more. Tannehill is still going to be great , but your not going to win the Daytona 500 just by buying a car. You need a driver. Sorry but Philbin needs to go. Some of the decisions, the substitutions, the play calling , its just insane. Not of it makes sense. The players that Ireland got him are talented , they are just ruefully unprepared. At this point Let tanny do his thing.........

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Tanny sucks... can we just go with that. had Wallace wide open on play action and threw it out of bounds, just horrible.

AND why on earth when we have something good going we just stop doing it? Matthews was a beast and they did not stop him, but our coaches did.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > dolfan1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Let the team implode, then next year buy an
> "O"
> > > line and WR's. Then we will be ok. We have
> the
> > cap
> > > to do it. Just get a real GM in here
> >
> > ******************************************
> >
> > Whomever the GM is next year, he/she must:
> >
> > (1) Get at least one, maybe two, STARTING OL
> thru
> > FA or trade.
> >
> > (2) Replace Wheeler with another STARTING MLB.
> >
> > (3) Probably impossible, but try to trade
> Wallace.
> > It just isn't working out in Miami.
>
>
> The one in bold.....Maybe he should get rid of
> tannehill instead. Wallace is wide open deep
> numerous times and tannehill just cant throw the
> long pass...\
>
> He was wide open a couple of times against the
> bucs deep and one time tannehill threw the ball
> out of bounds. He was so wide open wallace caught
> the ball out of bounds easy.....If that pass is on
> point then its a easy TD.
>
> Again maybe we should replace tannehill instead of
> wallace.

There were indeed SEVERAL opportunities Monday night for him to make game changing plays and he just didn't. I hoped we had our guy with Tannehill but it's looking more and more like your probably right. If this year ends and there is STILL no marked improvement in Pocket presence, knowing when to get rid of the ball, deep accuracy and leadership he's done here IMO. ESPECIALLY if there is a regime change. Like they used to say about David Woodley: "He's not a great QB playing QB, he is a great athlete playing QB"

He might be more accurate on the run than standing still...


He has already shown he is really accurate on the run and has made quite a few nice throws on the run.

KB Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > captkoi Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > dolfan1 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Let the team implode, then next year buy an
> > "O"
> > > > line and WR's. Then we will be ok. We have
> > the
> > > cap
> > > > to do it. Just get a real GM in here
> > >
> > > ******************************************
> > >
> > > Whomever the GM is next year, he/she must:
> > >
> > > (1) Get at least one, maybe two, STARTING OL
> > thru
> > > FA or trade.
> > >
> > > (2) Replace Wheeler with another STARTING
> MLB.
> > >
> > > (3) Probably impossible, but try to trade
> > Wallace.
> > > It just isn't working out in Miami.
> >
> >
> > The one in bold.....Maybe he should get rid of
> > tannehill instead. Wallace is wide open deep
> > numerous times and tannehill just cant throw
> the
> > long pass...\
> >
> > He was wide open a couple of times against the
> > bucs deep and one time tannehill threw the ball
> > out of bounds. He was so wide open wallace
> caught
> > the ball out of bounds easy.....If that pass is
> on
> > point then its a easy TD.
> >
> > Again maybe we should replace tannehill instead
> of
> > wallace.
>
> There were indeed SEVERAL opportunities Monday
> night for him to make game changing plays and he
> just didn't. I hoped we had our guy with
> Tannehill but it's looking more and more like your
> probably right. If this year ends and there is
> STILL no marked improvement in Pocket presence,
> knowing when to get rid of the ball, deep accuracy
> and leadership he's done here IMO. ESPECIALLY if
> there is a regime change. Like they used to say
> about David Woodley: "He's not a great QB playing
> QB, he is a great athlete playing QB"

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You will get no argument from me that RT has missed Wallace on some of those downfield passes (ala vs T, but...

Wallace has dropped far too many balls this year. As I said before, it seems unless the ball hits him right square in the chest or hands, he can't catch it. He also doesn't fight for balls (ala vs T. He is depending on his speed, and that's it.

Do I blame Wallace? No, because the whole league is aware that the deep ball is Wallace's game, with a few short routes thrown in there for good measure.

I am suggesting trying to trade Wallace based only on his contract. Miami isn't getting what they paid for. Get another guy with good speed and Miami would probably get better all-around production from him.

That is just a suggestion, where I know it can't happen, again because of that contract.

Hopefully, if Miami can (somehow) shore up that OL for next season, RT will have a little more time where he and Wallace can start clicking on a high percentage of downfield passes.

captkoi Wrote:
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> I am suggesting trying to trade Wallace based only
> on his contract. Miami isn't getting what they
> paid for. Get another guy with good speed and
> Miami would probably get better all-around
> production from him.

I say just start targeting Hartline more.

Even Nat Moore started getting passes when teamed up with Paul Warfield.

When they started getting sick of Nat Moore continually getting completions for small yardages, they begin to let up on Warfield and that did the trick.

But as long as we keep throwing exclusively to Wallace hoping for the deep ball and to "get our investment back", it ain't gonna happen. And plus, I agree his hands are no better than Brandon Marshall's, probably worse from what I can see.

But then again it's that idiot coach Philbin who does not have the brains to lighten up the coverage on Wallace WHILE AT THE SAME TIME making big yardage by "wearing them out" with Hartline until they are so sick of them, they let up on Wallace. That's how Brady used Welker.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Even Nat Moore started getting passes when teamed
> up with Paul Warfield.
>
>

Chyren I believe you mean when he was teamed up with the Marks Brothers, not Paul Warfield as Warfield's last year with the PHins was the year before Moore was drafted.

But the point is correct: Duper & Clayton drew double coverage leaving Nat Moore open….while most receivers' numbers dwindle in their final years, Nat's final few seasons with Duper and Clayton were some of his best.

2 yards rushing against an 0-8 team. Tannehill is the least of our concerns. I just wonder if a high school offensive line would fair that much worse than the collection of stiffs that are masquerading as an offensive line in Miami. They might be one of the worst offensive lines in NFL history.

Fins72 Wrote:
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> 2 yards rushing against an 0-8 team. Tannehill is
> the least of our concerns. I just wonder if a high
> school offensive line would fair that much worse
> than the collection of stiffs that are
> masquerading as an offensive line in Miami. They
> might be one of the worst offensive lines in NFL
> history.

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Well, with the recent injury to Yeatman, our OL is now totally in shambles. Philbin may as well bring all of them on to the active roster and see who can play.

Fins72 Wrote:
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> 2 yards rushing against an 0-8 team. Tannehill is
> the least of our concerns. I just wonder if a high
> school offensive line would fair that much worse
> than the collection of stiffs that are
> masquerading as an offensive line in Miami. They
> might be one of the worst offensive lines in NFL
> history.


Another way to look at it............and it makes sense....no qb would be successfull with the current dolphins Oline and running gAME.

Just my 0.02 but I have always said that Hartline is underrated. The guy makes some incredible catches and rarely drops a ball.

That makes one of my "8 points"; you need consistent production from players. Once you have that, you know your strengths and weaknesses and what works and what doesn't. You also reveal where you need to get help via player replacement/aquisition. If you don't have consistency at each position, you can't develop effective game plans because there are eleven guys out there and you don't know which will be the broken link on the next play... The chances are low you can maintain any kind of a drive... Example: Ball is snapped, blocking holds up, no flags, Tanny has time, Wallace is open...... Throw is off and lands out of bounds.

If everyone is consistent, you know what each player can and cannot handle and you can adapt accordingly. You can develop an effective game plan.