This team is just truly freaking amazing. 140 million dollars of worthless crap and no heart at all. That being said the players are what they are and no fault of their own. The problem here is simple, get rid of Ireland, Philbin and sherman. They are the ones that said this team had talent not the damn players. Hell i cant play football, but if philbin thought i could and paid me 5 million it wouldnt be my fault. Ross are you able to read any of these threads? this is your team get some balls and fire this group of clowns and get someone in here that can evaluate talent and get this team on the right track. Do i hear Chucky salivating in the distance?????

Reality is no decent coach wants anything to do with this franchise without a major overhaul

Another coaching change would be a monumental mistake. Be frustrated all you want, vent, bitch, whine, moan and complain as well. I'm right there with you. But, unless you desire the reality of being a bad team even longer than we've already had to be...don't change the coaches again. Immediate results won't happen.

This team got worse with each coaching change post Shula...right up until now, when we have actually seen some improvement overall. Its no accident teams that have a revolving door of coaches are very bad teams.

Now is not the time to start over and throw out the baby with the bath water.

Ken Wrote:
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> Another coaching change would be a monumental
> mistake. Be frustrated all you want, vent, bitch,
> whine, moan and complain as well. I'm right there
> with you. But, unless you desire the reality of
> being a bad team even longer than we've already
> had to be...don't change the coaches again.
> Immediate results won't happen.
>
> This team got worse with each coaching change post
> Shula...right up until now, when we have actually
> seen some improvement overall. Its no accident
> teams that have a revolving door of coaches are
> very bad teams.
>
> Now is not the time to start over and throw out
> the baby with the bath water.


Sure it does... Look at the Chiefs, bills, bears, San Diego... All doing terrible after a coaching change. Good point.

Look at the history of the league...changing your coaching frequently results in bad teams.

The teams you mentioned all had talented key parts of thier rosters in place already and have the benefit of favorable schedules.

There is also a very big difference between making a change once or twice and making a change every two or three years for over a decade like we have.

Ken Wrote:
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> Look at the history of the league...changing your
> coaching frequently results in bad teams.
>
> The teams you mentioned all had talented key parts
> of thier rosters in place already and have the
> benefit of favorable schedules.
>
> There is also a very big difference between making
> a change once or twice and making a change every
> two or three years for over a decade like we have.


Change coaches now and we become the raiders.

This team isn't bad, but they need some more new players. It's still a young team. Plus you need to buy off the refs. That's the real key

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look at the history of the league...changing
> your
> > coaching frequently results in bad teams.
> >
> > The teams you mentioned all had talented key
> parts
> > of thier rosters in place already and have the
> > benefit of favorable schedules.
> >
> > There is also a very big difference between
> making
> > a change once or twice and making a change
> every
> > two or three years for over a decade like we
> have.
>
>
> Change coaches now and we become the raiders.

In 13 min us and the raiders will have the same record. Exactly how are we better than them at this point?

KB Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ken Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Look at the history of the league...changing
> > your
> > > coaching frequently results in bad teams.
> > >
> > > The teams you mentioned all had talented key
> > parts
> > > of thier rosters in place already and have
> the
> > > benefit of favorable schedules.
> > >
> > > There is also a very big difference between
> > making
> > > a change once or twice and making a change
> > every
> > > two or three years for over a decade like we
> > have.
> >
> >
> > Change coaches now and we become the raiders.
>
> In 13 min us and the raiders will have the same
> record. Exactly how are we better than them at
> this point?

I wasn't referring to today's record.

The Raiders under Al Davis were a JOKE the last 15 years because he changed coaches like most people change socks.

If you fire Philbin 2 years into his career, on the heels the Sparano, Cameron, and Saban debacles you are entering Raider territory as a franchise.

The reason that is a BAD thing is you won't get a good coach or hot assistant to even SNIFF your job because the league will rightfully view you as an unstable franchise.

Pay off the ref's. That's how bellacheat does it

>
> I wasn't referring to today's record.
>
> The Raiders under Al Davis were a JOKE the last 15
> years because he changed coaches like most people
> change socks.
>
> If you fire Philbin 2 years into his career, on
> the heels the Sparano, Cameron, and Saban debacles
> you are entering Raider territory as a franchise.
>
> The reason that is a BAD thing is you won't get a
> good coach or hot assistant to even SNIFF your job
> because the league will rightfully view you as an
> unstable franchise.

That's crap. Any NFL team is a premier team to coach. Some have greater legacies than others. Miami certainly is one of them.

The reason Miami doesn't have premier coaches is because the ownership won't give the people who need it the control to draft or acquire who they need. Couple that with a lucrative contract and you could almost assure having any coach or GM you want. The truth is Ross is a douche and he's cheap so no one wants to come.

Unless he changes his ways, which is unlikely, Miami will not have a successful coach or GM, and conversely a piss poor team. Watching what's transgressed over the last decade has plainly exhibited that.

This is not the stock market. There is no greater predictor of future performance then that of past performance. The catalyst is coaching and growth, both of which Miami lacks.

KB Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ken Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Look at the history of the league...changing
> > your
> > > coaching frequently results in bad teams.
> > >
> > > The teams you mentioned all had talented key
> > parts
> > > of thier rosters in place already and have
> the
> > > benefit of favorable schedules.
> > >
> > > There is also a very big difference between
> > making
> > > a change once or twice and making a change
> > every
> > > two or three years for over a decade like we
> > have.
> >
> >
> > Change coaches now and we become the raiders.
>
> In 13 min us and the raiders will have the same
> record. Exactly how are we better than them at
> this point?


RE: Well because our team from an objective talent standpoint is much better than they are. The thing people all want to look at is the record and there certainly is merit to that. But, that only tells part of the story. There are many reasons for a poor record...beyond the overly simplistic, they are a bad team.

Just like there are many reasons for a good record beyond the team being good. The last time we won 11 games and won the division we were not a good team...circumstances assisted us and we were revealed the next season. In that case being a good team was simply an illusion.

And before you ask, I'd rather have the 11-5 record over what we have today...but I'd also rather have the team we have now to do it.

Ihatebrady Wrote:
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> >
> > I wasn't referring to today's record.
> >
> > The Raiders under Al Davis were a JOKE the last
> 15
> > years because he changed coaches like most
> people
> > change socks.
> >
> > If you fire Philbin 2 years into his career, on
> > the heels the Sparano, Cameron, and Saban
> debacles
> > you are entering Raider territory as a
> franchise.
> >
> > The reason that is a BAD thing is you won't get
> a
> > good coach or hot assistant to even SNIFF your
> job
> > because the league will rightfully view you as
> an
> > unstable franchise.
>
> That's crap. Any NFL team is a premier team to
> coach. Some have greater legacies than others.
> Miami certainly is one of them.
>
> The reason Miami doesn't have premier coaches is
> because the ownership won't give the people who
> need it the control to draft or acquire who they
> need. Couple that with a lucrative contract and
> you could almost assure having any coach or GM you
> want. The truth is Ross is a douche and he's
> cheap so no one wants to come.
>
> Unless he changes his ways, which is unlikely,
> Miami will not have a successful coach or GM, and
> conversely a piss poor team. Watching what's
> transgressed over the last decade has plainly
> exhibited that.
>
> This is not the stock market. There is no greater
> predictor of future performance then that of past
> performance. The catalyst is coaching and growth,
> both of which Miami lacks.

Its not crap.

Its a fact.

If you keep getting rid of coaches before they get a fair shot to get their systems installed you won't get the elite guys to replace them they will take OTHER jobs because they will be better/safer opportunities.

It is crap. It's philosophy and speculative. No hard facts in it. There's enough evidence to support new coaches bring success with new schemes as there is evidence that they faulter.

So for arguments sake, what's the worse that could happen? New coach? Team falls flat, give up leads, don't close the gap on nfl leaders? Oh sounds familiar to what's going on now.

Truthfully I'd say one more year for philbin and co, but that's it. 3 years is plenty long enough to get your shit together. If you decline year over year, or have no growth, then it's time to move on. Consider the average life span of nfl players is just over 4 years, many rosters are over 50% turned over in 3-4 years anyways.

Ihatebrady Wrote:
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> It is crap. It's philosophy and speculative. No
> hard facts in it. There's enough evidence to
> support new coaches bring success with new schemes
> as there is evidence that they faulter.



I'm not debating whether or not a new coach would or wouldn't be successful.

What I'm saying is that if you keep firing head coaches before they get a fair shot, you will quickly find that the best head coaching candidates don't want to work for you. They will take other jobs because your franchise will get a reputation for being unstable.

They won't be inclined to risk what could be their one shot at a HC gig on a franchise/owner with an itchy trigger finger.

The proof of that is what unfolded with the Raiders towards the end of the Al Davis era.




>
> So for arguments sake, what's the worse that could
> happen? New coach? Team falls flat, give up
> leads, don't close the gap on nfl leaders? Oh
> sounds familiar to what's going on now.


The worst that could happen is you become the Raiders of the past 15 years. You shuffle trough a new HC every 2 or 3 years and the best candidates don't take your phone calls when you have an opening because ANY job offer is a BETTER job offer.


>
> Truthfully I'd say one more year for philbin and
> co, but that's it. 3 years is plenty long enough
> to get your shit together. If you decline year
> over year, or have no growth, then it's time to
> move on. Consider the average life span of nfl
> players is just over 4 years, many rosters are
> over 50% turned over in 3-4 years anyways.

I agree with that.

After year three you will know what you have in Philbin. If he's not the goods then he has to go.

But if you fire him now, in or after year two, you make it harder to get elite candidates to take this job because you come off as reactionary and unstable...like the Al Davis Raiders.

The problem is that the only thing worse than getting rid of coaches is sticking with bad ones.

Under that reasoning then maybe going back from Sparano backwards to Wanny, we should have kept them.

Logically it makes no sense to say that even if you are dissatisfied, you should not try to change for fear of getting no one or getting worse.

That's a prescription for being locked into bad coaching just for fear you won't get anyone else.

This is Philbin's FIRST HEAD COACHING JOB so what would be so bad with getting another assistant coach from another team in the NFL who might not be so stubborn.

But I have to give it to Philbin for having the good sense to insert McKinnie in the line-up immediately.

The way I see it, Miami was up 17-3 and it should've been a bigger lead than that. Miami was dominating on the field; it was beautiful to see Brady sitting on the bench for most of the first half. What happened? NE made adjustments on offense and defense and Miami just fell apart. This was terrible... I was hoping for a blow-out and Miami got out-coached again. I won't say out-played, because the first half proved that Miami could easily beat the Pats.

This coaching staff has just shown that they have the talent on the roster to stomp NE. What they haven't shown is the ability to adjust to what the opponent is doing. This will not change, so it's time to change coaches.

And, Philbin deserves NO credit for starting McKinnie immediately. He should have got McKinnie (or someone else) weeks ago when everyone knew there was a problem. He was probably ordered to play him. Actually, when blocking was seen to be a major issue, Philbin's first response should have been to change the offense and blocking schemes to see if he could fix the problem quickly.



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I fully expect to see a complete and total ass whipping handed to the Dolphins by Cincy. Turnovers and lack of adjustments are killing this team.

808phan Wrote:
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> I fully expect to see a complete and total ass
> whipping handed to the Dolphins by Cincy.
> Turnovers and lack of adjustments are killing this
> team.


Like I said in am early post, hope they do lose this game and the rest of the yer as its over for us already. Go for draft pics and buy some more talent as we have the bucks (cap)

even if they lose all the rest of the games it has been proven Ireland cant pick the correct 1st rounder.

If Philbin doesn't know this one simple fact then he is not worth the time......

You must have two different game plans when you play the Patriots. One for the first half and one for the second.

Belichick is the best in the business at halftime adjustments.

You need to have a good enough game plan for the first half to catch them off guard and put some points on the board. Check.

You need to have a completely different second half plan because BB will figure out what you did and use it against you.

You cannot be predictable if you want to beat the Patriots. Bad coaching yesterday! Problem is we don't even have a coordinater who would be a good interim HC.

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Ken Wrote:
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> Look at the history of the league...changing your
> coaching frequently results in bad teams.
>
> The teams you mentioned all had talented key parts
> of thier rosters in place already and have the
> benefit of favorable schedules.
>
> There is also a very big difference between making
> a change once or twice and making a change every
> two or three years for over a decade like we have.

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I'm only going to point to one team as an example to prove your point, Ken...the Chiefs.

Andy went in there and about the only serious change he made was getting Alex Smith. The Chiefs already had plenty of talent (6 Pro bowlers?).

If a team has good players but poor coaches, then bringing in new coaches will probably make a difference. In Miami's case, although we don't have a bunch of Pro bowlers, there would, IMO, be a major improvement.

However, it would have to be the same formula as Andy Reid's...keep the team pretty much intact, but add a few key pieces here and there.

Any new coach that went to Miami would have to mainly deal with the offensive line. Get them straight and this team will improve.

dolphin Wrote:
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> even if they lose all the rest of the games it has
> been proven Ireland cant pick the correct 1st
> rounder.

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Hard to say, dolphin. Jordan isn't on the field that often. Are the coaches still protecting his shoulder? Is Jordan a liability in certain areas?

My thinking? Ireland traded up to the 3rd slot to get Jordan....PLAY THE MAN!!!

dolphin Wrote:
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> even if they lose all the rest of the games it has
> been proven Ireland cant pick the correct 1st
> rounder.


PRECISELY!!!!!