Big Ben was the most successful rookie QB ever, going 13-0 in the regular season! He also won a playoff game. Then he won a SB the following year.

That is correct and the steelers kept Ben on a tight rope that year to. Ben did not 'explode' until his 4th year in the nfl. Compare his numbers from year 1 to 3 to his 4th year and you can see the difference.

I could care less about Tanny's stats. I just want him to WIN!

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> "Bob was a QB that could not take the team on his
> shoulder" If you had ever seen him play, you would
> not make so breathtakingly misinformed a
> statement. Griese was around long after Csonka and
> Morris left, and engineered many more wins with a
> much weaker supporting cast. He was the consumate
> "field general" QB that all HOF QB's were in those
> days. Plus, he was supremely accurate.


He also called his own plays. Something completely unheard of these days. Bob Griese called the offensive plays, there were no helmet radios, they didn't send in plays via a substitution or even hand signals. He most certainly took the team on his shoulders, very successfully.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> It took Drew Brees 3 years to develop and he did
> not battle Flutie. Chargers gave him the starting
> job in 2002 and rightfully replace him in 2003
> when Bree had them at 1-7. Bottom line it took 3
> years for Brees to develop and his carrer took off
> in year 4.
>
> Took Ben R several years in Pittsburgh
>
> A Rodgers had 3 years to develop behind Favre.
>
> We did not invest first rnd picks in Henne, Feeley
> or Fiedler.

??? There was clamoring from the fans for \Flutie all through Brees' rookie season and Flutie replaced Brees a few games in to his second season ????

As others have stated Rothlesberger was OBVIOUSLY (stat wise and otherwise) a franchise QB from his first year. As far as Rodgers, Brady and others who sat BEHIND ESTABLISHED TOP TIER STARTERS a few years...that is a moot point, once they got their chance they showed what they had and it didn't take 3-4 years. I want us to win or at least compete...I don't care WHO the QB is i'm just sick of the excuses...blah blah bla Offensive line...blah blah blah...no running game...blah blah blah...coaches...blah blah blah...drops drops drops...blah blah blah...give the 'kid' time...ugh.



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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Bob was a QB that could not take the team on
> his
> > shoulder" If you had ever seen him play, you
> would
> > not make so breathtakingly misinformed a
> > statement. Griese was around long after Csonka
> and
> > Morris left, and engineered many more wins with
> a
> > much weaker supporting cast. He was the
> consumate
> > "field general" QB that all HOF QB's were in
> those
> > days. Plus, he was supremely accurate.
>
> Don't agree with you often, Rick but you are spot
> on on this. I also have my first hand
> observations of his senior year in college to
> verify what you say in addition to the fact that
> Shula had so much confidence in him (and that's
> saying something) that during the perfect season,
> Griese was out for the overwhelming majority of
> the games having been injured early. The
> substitute was Earl Morrall who had played for
> Baltimore before, the team Shula came from.
> Griese only gets healthy AS OF SUPERBOWL DAY, even
> I was saying "Don't screw things up, let Morrall
> play the SuperBowl" but in one of the most
> noteworthy decisions in Sports History, Shula let
> Griese start his ONLY GAME SINCE BEING INJURED IN
> ABOUT THE FIRST FEW WEEKS OF THE SEASON.
>
> Either Griese was more than just a caretaker or
> Shula was insane. Of course, we won.

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Correction, Chyren - Griese relieved Morrall during the playoff game against Pitt, then started the Super Bowl.

Glad you agree with me on this. And we are RIGHT. Sounds like MOST of the posters on this site agree.

Rick



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"He locks on the receivers before the snap"
"One example from yesterday. before the snap he decided to throw to Matthews on a little curl. The defender wsa on him another one read his eyes and almost jumped the route, incomplete. Meanwhile Wallace ran a 7 yard streak and turned around, his defender kept going, Wallace was wide open, but Tannehill had already decided where he was going to throw it."

Even with all the things I don't like about T-hill, I don't agree with this. He did this last year, but it seems he's much better at it this year. Even though he seldom has time to make all his reads, if you watch his head he looks at as many as he can. I think its one reason he holds the ball too long, he takes too long to check his options. As for the pass mentioned, it was a quick pass and by the time Wallace was open, the ball was gone. Maybe T-hill shouldn't have been so uncharacteristically quick on this one.

Rick