Some have suggested that it is not Philbin to blame but Ireland for not getting the right players. It is said by them that Philbin can only coach the players he is given.

While that argument has a surface attractiveness, it does not stand the test of close scrutiny.

First let me get in that there has been no harsher critic of Ireland on this board than myself. I may have even coined the phrase "Fireland". And it was recently reminded how I flipped out about the precise manner in which Ireland chose to inform Vontae Davis that he was being traded.

However, although it is true that Philbin can only coach the talent he is given, outside of the linemen, defensive and offensive, there is an different answer when it comes to the specialty guys, QB, WR, TE, RBs.

When it comes to them, it is the COACH that has to utilize the UNIQUE talent of these guys.

You can't use Reggie Bush like he's Larry Csonka.

You can't have Tanny in the pocket when he appears to be a very effective roll out guy whereas when he is in the pocket, he tends to get sacked or throw passes with the timing and direction slightly off.

Just sayin'. As much as I would like to blame Ireland, it is the coach who has to UTILIZE THE TALENT HE HAS IN THE MANNER MOST APPROPRIATE TO UTILIZE THAT TALENT.

That is on the coach, not on the general manager.

Moot point because their fates are tied together now, one fails they both fail.......might as well make them a power couple, how about "Ireblin" or "Philand".......gotaa a nice ring to it.

"You can't use Reggie Bush like he's Larry Csonka."

True, but he was a lot closer than Thomas has been so far. Still, he was fundamentally mis-used - even though he claimed that that was what he wanted. A coach is supposed to know how best to use a player, regardless of what the player wants.

"You can't have Tanny in the pocket when he appears to be a very effective roll out guy whereas when he is in the pocket, he tends to get sacked or throw passes with the timing and direction slightly off."

He is certainly an effective passer when on the run, but we don't want to get him killed either. It's not very safe in that pocket, though.

Rick

Ireland hired Philbin.

Ireland is of the Biggie T tree.

Biggie T annointed Baby T as HC.

Baby T is now out of the N F L

Is shit falls off a tree in the forest

do the Miami Dolphin fans smell egg on their face?

I like Philand.

I smell egg.

Uh oh...egg fart....

I think the whole thing is moot because we have a 1/2 ass O-line.

The one area we chose to not address in FA nor the draft and is killing us.

- A little more time ... we are hitting the long pass using the speed we bought at WR

- Run blocking and we have a run game and play action option

Everyone has said it ... but no one has responded to the O-Line talent gap ... its hurting the whole offense

phinjim even before the season started i said the OLINE s going to make us look bad.

Due to the strength of our remaining schedule, I think Ireland will get at least one more off-season to fix the obvious holes on this team......unless they have a total colapse, which case, clean house!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Some have suggested that it is not Philbin to
> blame but Ireland for not getting the right
> players. It is said by them that Philbin can only
> coach the players he is given.
>
> While that argument has a surface attractiveness,
> it does not stand the test of close scrutiny.
>
> First let me get in that there has been no harsher
> critic of Ireland on this board than myself. I
> may have even coined the phrase "Fireland". And
> it was recently reminded how I flipped out about
> the precise manner in which Ireland chose to
> inform Vontae Davis that he was being traded.
>
> However, although it is true that Philbin can only
> coach the talent he is given, outside of the
> linemen, defensive and offensive, there is an
> different answer when it comes to the specialty
> guys, QB, WR, TE, RBs.
>
> When it comes to them, it is the COACH that has to
> utilize the UNIQUE talent of these guys.
>
> You can't use Reggie Bush like he's Larry Csonka.
>
> You can't have Tanny in the pocket when he appears
> to be a very effective roll out guy whereas when
> he is in the pocket, he tends to get sacked or
> throw passes with the timing and direction
> slightly off.
>
> Just sayin'. As much as I would like to blame
> Ireland, it is the coach who has to UTILIZE THE
> TALENT HE HAS IN THE MANNER MOST APPROPRIATE TO
> UTILIZE THAT TALENT.
>
> That is on the coach, not on the general manager.

I never saw Philbin using Reggie as a fullback (Csonka) or even in short yardage. Daniel Thomas was mostly used in short yardage and we rarely use a FB at all. You can argue that Philbin was not as inventive and creative in the use of Bush but he was still pretty successful as a half back in Miami on a limited offensive line. Big plays, around 1000 yards two years in a row. He should have been used more in the passing game. Especially since we had no legit weapons at WR.

That being said, we can try and compare Reggie in Miami to Reggie in Detroit but it's not really a true side by side comparison.

Detroit has a veteran QB, a very good line and THE best WR in the league. Add in a first round TE and it's a different scenario.

Miami had a very inexperinced rookie QB, a mediocre line and 1 decent WR with ZERO deep threats.

As far as the roll out scenario.....In the pocket is where you want your QB IMO. Tannehill, even though a decent WR in college is not much of a runner or all that athletic. He is not going to make anyone miss like RG3, Newton or Russell Wilson. Rolling him out a few times a game is ok but you can only do that so much. It should never be a staple of your offense and I have never seen it be one for any team.

I believe there is enough blame AND compliments to go around.

Neither Ireland or Philbin has been even close to perfection. Ireland has shown tendencies to ignore positons of need in the past (WR in 2012) as well as let talent walk. He has missed in the draft as all GM's do but he has also hit on players. If our 3rd round pick had panned out as some of the other 3rd round OG's we may not even be talking about this right now. Larry Warford (3rd round pick for Detroit) has helped his o-line tremendously.

Had we drafted Warford instead of Will Davis and traded a 2014 2nd round pick for Albert, we would have seen a very different team this year. Probably close to dominant. It's not like we have seen any impact from our two 2nd round CB's. We may next year but the jury is still way out.

Philbin has been reluctant to make changes even when players outright sucked. He refuses to make any moves when our tackles have given up 6 sacks APIECE through 5 games! The stubbornness and inability to adapt may be his downfall if he has one.

He is insistent on turning the Dolphins into his version of the Packers...(ala no running game). The problem is that they have been running the WCO in GB for many years as well as a zone blocking scheme. We are just starting out.

I know you talk about the skill positions but I really can't complain too much about our QB, RB or WR's. Fix the line and those guys play much better. They affect everything.

Tannehill (and JP) has directed us to a 3-2 record when most predicted we would be 1-4. get the line to block and the WR's have time to run a deeper route and RT has time to throw.

IT's like blaming the tires on your car for not spinning fast enough when you have a lawnmower engine under the hood.

We surely cannot complain about the TE position. Clay has been great this year and imagine what we ould look like with Clay and Keller in the lineup.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Tannehill just cannot throw the deep ball with any touch. Watch the highlights of other QB's the WR runs under the ball for a TD. Wallace has to stop and wait for the ball to get there.

That's what happens when you can't step into your throw because defensive lineman are in your face.

There is a big difference between "can't" and "hasn't yet"...WEEK 6 coming up.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

eesti Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some have suggested that it is not Philbin to
> > blame but Ireland for not getting the right
> > players. It is said by them that Philbin can
> only
> > coach the players he is given.
> >
> > While that argument has a surface
> attractiveness,
> > it does not stand the test of close scrutiny.
> >
> > First let me get in that there has been no
> harsher
> > critic of Ireland on this board than myself. I
> > may have even coined the phrase "Fireland".
> And
> > it was recently reminded how I flipped out
> about
> > the precise manner in which Ireland chose to
> > inform Vontae Davis that he was being traded.
> >
> > However, although it is true that Philbin can
> only
> > coach the talent he is given, outside of the
> > linemen, defensive and offensive, there is an
> > different answer when it comes to the specialty
> > guys, QB, WR, TE, RBs.
> >
> > When it comes to them, it is the COACH that has
> to
> > utilize the UNIQUE talent of these guys.
> >
> > You can't use Reggie Bush like he's Larry
> Csonka.
> >
> > You can't have Tanny in the pocket when he
> appears
> > to be a very effective roll out guy whereas
> when
> > he is in the pocket, he tends to get sacked or
> > throw passes with the timing and direction
> > slightly off.
> >
> > Just sayin'. As much as I would like to blame
> > Ireland, it is the coach who has to UTILIZE THE
> > TALENT HE HAS IN THE MANNER MOST APPROPRIATE TO
> > UTILIZE THAT TALENT.
> >
> > That is on the coach, not on the general
> manager.
>
> I never saw Philbin using Reggie as a fullback
> (Csonka) or even in short yardage. Daniel Thomas
> was mostly used in short yardage and we rarely use
> a FB at all. You can argue that Philbin was not as
> inventive and creative in the use of Bush but he
> was still pretty successful as a half back in
> Miami on a limited offensive line. Big plays,
> around 1000 yards two years in a row. He should
> have been used more in the passing game.
> Especially since we had no legit weapons at WR.
>
> That being said, we can try and compare Reggie in
> Miami to Reggie in Detroit but it's not really a
> true side by side comparison.
>
> Detroit has a veteran QB, a very good line and THE
> best WR in the league. Add in a first round TE and
> it's a different scenario.
>
> Miami had a very inexperinced rookie QB, a
> mediocre line and 1 decent WR with ZERO deep
> threats.
>
> As far as the roll out scenario.....In the pocket
> is where you want your QB IMO. Tannehill, even
> though a decent WR in college is not much of a
> runner or all that athletic. He is not going to
> make anyone miss like RG3, Newton or Russell
> Wilson. Rolling him out a few times a game is ok
> but you can only do that so much. It should never
> be a staple of your offense and I have never seen
> it be one for any team.
>
> I believe there is enough blame AND compliments to
> go around.
>
> Neither Ireland or Philbin has been even close to
> perfection. Ireland has shown tendencies to ignore
> positons of need in the past (WR in 2012) as well
> as let talent walk. He has missed in the draft as
> all GM's do but he has also hit on players. If our
> 3rd round pick had panned out as some of the other
> 3rd round OG's we may not even be talking about
> this right now. Larry Warford (3rd round pick for
> Detroit) has helped his o-line tremendously.
>
> Had we drafted Warford instead of Will Davis and
> traded a 2014 2nd round pick for Albert, we would
> have seen a very different team this year.
> Probably close to dominant. It's not like we have
> seen any impact from our two 2nd round CB's. We
> may next year but the jury is still way out.
>
> Philbin has been reluctant to make changes even
> when players outright sucked. He refuses to make
> any moves when our tackles have given up 6 sacks
> APIECE through 5 games! The stubbornness and
> inability to adapt may be his downfall if he has
> one.
>
> He is insistent on turning the Dolphins into his
> version of the Packers...(ala no running game).
> The problem is that they have been running the WCO
> in GB for many years as well as a zone blocking
> scheme. We are just starting out.
>
> I know you talk about the skill positions but I
> really can't complain too much about our QB, RB or
> WR's. Fix the line and those guys play much
> better. They affect everything.
>
> Tannehill (and JP) has directed us to a 3-2 record
> when most predicted we would be 1-4. get the line
> to block and the WR's have time to run a deeper
> route and RT has time to throw.
>
> IT's like blaming the tires on your car for not
> spinning fast enough when you have a lawnmower
> engine under the hood.
>
> We surely cannot complain about the TE position.
> Clay has been great this year and imagine what we
> ould look like with Clay and Keller in the lineup.


Spot on

dolphin Wrote:
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> Tannehill just cannot throw the deep ball with any
> touch. Watch the highlights of other QB's the WR
> runs under the ball for a TD. Wallace has to stop
> and wait for the ball to get there.


How about some clips?


You make it seem like every QB is is hitting on multiple 40+ yard TD's every week.

They aren't.

Just last week, Rothlisberger hit one of his guys for a 40+ yard TD versus the Jets. The guy was open by 8 yards and YES.. he had to slow down for the ball AND change direction.