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montequi Wrote:
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> oh MAN. For a career special teams guy, that's
> just stupid.
--why is that stupid? he barely had nfl talent and needed every edge he could get to make the league. it's stupid for people like a-roid who didn't need them in the first place
My question is, when did he start? Remember he was a teammate and friend of Zach Thomas. He also made our team and played well on special teams. Are you suggesting he was doping from the beginning? If so, you'd have to assume Zach was too. Zach was undersized and always an overachiever. We've always portrayed Zach as a pillar of the community and the perfect player. If Izzo WAS doping Zach would have known. Wouldn't Zach have either ratted out Izzo eventually or tried to talk him out of it? The fact that it never came out and Izzo continued to use 'roids after he left Miami (I mean, he wouldn't have been in the NFL if he didn't right?) only makes you think that Zach was using them too.
Honestly, I'd rather not accuse Zach of taking 'roids. So, I'd also have to assume Izzo wasn't when he was with Miami. So, Izzo likely took them to improve is performance on the field, probably because he wanted to be a starting LB. Well, he never really got there, which is why I said it was stupid that he took them.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2009 05:53PM by montequi.
let's not get carried away. zach was an amazing college football player and had a lot more going for him than izzo. just b/c izzo may have roided--and do we even know if he did--certainly doesn't mean zach did. unlike izzo, zach would not be working for ups if he didn't make the nfl---his family was loaded and he could have entered the family biz.
berkeley223 Wrote:
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> let's not get carried away. zach was an amazing
> college football player and had a lot more going
> for him than izzo. just b/c izzo may have
> roided--and do we even know if he did--certainly
> doesn't mean zach did. unlike izzo, zach would not
> be working for ups if he didn't make the nfl---his
> family was loaded and he could have entered the
> family biz.
I don't think Zach was doping, but I also don't think Izzo was when he came out of college. I think Izzo was an exceptional special teams player without the roids, but he likely started taking them to get over the hump and break into the starting lineup. It didn't work.
No white boy can compete in the nfl without supplements unless he's naturally bigger and more solidly built, like Jake Long. If he's of average size, or shorter like Izzo and Zach were, they need help. The thing is, there are all kinds of ways to give your body an edge without the off-the-shelf steroids of years ago. Growth Hormones are a big thing, and I'd say about half the players in the nfl take a combination of natural and synthethic supplements.
Whoa, Dolphin Sam, lay off the stereotypes. Remove the "white" from your post and I think it would apply to anyone regardless of demographics. Therefore, I don't think the word "white" was necessary. Without the attributes you describe (both those purchased in a bottle or the God given physical ones) I don't see Blacks, Hispanics or Asians succeeding in any greater numbers.