Positive Obdervsations:

Shelby - Had a couple of sacks. Nice to see him build on last years camp success.

Dion Jordan - Liked what I saw out of him. Can't wait to see him, Vernon and Wake on the field at the same time.

Chad Bumphis - Nice game. I can see why some writers have been comparing his camp to when Bess was first brought in as a UFA.

Egnew/Miller/Rodriguez - The TE competition is going to be very interesting. All these guys have usable skills. I think we are definitely keeping 4 TE's and no FB, unless that FB is Rodriguez. He looked very fluid catching the ball out of the backfield. Not stiff like Lane of your typical FB.

Devlin - Looks like a legit NFL back up QB.

Miller - Can't help but think he's on the verge of going the distance every time he touches the ball.

Injuries - I don't think we lost any players last night.



Negative Observations:

LT - Martin just doesn't have the foot speed to play LT at this level. Thomas might, but he's nowhere near ready. This is going to be a major problem this year and if it isn't fixed, it will keep us from making any real noise this year.

Turnovers- Yes, its the first game, first play etc...but Miller can't put that ball on the ground. The pick 6 was a fluke. A rookie WR ran a bad route. The ball was a foot long because of it and he tipped it to the LB.

Run Defense - No Starks, Odrick or Vernon so its nothing to get freaked out by, still not a great effort.

Tannehill - 2 of his 3 Inc passes were bad throws behind McNutt. Not a great start but also utterly meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

(Some) Dolphin Fans - Wow. So much negativity after a glorified scrimmage without your top two WR's, 3 of your 4 starting DL, no defensive scheming or complicated blitz packages, and 5 pass attempts by your starting QB with his 5th and 6th WR options starting. Seriously, There are some folks on this site that I'd hate to find myself in a foxhole with.

Didn't Bumphis cause the pic six by playing volleyball with a pass that hit him in both hands? I'd look it up, but the possibility of stumbling across that "highlight" is preventing me from doing so.

I'm definitely not one of the hand-wringing panic-stricken nay-sayers, make no mistake. Not only was this the first preseason game, but it was the first preseason game A WEEK BEFORE THE REAL PRESEASON EVEN BEGINS. If this were the last preseason game, then we'd have a real problem.

Make all your mistakes in these first couple weeks guys!

A suck performace is a suck performance no matter how you spin it. And last night was PURE suck -- it was really embarassing for a team supposedly on the rise -- they looked like garbage.

Obvious unresolved holes year after year after year remain a problem -- like I don't know -- the freaking OL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean -- come on. Enough is enough. Fix the problem. Move on. But no. We like revolving problems. Never ending...

So please -- don't try and sugar coat the "performance" we witnessed last night. After that there's significant reason to be concernded about where this team is REALLY heading.



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JC Wrote:
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> Didn't Bumphis cause the pic six by playing
> volleyball with a pass that hit him in both hands?
> I'd look it up, but the possibility of stumbling
> across that "highlight" is preventing me from
> doing so.


Yes he did. but watch the route. He slowed it down like he was going to sit down in hole in the zone and then kept going like he remembered what his route was.

That cost him a step and was the difference between a reception and the ball going off his hands.

Its not the end of the world either way, stuff like this happens with rookies all the time.

just pointing out that it was more a a fluke play than a forced turnover.





>
> I'm definitely not one of the hand-wringing
> panic-stricken nay-sayers, make no mistake. Not
> only was this the first preseason game, but it was
> the first preseason game A WEEK BEFORE THE REAL
> PRESEASON EVEN BEGINS. If this were the last
> preseason game, then we'd have a real problem.
>
> Make all your mistakes in these first couple weeks
> guys!

Exactly right JC. It was a glorified scrimmage. a lot of the guys who played major minutes won't even be on the team in 2 weeks let alone opening day.

If we play like this in 3 weeks with our starters, THEN people can start lining up at the bridge. Until then, its needless panic over silly things.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> A suck performace is a suck performance no matter
> how you spin it. And last night was PURE suck --
> it was really embarassing for a team supposedly on
> the rise -- they looked like garbage.
>
> Obvious unresolved holes year after year after
> year remain a problem -- like I don't know -- the
> freaking OL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I mean -- come on. Enough is enough. Fix the
> problem. Move on. But no. We like revolving
> problems. Never ending...


Dude, that how it works in the NFL...you ALWAYS have new problems to fix and new holes to fill. People get hurt, older players retire, you lose players to free agency. it happens to EVERY team EVERY year. The only ones who have any semblance of stability are the ones with really good QB's.

Maybe RT becomes one of those guys, maybe he doesn't. But 5 pass attempts in the HOF game, with the 5th and 6th WR's on the depth chart in the starting lineup, don't prove jack shit one way or the other.




>
> So please -- don't try and sugar coat the
> "performance" we witnessed last night. After that
> there's significant reason to be concernded about
> where this team is REALLY heading.

Who is sugar coating anything? Last night was a bad effort.

But the 'sky isn't falling either', BNF.

Sure, lets not make last night into something it isn't. Other than a few individual performances, and no injuries, there wasn't much good in that game. It also couldn't be more meaningless when it comes to predicting the level of play this team will or won'r achieve this season.

Yeah, I found the negativity to be pretty overblown. Preseason is purely about evaluating players. There is no way that last night's game was any sort of accurate gauge of where this team is. When we see all the starters playing in a meaningful game, then we'll begin to know where we're at. Remember the 1972 Dolphins lost 3 preseason games. I wonder if fans were jumping ship then?

I know precisely how the NFL works -- and teams that get the job done continuously tend to exhibit the characteristics of winners -- whereas teams that don’t get the job done tend to exhibit the characteristics of losers.

Here's the headline: Last night the Miami Dolphins looked like certified LOSERS!

Was I expecting perfection? No. But the team looked INEPT and INCAPABLE of moving the football and scoring points -- which of course winning teams find a way to do.

No BS. Just BNF.

Martin Actually looked good on runs. Planted his main once, showed good strength. I agree his foot work looks terrible on pass plays. He is not setting up in time and getting his base set. That's why he is getting steamrolled. Same w/ Thomas on a few plays.

The defense looked good, I think they can be a top 3/5 in the nfl. Disappointed we did not force any turnvovers.

Rodriguez - he was there when he was supposed to be on the pass plays and showed good hands. He took the lead in the fb race imo.

Egnew and Miller - I want to see what they can do against nfl starters.

Tyms & Bumphis - earned more playing time.

Mcnutt showed nothing.

Young rb's looked hungry.

The Lions went 4-0 last year in pre-season, guess their super bowl party didn't go as planned. Don't worry about the pre-season, it's for the chumps to man up or go home. The real Miami Dolphins won't play until the next trip to Ohio in September.

Last night would have been OK if it was titled the Amateur Hour but it was supposed to be "Professional Football" and there is a CONCERN that projects well into the season when you watch Thill looking lost and inaccurate and incapable of even remotely challenging a defense -- not to mention the horrible OL play -- and note the play of the LT definitely has bearing going into the season.

I wouldn't give a crap if we lost by a lot more points -- the PROBLEM is the way the team looked, functioned, and how key players absolutely did not demonstrate legit NFL chops.

Or, simply put. The core questions were NOT addressed in a positive way.

1) can Thill develop onto a serious big-time NFL QB? Based on last night -- I didn’t see any evidence of that whatsoever. Zilch.

2) is Martin the answer at LT? His pass pro was horrible. Very serious concern…

3) can we find a consistent running game? Uhhh. I don't think so based on what we demonstrated last night. And of course the OL is (yet again for like 100 years in a row) a problem area…

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I know precisely how the NFL works -- and teams
> that get the job done continuously tend to exhibit
> the characteristics of winners -- whereas teams
> that don’t get the job done tend to exhibit the
> characteristics of losers.


Just so we are on the same page here, which teams "get it done continuously"?

>
> Here's the headline: Last night the Miami Dolphins
> looked like certified LOSERS!
>
> Was I expecting perfection? No. But the team
> looked INEPT and INCAPABLE of moving the football
> and scoring points --

Really?


We had 450 yards of offense and scored 20 points.


Frankly, if you take away the retarded fumble insde our own 10 yardline gift wrapping them a TD and the lucky pick six, and our scrubs sorta out played their scrubs.


That in no way means that there weren't serious things to be concerned about on our side of the ball last night, in particular the LT situation, but its hardly the apocalyptic scenario you have been painting all morning.

the phins are just sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Im praying this year will not be last year revisited.


Us true dolphin fans are tired of stinking!


And they rank us what? twenty something....


We should be ranked in the low 30s.

To me it looked like a combination of two things:

1. Team was not ready for the Dallas defense at all.
2. LT and the line in general was outplayed all night.


Thus the offense was scary weak except for one bright spot (Lamar Miller). He made cuts and people look like they were standing still, despite having not much OL.

Tanneyhill and all our QBs were sitting ducks most of the night. Not what I expected even though first game, they did not look well coached or talented.

There is going to have to be a lot of improvement to resemble anything like a competitive team.

Yes early game, but it6 was early for Dallas too. Miami was plain ole sloppy!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Us true dolphin fans are tired of stinking!
>
>
> I'm sorry Sam Sam , but ALL fans are tired of
> stinking. That's kind of a silly statement.
> Doesn't make anyone more or less of a Fan because
> we choose to see a 5th game pre season glorified
> scrimmage for what it really was.


Yes it may have been a scrimmage but just for once i would of liked for the phins to be on the other side of the road.

Meaning having a lot of players having positive outcomes like dallas did.

____________________________________________________________________


What we got out of this game was that we have no OL......therefore tannehill is going to suffer because of it.

Our defense and LBs looking like swiss cheese.

____________________________________________________________________


I know we are going to improve but i hope its not too late when we are out of playoff contention.

I hope it gets better.

phinjim wrote: Tanneyhill and all our QBs were sitting ducks most of the night.


Thats what im afraid its going to happen this year. tannehill will suffer because they couldn't put a decent OL in place before the year starts.

those 2 scrubs playing LT yesterday will surely get tannehill injured sooner or later.

Dallas thomas looked like a slow fat tub of goo playing LT.

And Martin didnt look any better.

Maybe one day we will have a good OL again like in the dan marino year.

All we got now is pouncey and the rest are a bunch of scrubs.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Us true dolphin fans are tired of stinking!
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry Sam Sam , but ALL fans are tired of
> > stinking. That's kind of a silly statement.
> > Doesn't make anyone more or less of a Fan
> because
> > we choose to see a 5th game pre season
> glorified
> > scrimmage for what it really was.
>
>
> Yes it may have been a scrimmage but just for once
> i would of liked for the phins to be on the other
> side of the road.
>
> Meaning having a lot of players having positive
> outcomes like dallas did.
>
> __________________________________________________
> __________________
>
>
> What we got out of this game was that we have no
> OL......therefore tannehill is going to suffer
> because of it.
>
> Our defense and LBs looking like swiss cheese.
>
> __________________________________________________
> __________________
>
>
> I know we are going to improve but i hope its not
> too late when we are out of playoff contention.
>
> I hope it gets better.





Lets try it this way:


How about you make a list of all the Dolphin players you think sucked last night to the point of being an embarrassment?

you thought the defense looked good? It seemed like the Cowboys got 7 yards per carry and we could not tackle at all.

dolphin Wrote:
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> you thought the defense looked good? It seemed
> like the Cowboys got 7 yards per carry and we
> could not tackle at all.


Which players on defense?

And please...don't cop out by saying "all of them".


Go through the exercise of writing down the names of the offenders.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Us true dolphin fans are tired of stinking!
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sorry Sam Sam , but ALL fans are tired of
> > > stinking. That's kind of a silly statement.
> > > Doesn't make anyone more or less of a Fan
> > because
> > > we choose to see a 5th game pre season
> > glorified
> > > scrimmage for what it really was.
> >
> >
> > Yes it may have been a scrimmage but just for
> once
> > i would of liked for the phins to be on the
> other
> > side of the road.
> >
> > Meaning having a lot of players having positive
> > outcomes like dallas did.
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
>
> > __________________
> >
> >
> > What we got out of this game was that we have
> no
> > OL......therefore tannehill is going to suffer
> > because of it.
> >
> > Our defense and LBs looking like swiss cheese.
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
>
> > __________________
> >
> >
> > I know we are going to improve but i hope its
> not
> > too late when we are out of playoff contention.
> >
> > I hope it gets better.
>
>
>
>
>
> Lets try it this way:
>
>
> How about you make a list of all the Dolphin
> players you think sucked last night to the point
> of being an embarrassment?


i just saw the game till halftime....And thats all i needed to see . Really didnt concentrate much on specific players but it seemed until halftime nobody played well.

a fumble on the first snap by that future pro bowler lamar miller and then a couple of good runs by him and daniel thomas..

Martin and dallas thomas getting destroyed.

Dustin keller dropping the only pass thrown to him.

tannehill connecting on a couple of passes....i take that back i think one of them was by keller....and then been out of the game.

Maybe the coaches didnt want him to get injured and they are going to wait to see if they find a true LT.

I also saw a little bit of matt moore and i wish i didnt. He might be better off playing table tennis.

then i went to sleep all depressed.......thank god for the Heat.


PS. I guess in the second half they played both teams scrubs that are not even going to be in a regular season uniform when the season starts.
So why even bother watching the second half.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Didn't Bumphis cause the pic six by playing
> > volleyball with a pass that hit him in both
> hands?
>
> Yes he did. but watch the route. He slowed it
> down like he was going to sit down in hole in the
> zone and then kept going like he remembered what
> his route was.
>

So he ran his route wrong AND didn't catch a pass that him in both hands...ok I feel better about it now

But you're right I saw the play again and he did hesitate. Don't do it again Chad!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Us true dolphin fans are tired of stinking!
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry Sam Sam , but ALL fans are tired
> of
> > > > stinking. That's kind of a silly statement.
> > > > Doesn't make anyone more or less of a Fan
> > > because
> > > > we choose to see a 5th game pre season
> > > glorified
> > > > scrimmage for what it really was.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes it may have been a scrimmage but just for
> > once
> > > i would of liked for the phins to be on the
> > other
> > > side of the road.
> > >
> > > Meaning having a lot of players having
> positive
> > > outcomes like dallas did.
> > >
> > >
> >
> __________________________________________________
>
> >
> > > __________________
> > >
> > >
> > > What we got out of this game was that we have
> > no
> > > OL......therefore tannehill is going to
> suffer
> > > because of it.
> > >
> > > Our defense and LBs looking like swiss
> cheese.
> > >
> > >
> >
> __________________________________________________
>
> >
> > > __________________
> > >
> > >
> > > I know we are going to improve but i hope its
> > not
> > > too late when we are out of playoff
> contention.
> > >
> > > I hope it gets better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets try it this way:
> >
> >
> > How about you make a list of all the Dolphin
> > players you think sucked last night to the
> point
> > of being an embarrassment?
>
>
> i just saw the game till halftime....And thats all
> i needed to see . Really didnt concentrate much on
> specific players but it seemed until halftime
> nobody played well.
>
> a fumble on the first snap by that future pro
> bowler lamar miller and then a couple of good runs
> by him and daniel thomas..
>
> Martin and dallas thomas getting destroyed.
>
> Dustin keller dropping the only pass thrown to
> him.
>
> tannehill connecting on a couple of passes....i
> take that back i think one of them was by
> keller....and then been out of the game.
>
> Maybe the coaches didnt want him to get injured
> and they are going to wait to see if they find a
> true LT.
>
> I also saw a little bit of matt moore and i wish i
> didnt. He might be better off playing table
> tennis.
>
> then i went to sleep all depressed.......thank god
> for the Heat.
>
>
> PS. I guess in the second half they played both
> teams scrubs that are not even going to be in a
> regular season uniform when the season starts.
> So why even bother watching the second half.


So let me get this right:

Our 2nd year RB fumbles his first carry, our 2nd year QB's first two passes are off target and then he didn't play enough, and our new TE dropped his first opportunity...

Because of that, the season is over and a complete failure.

That seems like a reasonable response...



btw...LT is a MAJOR concern. That one I agree with wholeheartedly.

I thought the team looked sloppy and not very well coached.... But that happens a lot in the first preseason game of the year.. If I were Ireland I would be nervous right about now... Wheeler, gave me questions about his game, he seemed out of place a lot.... but did make one nice play I saw... LT and getting rid of Jake Long didnt look like the best of ideas after watching the position last night...
All I have heard about this team and the focus on the turnover battle this offseason... Well, we lost the turnover battles and didnt create any turnovers.... Talk is cheap coaches.... Tannehill didnt look any different then last year, he still had issues being elusive in and around the pocket, and accuracy... I am not sure those just go away with experience... But I sure as hell hope so...
All that being said I dont look for a lot in the preseason opener... And this team looked heads and tales different last preseason vs when the season started.... Till then i am going to rub my rabbits foot, not walk under any ladders or break any glass mirrors.. Because I am not feeling to good, I almost wish I hadnt watched...lol..

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

I guess what myself, BNF, and SamSam are saying is that yes it is only preseason and if we had lost the game in the final seconds and were bitching and moaning, you guys would have a point.

But the patterns of deficiency looked suspiciously like last year's failings.

Even a downgrade.

Matt Moore made bone headed plays and whatever you say about HIS deficiencies, at least last year stupidity was NOT one of them.

Maybe what we are saying is reflecting on the coaching more than anything else.

The only NORMAL to good spots were the Kicking game, except again Brandon STILL has not learned that we DON'T NEED those booming kicks for distance when our line of scrimmage is the opposition 40 yard line the same as you do when our line of scrimmage is our own 30. We DON'T need for you to punt the ball out of the endzone in those situations. See that's coaching again.

That's the biggest point of what BNF, SamSam and I are saying and that is that with the same coaching you are probably going to get the same result.

go into the other thread.................i predicted a 10-6 recond for 2013 and a playoff berth....


the season is not over......Its just frustrating to see them struggle in almost every position.

Yes its early but you see another side to dallas for example.....

chren B Wrote: the patterns of deficiency looked suspiciously like last year's failings. Even a downgrade.

Nothing else needs to be said....that says it all and in a sentence and a half.