Truth- You assume Lebron believes he wronged Cleveland. He's got one hell of an ego.

Odenn Wrote:
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> Truth- You assume Lebron believes he wronged
> Cleveland. He's got one hell of an ego.


He knows he wronged Cleveland. The way he handled the whole "decision" thing was a fiasco. He went from the most popular athlete in the country (not just in Cleveland) to the most reviled overnight.

It's why he issued a public apology to Cleveland 2 years ago.


I'd be very concerned next year if I was a heat fan.

If his goal is to match or beat Jordan's 6 titles where is his best chance?

In Miami with an aging/fading wing man in wade and a 70 yr old gm, or in Cleveland with the best young pg in the league, and whomever they take with the top pick this year?

Add in the fact it's an opportunity at redemption for him, and it's not hard to see him going home after next year.

WHAT HAPPENED??????????????

Did the NFL refs suddenly replace the NBA refs in last night's game???

What a tacky questionable OFFENSIVE FOUL call at a crucial point in the closing seconds of the game with the Pacers!

On the second thought, at least the NFL refs know to lay off debatable calls in the final seconds of a close game.

Just like you can call holding on every play if you consider the non-flagrant type, you can call a contact foul on every basketball play, disgusting that they made that call.

They tried to make up for it by giving the ball to Miami on that out of bounds play later but it did not make up for it.

The game was cluttered with bad calls and makeup calls everywhere. I wonder what the refs were smoking. I also wonder what the heck Lebron said that got him the technical!

Truth- Lebron hates Dan Gilbert... You can't ignore that fact in your prediction.. Riley is the best GM in the game, no other GM can give him what Riley has proven he can give him.. Any team could have signed the Birdman to assist their play off run, yet it was Riley who did... Lebron isnt blind...


CHyren- I agree that was BS call that pretty much dictated the outcome of the game.. either way the Heat played pretty bad last night.. But the 4 fouls in 7 minutes for Lebron was extremely questionable...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2013 02:06PM by Crowder52.

Dumb *** comment to right a wrong. Lebron did not wrong Cleveland. Grow up, America used to be such a tougher place. A kid made a decision to fullfill his dream. What kid would not want to leave that crap hole Cleveland for Miami.

Screw Cleveland and its whiny owner.

Speaking of bad calls, did anyone see the horrible call in the Blackhawks/Red Wings game last night? Almost cost Chicago the series, WTF was that ref smoking? (for those that didn't see it, he waved off a tie-breaking goal by the Hawks with about a minute left in regulation, basically because two guys fell down). Luckily Chicago scored in OT, or that would of gone down as one of the worst anal rapes in sports history.

Man hated to see that series end, my favorite NHL uni's.

I agree you can't ever truly say "the greatest" and be vindicated 100%. But some players I remember watching in complete Awe were , Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Csonka and of course Jerry Rice. They were just a step ahead of their peers in everyway. I see great athletes but I don't see great players much anymore. Ray Lewis stands out as maybe the best complete Football player of this era.Guy didn't get injured much and he brought it every week, everydown. I wouldn't want to try and block him.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Lebron wronged cleveland????


Hey this is a bussiness and when its time to move on so be it.......cleveland owned lebron until his contract expired....After that he was free to do whatever he wanted...

Cleveland should praise lebron for taking them so far in his time there.....

People in cleveland do not appresiate that...

truth i believe lebron didnt even know what he was going to do until the last second.....


even dwayne wade didnt know what lebron was going to do...And they are close friends.


I remember when lebron announced he was coming to miami.....they showed footage of wade in his house or whatever standing up and applauding lebrons decision.....It seemed by dwaynes reaction he wasnt expecting it.

Off topic...here's an NBA team I'd love to see:

PG: "Pistol" Pete Maravich

SG: Michael Jordan

SF: Dr. J

PF: Blake Griffin

C: Hakeem Olajuwon


Pete can do all the crazy passes while the other 4 can just play in the air without ever coming down

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> truth i believe lebron didnt even know what he was
> going to do until the last second.....
>
>
> even dwayne wade didnt know what lebron was going
> to do...And they are close friends.
>
>
> I remember when lebron announced he was coming to
> miami.....they showed footage of wade in his house
> or whatever standing up and applauding lebrons
> decision.....It seemed by dwaynes reaction he
> wasnt expecting it.


There were a few inside reporters like Steven A smith who said weeks before the season ended they were all going to Miami and the decision was already made.

But whatever.

There's no denying that the way they handled the "decision" was juvenile and self centered.

All you have to do is look at LeBron's popularity polls to see how the vast majority of the public (non-heat fans) viewed the whole thing. He went from the most popular sports figure in the country to the most hated in a month.

He knew MONTHS before the end of that season he wasn't going to go back to Cleveland. He should have told them upfront so they could have tried to trade him to his destination of choice the way Carmello Anthony did with Denver.

He screwed them. Plain and simple. Its why he apologized to the team and the fans in Cleveland.

What he did doesn't make him a bad guy, just someone who made a bad decision.

In fact, I think he's a good guy. That's why I think the allure of making up with his hometown will be very strong.

Lebron's alright w/ me screw Cleveland and its fans. They deserved it bunch of f- losers. If Lebron goes back that's his business. Just like it was his business decision to come to MIA.

Screw the people who are still hung up on this

Juvenile was the way the cleveland fans reacted and burned his shirt in the middle of the street.

Thats juvenile.

Heat held serve last night.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Juvenile was the way the cleveland fans reacted
> and burned his shirt in the middle of the street.
>
> Thats juvenile.


What if JT had won a championship with the Jets!? I'd be wiping my ass with #99 brother. Jus saying.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > Juvenile was the way the cleveland fans reacted
> > and burned his shirt in the middle of the
> street.
> >
> > Thats juvenile.
>
>
> What if JT had won a championship with the Jets!?
> I'd be wiping my ass with #99 brother. Jus saying.


What if Dan Marino left after his rookie contract was up?

People in Miami would view him the same way Cleveland views LeBron and fans would have been burning their #13 jerseys left and right.

Truth- Carmelo Anthony left Denver, Dwight Howard left Orlando, Bosh left Toronto, Chris Paul left New Orleans.. the list goes on... It is not like Lebron leaving was anything unusual for this day and age in the NBA... Do they all need to "right a wrong" by returning to the teams they left?

I think the Wade/Lebron coming together was planned long before by Wade and Lebron when they both broke the contract mold when they simultaneously signed shorter term deals then normal their rookie year...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- Carmelo Anthony left Denver, Dwight Howard
> left Orlando, Bosh left Toronto, Chris Paul left
> New Orleans.. the list goes on... It is not like
> Lebron leaving was anything unusual for this day
> and age in the NBA... Do they all need to "right a
> wrong" by returning to the teams they left?
>
> I think the Wade/Lebron coming together was
> planned long before by Wade and Lebron when they
> both broke the contract mold when they
> simultaneously signed shorter term deals then
> normal their rookie year...

And it's not a new thing either. Kareem, basically, left Milwaukee (asking for a trade). Wilt also, essentially, left Philly (again, asking to be traded). In fact, very view superstars played with the same team their entire careers.

montequi Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Truth- Carmelo Anthony left Denver, Dwight
> Howard
> > left Orlando, Bosh left Toronto, Chris Paul
> left
> > New Orleans.. the list goes on... It is not
> like
> > Lebron leaving was anything unusual for this
> day
> > and age in the NBA... Do they all need to "right
> a
> > wrong" by returning to the teams they left?
> >
> > I think the Wade/Lebron coming together was
> > planned long before by Wade and Lebron when
> they
> > both broke the contract mold when they
> > simultaneously signed shorter term deals then
> > normal their rookie year...
>
> And it's not a new thing either. Kareem,
> basically, left Milwaukee (asking for a trade).
> Wilt also, essentially, left Philly (again, asking
> to be traded). In fact, very view superstars
> played with the same team their entire careers.


Two VERY different things leaving by trade and leaving as a free agent.

One leaves a team in shambles. The other leaves it with pieces to build around.

All things considered Truth I would still be shocked to see LeBron leave. And if i remember correctly i think he said his goal was ten rings.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Juvenile was the way the cleveland fans
> reacted
> > > and burned his shirt in the middle of the
> > street.
> > >
> > > Thats juvenile.
> >
> >
> > What if JT had won a championship with the
> Jets!?
> > I'd be wiping my ass with #99 brother. Jus
> saying.
>
>
> What if Dan Marino left after his rookie contract
> was up?
>
> People in Miami would view him the same way
> Cleveland views LeBron and fans would have been
> burning their #13 jerseys left and right.


I agree i would had been pissed as well.....But not to the point of wanting to kill him and burn his shirt in the middle of the street.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Two VERY different things leaving by trade and
> leaving as a free agent.
>
> One leaves a team in shambles. The other leaves
> it with pieces to build around.

Milwaukee never really recovered from Kareem leaving. They didn't want to trade him, but Kareem forced it. That's nearly the same thing.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Two VERY different things leaving by trade and
> leaving as a free agent.
>
> One leaves a team in shambles. The other leaves
> it with pieces to build around.


Cleveland was compensated by Miami for Lebron. It was a typical sign and trade deal, with lots of picks that have helped Cleveland rebuild their team..

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Hey, if you were given a choice of ONLY ONE of
> the two to build a team around, which would you
> choose?
>
> That's what I always say about stats. They
> basically say nothing.
>
> If you choose Michael Jordan, you've got a scorer.
> That's it Where's your center? Where's your shot
> blocker? Where's your point guard You're going to
> have to get those from other guys.
>
> So if you want your team to win, you can't do it
> with Michael and four other grade C players. You
> are going to have to SUPPLEMENT Jordan with a few
> other A players to win a championship.
>
> But you can win a championship with MAGIC and four
> other grade C players.
>
> Simply put, both are great players, but MAGIC is a
> more complete great player, perhaps the greatest
> known in all of team sports.
>
> ..../ footnote: I know there were some great
> players around Magic but that's not the point.
> Take away those great players and which one, Magic
> or Michael, could produce the best record
> surrounded by a bunch of gumbies? Magic without a
> doubt.

Seriously? Jordan never played with a dominant player at any position. He never had a dominant center in a championship year. He was the Bulls.

Jordan was the reason the Bulls won so many championships. What did Scotty Pippen do without Jordan? Nothing....and he was the 2nd best player on any of the championship teams.

Magic had one of the best centers in history in KA Jabbar. James Worthy at Forward. He also never won anything without at least one of those HALL OF FAME players.

The answer is simple and has already been answered in history....it's Jordan because he never played with great players and still won 6.

He has the points and the rings.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Heat held serve last night.


yes they did chren.hopefully they can win tonight and get this over with................im not so sure they will win game 7 the way theyve been playing.


and it will be a miracle if they happen to advance to the final and win it all...............the bench hasnt been plying like i thought they would......they are from eratic to bad.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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>
> > Two VERY different things leaving by trade and
> > leaving as a free agent.
> >
> > One leaves a team in shambles. The other
> leaves
> > it with pieces to build around.
>
>
> Cleveland was compensated by Miami for Lebron. It
> was a typical sign and trade deal, with lots of
> picks that have helped Cleveland rebuild their
> team..


I'd completely forgotten all about the draft picks. My bad.


Still, if he'd been traded at the trading deadline Cleveland would have had more leverage and gotten players as well as a pair of 1's and pair of 2's.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > samsam3738 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Juvenile was the way the cleveland fans
> > reacted
> > > > and burned his shirt in the middle of the
> > > street.
> > > >
> > > > Thats juvenile.
> > >
> > >
> > > What if JT had won a championship with the
> > Jets!?
> > > I'd be wiping my ass with #99 brother. Jus
> > saying.
> >
> >
> > What if Dan Marino left after his rookie
> contract
> > was up?
> >
> > People in Miami would view him the same way
> > Cleveland views LeBron and fans would have been
> > burning their #13 jerseys left and right.
>
>
> I agree i would had been pissed as well.....But
> not to the point of wanting to kill him and burn
> his shirt in the middle of the street.

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Remember also, that Csonka left Miami.