samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Eesti: Because Ireland had no idea that we needed
> a QB?
>
>
> How long has he been here>>>???
>
> I guess he had no idea we needed a qb before
> either.


Sam.

He and his boss (Parcells) took Chad Henne in the 2nd round 5 years ago in their first draft.

After that they gave him a shot. It didn't work out and Henne and Sparano got let go the same year.

but lets not re-write history here.

Are you going to claim that you, let alone Ireland, should have known after that first game when Henne killed the Jets on Monday night that he was a bust that didn't deserve a shot?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eeti IMO the drafting of tannehill was philbins
> > idea....
>
>
> >
> > Coincidence that we havent picked a QB in the
> > first round in 20 years and we pick one on
> > philbins first year? Nope...And weve had a
> million
> > chances.......matt ryan, rodgers..Brees after
> the
> > first but still .Just to name three.
> >
>
> > So when i said philbin i meant everything that
> > came with philbin and that included tannehill.
>
>
>
> Sorry Sam, but that is just wrong.
>
> Philbin had been here for 2 months before the
> draft and admittedly didn't even look at much film
> on prospects last year because he had so much more
> on his plate. Not that scouting is his job now.
>
> They were talking about getting a franchise QB
> like Peyton Manning or maybe even Matt Flynn, or
> investing in one in the draft LONG before Joe was
> hired.





I think possibly Ireland had had no confidence in Tony Saprano. He wanted a veteran QB because Tony fist pump didn't know how to bring along a Rookie. I think Ireland is much more secure and confident in his coaching staff and it showed in his drafting style and his picks.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > eeti IMO the drafting of tannehill was
> philbins
> > > idea....
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Coincidence that we havent picked a QB in the
> > > first round in 20 years and we pick one on
> > > philbins first year? Nope...And weve had a
> > million
> > > chances.......matt ryan, rodgers..Brees after
> > the
> > > first but still .Just to name three.
> > >
> >
> > > So when i said philbin i meant everything
> that
> > > came with philbin and that included
> tannehill.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry Sam, but that is just wrong.
> >
> > Philbin had been here for 2 months before the
> > draft and admittedly didn't even look at much
> film
> > on prospects last year because he had so much
> more
> > on his plate. Not that scouting is his job
> now.
> >
> > They were talking about getting a franchise QB
> > like Peyton Manning or maybe even Matt Flynn,
> or
> > investing in one in the draft LONG before Joe
> was
> > hired.
>
>
>
>
>
> I think possibly Ireland had had no confidence in
> Tony Saprano. He wanted a veteran QB because Tony
> fist pump didn't know how to bring along a Rookie.
> I think Ireland is much more secure and confident
> in his coaching staff and it showed in his
> drafting style and his picks.


I agree TCPF.

Truth i was talking about first round qbs.....that we havent drafted one in the first round since marino.

We have!!!!!!! drafted other qbs in the latter rounds but none in round one.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Truth i was talking about first round qbs.....that
> we havent drafted one in the first round since
> marino.
>
> We have!!!!!!! drafted other qbs in the latter
> rounds but none in round one.


That's true Sam, but a 2nd round pick is pretty high also.

How often do teams take a guy in that round and NOT give him a shot at the starting job?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Truth i was talking about first round
> qbs.....that
> > we havent drafted one in the first round since
> > marino.
> >
> > We have!!!!!!! drafted other qbs in the latter
> > rounds but none in round one.
>
>
> That's true Sam, but a 2nd round pick is pretty
> high also.
>
> How often do teams take a guy in that round and
> NOT give him a shot at the starting job?

If in 1983 we wait until the second round to pick a qb?

We would all still be wondering about never having a qb worth anything.


Truth wrote: How often do teams take a guy in that round and NOT give him a shot at the starting job?

You mean like chad henne?

But he still stunk!

The question is how many times does a qb gets drafted after the first round and becomes a hall of famer like kelly elway or dan..They were all drafted in the first.


Tom Brady was something that will never happen again.

Ok anything its possible but the odds of a team drafting another tom brady in the 5th or 6th are very low.

quote: are you going to claim that you, let alone Ireland, should have known after that first game when Henne killed the Jets on Monday night that he was a bust that didn't deserve a shot?


1. The point im trying to make is that we havent drafted a qb after dan left....in the first round

2. Philbin becomes the head coach

3. We draft a qb.in the first ..who played half a game you know what i mean in college..

4. I still think it was philbins idea.

5. Ireland been here a while and did not draft a qb in the first untill philbin got here.

6. Ireland drafts henne after the first round 2nd i believe plays him he has a couple good games....Then stinks and they show him the door.

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I know what you are saying truth....I misquoted what i think....Ireland did indeed drafted a qb but not in the first...

We had a chance of drafting matt ryan......and drafted instead the safe pick..........jake long......I $H!TTED my pants that day in rage.

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I think we had a chance at rodgers from packers as well....But i dont remember if ireland was here.....Not sure about this though.

LOL TCPF........Keep that tagline for a while that one is even better than the other one.

you should make it in bold and let it stick for a while....I find that team despicable.


I hate the color green.

I hate joe namath.

I hate their fans i got a couple at work and i get a big headache everytime the jet beat the phins. from the dam phreaking braggin they do.

I dont even hate the bills as much.....And i hate the PHU(K out the bills too.

PS. The color green is the ugliest color of all....Even that fireman got
tired of rooting for them.

I could never get tired of rooting for the phins...>Even in the 1 and 15 season.....That year when we beat the ravens.....i went around in circles in the living room for a while. Figure of speech.

LMAO ..............................Cool!

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eeti IMO the drafting of tannehill was philbins
> > idea....
>
>
> >
> > Coincidence that we havent picked a QB in the
> > first round in 20 years and we pick one on
> > philbins first year? Nope...And weve had a
> million
> > chances.......matt ryan, rodgers..Brees after
> the
> > first but still .Just to name three.
> >
>
> > So when i said philbin i meant everything that
> > came with philbin and that included tannehill.
>
>
>
> Sorry Sam, but that is just wrong.
>
> Philbin had been here for 2 months before the
> draft and admittedly didn't even look at much film
> on prospects last year because he had so much more
> on his plate. Not that scouting is his job now.
>
> They were talking about getting a franchise QB
> like Peyton Manning or maybe even Matt Flynn, or
> investing in one in the draft LONG before Joe was
> hired.

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Have to agree with ya, Truth.

Along with what you said (above), I am sure that Ireland is the guy who had his eye on drafting a QB in the first round, and (supposedly) had his eye on Tanneyhill the whole time (mainly because he had no shot at the top two). I will guess that Philbin's input came when they were discussing whether or not to sign Flynn. Because he wasn't signed, we can guess that Philbin just didn't think that highly of him, so Ireland went the draft route.

This year will determine if Ireland was right.

And Sam.....It may or may not be coincidence that last year was the first year that Miami has drafted a QB in the first round since Danny boy. One thing we must look at is that Ireland wasn't part of any of those drafts.

When Ireland arrived in Miami, Parcells was "shopping the groceries." Bill was hired to rebuild this team, and Ireland was there to "help" Bill. Ireland had no real say in who was drafted, as proven by the Pat White pick. The first year Ireland was in "charge" his first opportunity to draft a QB would have been Ryan Mallet, but Ireland went in a different direction.

Last year he decided that enough was enough, and drafted RT.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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>
> If in 1983 we wait until the second round to pick
> a qb?
>
> We would all still be wondering about never having
> a qb worth anything.
>
>
> Truth wrote: How often do teams take a guy in that
> round and NOT give him a shot at the starting
> job?
>
> You mean like chad henne?
>
> But he still stunk!
>
> The question is how many times does a qb gets
> drafted after the first round and becomes a hall
> of famer like kelly elway or dan..They were all
> drafted in the first.
>
>
> Tom Brady was something that will never happen
> again.


no doubt that the 1st round is the best place to find a QB Sam, but that doesn't change the fact that when you draft a guy in the 2nd you do it because you think he's a starter, if not superstar.

If we had taken a QB in the 2nd round in 1982 it would have increased the chances of us passing on Marino in the 1st in 1983.

The original point of this thread was not to give Philbin ALL of the credit for the good things and blame Sparano for all of the bad, but it's pretty evident that the GM should not get all of the credit/blame as well. Ireland should be a case study for this reason alone, he is a totally different GM since BP and Sparano have left, he drafts different, acts different, makes smarter moves, etc.

It still remains to be seen if the Philbin/Ireland "civil union" will work, but they seem to be on the same page and clicking on all cylinders.

SamSam, I understood you the first time even if Truth didn't.

We hadn't drafted a QB in the first round in 20 years.

If you are SERIOUS about ANY position and having a desperate need there, you don't use your first round draft choice on SOME OTHER POSITION, nor do you figure you can satisfy it with your SECOND round pick, unless that's all you have and you are convinced that a 1st round QB has unjustifiably dropped into the second round.

The fact is that for the last 20 years, the Dolphins basically never considered themselves to be in a TOTAL REBUILDING mode.

Right or wrong the management always thought that they could add an ingredient here or there and change the team from either a playoff team or NEAR playoff team into a SuperBowl contender.

WHOEVER made the decision to go QB in the first round last year was obviously right and now I can see a return to excellence.

Again, I myself was stuck in that mode, so I ain't saying anything about anything that could not be said of the way I was thinking as well.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> you should make it in bold and let it stick for a
> while....I find that team despicable.
>
>
> I hate the color green.
>
> I hate joe namath.
>
> I hate their fans i got a couple at work and i get
> a big headache everytime the jet beat the phins.
> from the dam phreaking braggin they do.
>
> I dont even hate the bills as much.....And i hate
> the PHU(K out the bills too.
>
> PS. The color green is the ugliest color of
> all....Even that fireman got
> tired of rooting for them.
>
> I could never get tired of rooting for the
> phins...>Even in the 1 and 15 season.....That year
> when we beat the ravens.....i went around in
> circles in the living room for a while. Figure of
> speech.

Sam, my fan brother, you took the words right out of my mouth. Phins fans, especially like us on this board who bleed Phin colors, can never be called fair weather fans. We haven't seen fair weather in a decade. As for losing to the Jests, I usually have to drink copious amounts of alcohol before leaving the TV room just to stand it.

You're right about the level of hate too. I hate the Bills(especially during the Bryan Cox era), and I completely despise the Cheatriots, but my hatred for both of those teams combined doesn't equal the level of pure unfiltered bile and scorn that I feel in my soul at the mere mention of the NY Jets. In a season where we go to the playoffs, if we didn't sweep the Jests, I consider it a down year.

odden Wrote: in a season where we go to the playoffs, if we didn't sweep the Jests, I consider it a down year.


Thats exactly how i feel.