Looks good. I think Egnew might not make the cut this season and probably we'll see a couple of different faces at LB at the season opener. Overall this squad seems solid to me.

Sounds about right, but I am not convinced we are going to cut ties with Javorskie Lane at FB or Richard Marshall at CB.. I see you have him listed at safety.. I think there is a good chance Marshall and Grimes are our starting corners at least week 1... But I agree with money concerns, good chance Patterson or Marshall get cut... Not sure which one, but the other most likely starts..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Sounds about right, but I am not convinced we are
> going to cut ties with Javorskie Lane at FB or
> Richard Marshall at CB.. I see you have him listed
> at safety.. I think there is a good chance
> Marshall and Grimes are our starting corners at
> least week 1... But I agree with money concerns,
> good chance Patterson or Marshall get cut... Not
> sure which one, but the other most likely starts..


I think Marshall makes it because of his versatility. He can play CB and back up FS, although his salary could end up costing him a spot.

I think Clay gets the FB spot for the same reason. Phiblin has said he likes to run a 1 RB most of the time. I think they go with clay cause he can handle the roll as lead blocker in short yardage the couple of times a game we'll use it and he gives us a legit 4th TE.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

We don't really have a lead blocker or bruising short yardage back.. Not sure Clay really fits that mold.. Javorskie Lane did a pretty good job as a lead blocker and knocking people out of the way last year.. I like clay but he is more the hybrid TE/FB..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> We don't really have a lead blocker or bruising
> short yardage back..

That's true, but if Philbin is serious about running a 1 back set most of the time, then we really don't need a short yardage specialist.



> Not sure Clay really fits
> that mold..

Not of a power FB, but that's not our offense anymore. He fits what we like to do, well enough at least for the time being. The depth he provides at TE outweighs the fact he's not a traditional FB in my mind.



> Javorskie Lane did a pretty good job
> as a lead blocker and knocking people out of the
> way last year..


He was solid early on but was so-so the 2nd half of the year.


> I like clay but he is more the
> hybrid TE/FB..


Yes. Which is more inline with what we want to do offensively.

We are moving away from a power scheme to a finesse scheme. Smaller more agile O-lineman, not maulers.

Mismatches are going to be more important to our success than overpowering the guy.

Things could change, but that's the way I see it now.

Should make for an interesting summer to see how all this shakes out.



For me, it boils down to wanting to give Engew a shot. It comes down to Egnew or Lane.

If Egnew drops everything in sight or can't get on the field this summer then its an easy choice. If he improves (how can't he?) I'd rather have him and his upside over a one dimensional Lane.

I can live with and I can live with Clay at FB until Egnew proves out or flops, or someone gets hurt.

Why would Philbin or Sherman want Javorskie on the team in the first place if he didn't fit their system.. Lane is a Sherman guy, he brought him in, it is not like Javorskie is a carry over from the last staff and system. So I am a bit confused..

I think Lanes slow down in the second half was do to the fact he hasn't played football in a couple years.. They say rookies tend to crash in the second half with the length of the NFL season they are not use to... Lane was out of football a couple years and a rookie..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Why would Philbin or Sherman want Javorskie on the
> team in the first place if he didn't fit their
> system.. Lane is a Sherman guy, he brought him in,
> it is not like Javorskie is a carry over from the
> last staff and system. So I am a bit confused..
>
> I think Lanes slow down in the second half was do
> to the fact he hasn't played football in a couple
> years.. They say rookies tend to crash in the
> second half with the length of the NFL season they
> are not use to... Lane was out of football a
> couple years and a rookie..


We aren't a power offense. Lane made the team last year because we were a roster in transition, because we had an open roster spot, and he played well on special teams.

That spot isn't necessarily going to be open this year because we are deeper across the board. Its unlikely we keep a guy who was a project, who didn't play FB in college, who was overweight, out of shape, who ran out of gas in the 2nd half of the season in a position we aren't going to use all that often.

we now have 5 WR's and 4 TE's we can use offensively. Last year we had 2 WR's and 2 TE's. There was a roll for a FB who could only play FB on that team. Not so much on this one.

Makes sense, it should be interesting to see if they do go into the season without a lead blocker or short yardage back.. Daniel Thomas can do it but with his injuries and concussions not sure they will have a lot of confidence in him being able to fill that role.. I think good chance he might not make the cut as well..

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I think J Jerry is a lock to make the roster because of his ability to play guard or tackle, plus he appears to be in shape coming into camp.

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> I think J Jerry is a lock to make the roster
> because of his ability to play guard or tackle,
> plus he appears to be in shape coming into camp.


I like his versatility, but remember he was a fat tub of goo last year until they decided to make him take every snap and play his way onto or off the team.

What's going to happen to him when he's not starting but backing up at OT an OG?

Looks good on paper. I wonder how long its going to take for this team to gell. A lot of new faces.

3d and 1. who do you give the ball to? There is no one on your proposed roster who can reliably do that. Certainly not D Thomas. That's why I think we keep a "true" FB on the team. Hell even GB has one of those---Kuhn, who they ran all the time in short yardage situtations. And GB is supposed to be our model.

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> 3d and 1. who do you give the ball to? There is no
> one on your proposed roster who can reliably do
> that. Certainly not D Thomas. That's why I think
> we keep a "true" FB on the team. Hell even GB has
> one of those---Kuhn, who they ran all the time in
> short yardage situtations. And GB is supposed to
> be our model.


True, but Lane isn't some great FB who converts every short yardage situation.

Maybe he's in better shape this year and that changes. But based on where they finished, Clay brings far more to the table, and Egnew's upside outweigh Lane's skill set.

At least from where I sit.

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> Looks good on paper. I wonder how long its going
> to take for this team to gell. A lot of new faces.


Thats a good Point. Don't be t hard on them out of the gate and in training camp/Pre Season. They need time to get the timing down. I think that's going to be Tom Brady's biggest problem. He lost his little tiny soulmate. Time for Tanny to create his own.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looks good on paper. I wonder how long its
> going
> > to take for this team to gell. A lot of new
> faces.
>
>
> Thats a good Point. Don't be t hard on them out of
> the gate and in training camp/Pre Season. They
> need time to get the timing down. I think that's
> going to be Tom Brady's biggest problem. He lost
> his little tiny soulmate. Time for Tanny to create
> his own.

You are right about brady and i love it.....thats why we will have a big chance of winning the afc east. As long as Tannehill improves from last year that is.

I think he will

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> 3d and 1. who do you give the ball to? There is no
> one on your proposed roster who can reliably do
> that. Certainly not D Thomas. That's why I think
> we keep a "true" FB on the team. Hell even GB has
> one of those---Kuhn, who they ran all the time in
> short yardage situtations. And GB is supposed to
> be our model.


Don't discount D Thomas for shrt yardage carries, I think this team suffered last year in that area when he wasn't playing. I think the "D Thomas is a bust" talk is a little premature IMO.

True. I actually thought he had great burst when hitting the hole. He just needs to stay healthy.

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I think we would see Thigpen more in the slot instead of at RB....if he plays anything other than returner.

I would also still rank the RB's as follows....

1 Miller
2 Thomas
3 Gillisee
4 Gray

FB Lane

TE Keller, Clay, Sims

I see Gillisee on ST's mostly....may change my opinion once I get a look at him in preseason.

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I mostly agree with this list, but I'm going to have to see some serious progress from Egnew to believe he's going to make the team, and I'm not sure about Lane/Clay position- on 3rd or 4th and 1, we need a guy that can get that yard, and I don't think Clay is that guy-and, also, I'm not sure that Grimes's injury doesn't effect his usefulness- When Y. Bell tore his Achilles, he lost a lot of his cover ability- he could still hit with the best of them, but he wasn't much as a man-to-man cover guy, and he had little closing speed. Most people seem to think Grimes will recover his Pro Bowl form, but I'll have to see it.

Rick

when was the last time we went into a season where there was maybe 2-3 spots up for grabs as opposed to 15-20? remember under tony when we didn't even know till cut down day who the 6 Wrs were gonna be. They could've cut any of them and it wouldn't have made a difference.

open questions are basically:
FB
3d TE
last OL spot
5th/6th WR

not bad.

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eesti Wrote:
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> I think we would see Thigpen more in the slot
> instead of at RB....if he plays anything other
> than returner.
>
> I would also still rank the RB's as follows....
>
> 1 Miller
> 2 Thomas
> 3 Gillisee
> 4 Gray


But if you are going to keep Thigpen, then Thomas or Gray is gone.

Last year they listed thigpen as a RB, but it doesn't matter. If you want to list him the 6th WR then you only carry 3 RB's.



> FB Lane
>
> TE Keller, Clay, Sims


Could be.


>
> I see Gillisee on ST's mostly....may change my
> opinion once I get a look at him in preseason.


Guess that depends on how early and how well he picks up blitzes.

By all the accounts I've seen, that is a strength of his so he could be moving up the depth charts pretty quickly.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> I mostly agree with this list, but I'm going to
> have to see some serious progress from Egnew to
> believe he's going to make the team,

I agree. But he has the requisite skill set talent wise to be good. He just needs to learn to block better and to be tougher mentally. If he makes strides in those areas I'd keep him. But you are right, if he doesn't show progress, he goes.


> and I'm not
> sure about Lane/Clay position- on 3rd or 4th and
> 1, we need a guy that can get that yard, and I
> don't think Clay is that guy-and,


I don't think either of them is a go to guy carrying the ball or a bowling ball lead blocker.

Lane is better than Clay in those areas but no by so much that that I wouldn't rather have the versatility and mismatches Clay brings to the table.

Besides, there's more than one way to skin a cat on 4th and 1.

You can spread the field and use and H-back like clay in motion.




> also, I'm not
> sure that Grimes's injury doesn't effect his
> usefulness- When Y. Bell tore his Achilles, he
> lost a lot of his cover ability- he could still
> hit with the best of them, but he wasn't much as a
> man-to-man cover guy, and he had little closing
> speed. Most people seem to think Grimes will
> recover his Pro Bowl form, but I'll have to see
> it.


Could be that Grimes never comes back from the injury all the way.

I hope he does, because it takes the pressure off needing BOTH rookies to produce at a high level right away.

If he shows any progress in his recovery then keep him around, even if he's the 4th or 5th CB for one year.

Just a darkhorse idea..


Dont be surprised if Incognito gets cut. He is a terrible fit, and I project Dallas Thomas as a Guard, not a tackle. Philbin hates Incognito's fit in this offense and the scheme.

LT- Martin
LG- THomas
C- Pouncey
RG- Louis
RT- Clabo

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It could happen just because of the money we would save but that would be putting TWO inexperienced young players on Tannehill's blind side.

Where are you getting the info that Philbin hates Incognito in his offense?

Incog is not the best pulling guard in the NFL but he is still pretty good at it. He is also nasty and a veteran presence on the left side.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Just a darkhorse idea..
>
>
> Dont be surprised if Incognito gets cut. He is a
> terrible fit, and I project Dallas Thomas as a
> Guard, not a tackle. Philbin hates Incognito's fit
> in this offense and the scheme.
>
> LT- Martin
> LG- THomas
> C- Pouncey
> RG- Louis
> RT- Clabo


Could be A&O. Incognito's salary makes him a target to be cut at some point for sure.

But out of the OG's on our roster, we have 3 who can pull. One is a rookie, the other is FA signing coming off an ACL injury and Incognito.

It would be risky to let him go.



And btw, good to have you back posting!

What have you read or heard that makes you think Philbin "hates" Incognito in this offense? He's not quick enough to pull much, but he is relatively effective. Also, I don't believe that Philbin wants an inexperienced left side of the line. Starting a rookie and a second-year man with limited experience at the position at this level is a bit risky. I think Incognito stays at least another year.

Rick

Its not a little risky. Its BIG TIME risky.

But, Incognito is not a fit in a ZBS. Everyone knows that. I love Richie, he is a road grader.

Philbin likes lighter, more athletic lineman.

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While it would be something people say "yea, i get that move", we aren't cutting Incognito this year. Take that to the bank. No way you leave your prize QB protected with two rookies on his blind side going into this year. No way. If it happens, I'll start doubting the coach.