Crowder52 Wrote:
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> At best he was 50/50
> among the media, and they directly benefited from
> an upgraded stadium environment...

Don't drink too much of the kool-aid Crowder.

The media doesn't directly benefit from Sun-life being upgraded. As long as there is a team in S. Florida, they have jobs.

Whether or not there is an awning to protect the fans from the elements has nothing to do with them.


>
> Also this Speaker Weatherford, Ross/Dee are going
> after is from a little county north of Tampa.. The
> people in his district are probably 100 percent
> supportive of the State not helping finance a
> stadium in Miami for that is Bucs country and
> conservative country... SO Ross creating some
> political wedge between the Speaker and his
> constituents over this issue is probably slim to
> none... They are probably celebrating his courage
> with a parade all while he gained more votes..

Ross is a Republican also. Its not like he has to back a democrat to take a run at ending this guys career.

I just read a really good point about the Dolphins and the threat by Dee, they might relocate if sold and why it is total BS...
FIrst off the reason the Dolphins are worth so much money is because of the stadium and land the team owns..Most franchises do not own the stadium they play in... They are one of the only NFL franchise's where the owner actually owns the stadium... What sense or value would the team have, if you relocated the team elsewhere and this huge piece of property no longer had its biggest tenant... Why would it make any sense for Ross to kill his biggest tenant at his own property... Sure if the State or county owned the stadium the threats make sense, but to kill one of his greatest values, and make the stadium empty, would make zero sense for the guy that owns the stadium....
Pretty laughable really when you think about it... The property has value because of the Dolphins, take the DOlphins away the value is slashed.. He is a developer, he knows this...

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Thats funny, I would hope he sells the team ASAP, so south Florida can have a better partner in the owner... As I posted above, the team isnt moving, The Dolphins own the stadium and property, moving the team would destroy its value.. Because a huge part of the organizations assets is the stadium and surrounding property. The best tenant Mr Ross or the new owner could have for their property and facility is the Dolphins.. Moving them would be cutting off the nose to spite the face... It makes zero sense..

It might make sense for an owner that doesnt own his own stadium and surrounding property, to possibly move, but not the other way around.. There has never been an NFL owner who owned his own stadium to move that franchise to another city.. It isnt happening... It is almost laughable to suggest otherwise.. Use your head, it doesn't make sense on any level, other then as a threat by an emotional scorned billionaire, who has nothing else to threaten for not getting his way... So extortion is the next play, I guess... Please Mr Ross sell the team... At least the next owner would be smart enough not to make such an illogical threat... I am willing to bet what ever amount of money you want that the DOlphins are not going anywhere, whether Ross owns them or not.. It kills the value of what is actually owned...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Thats funny, I would hope he sells the team ASAP,
> so south Florida can have a better partner in the
> owner...


haha. There isn't an owner in the league who has offered a more fair stadium deal to his city, and most of them will never host a Super Bowl. They are just paying for the honor of having a team represent their city.

He's also poured more money into his team than any other owner since he's been in the league.

Do you think guys like that grow on trees?

Sure you may get someone who doesn't want to associate with celebrities or would be savy enough to bypass the orange carpet idea, or even pick a better logo.

But you aren't going to find many uber rich guys who's first priority isn't money.









> As I posted above, the team isnt moving,
> The Dolphins own the stadium and property, moving
> the team would destroy its value.. Because a huge
> part of the organizations assets is the stadium
> and surrounding property. The best tenant Mr Ross
> or the new owner could have for their property and
> facility is the Dolphins.. Moving them would be
> cutting off the nose to spite the face... It makes
> zero sense..



Ross isn't moving the team. He's said that over and over.


But you are missing the boat if you think moving a team to another city will destroy its value.

it all comes down to the stadium deal they get on the other end.

If its LA and the new owner gets a sweetheart deal that nets more than he looses selling the properties in S.Florida then he doesn't destroy anything. He improves the value of his team. And FYI, no owner moves unless they are getting a better deal than they have now.


heck, they could hang onto the properties in S. Florida for a few years to see if another team looks to fill the void in Miami.




>
> It might make sense for an owner that doesnt own
> his own stadium and surrounding property, to
> possibly move, but not the other way around..
> There has never been an NFL owner who owned his
> own stadium to move that franchise to another
> city.. It isnt happening... It is almost laughable
> to suggest otherwise.. Use your head, it doesn't
> make sense on any level, other then as a threat by
> an emotional scorned billionaire, who has nothing
> else to threaten for not getting his way


That's the snap shot today. But if you use your head, things change.

SunLife stadium is a depreciating asset. If they don't put any money into upgrading it, eventually its not going to be worth squat.

The more it depreciates, the faster moving onto a better situation becomes viable.

As for the land, that will always have value. Even after the Dolphins have moved off of it.


Just and example: If the Stadium and Land are worth 300M now and LA comes along offering 50% ownership in a $1-1.5B stadium whats the better deal?

Staying in a depreciating asset in S.Florida with no community support?

Or moving to LA, adding $500-750M in equity (or more) to your bottom line, plus the new revenue streams associated with moving, and the money from selling your depreciating assets in S.Florida?

Do you really think it doesn't make financial sense for an owner to move the Dolphins in the next 3-7 years if such an opportunity presents itself?

Right now you have an owner who isn't about the $. He's a fan willing to overpay to win in Miami.

And you want him to sell...


Part of me hope he does sell and they do move to LA. Fans like you deserve nothing less.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> That was an entirely different bill. The
> referendum on the bed tax in Miami-Dade had
> nothing to do with those other facilities and
> teams.
>
>
> Lumping them all together is just spin. its
> political cover for a bad decision to rob the
> people of the right to decide for themselves.


What I posted was the ESPn reporters take and words, not that of any politician trying to spin.. The issues were intertwined, from the senate bill..

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> haha. There isn't an owner in the league who has
> offered a more fair stadium deal to his city, and
> most of them will never host a Super Bowl.

Robert Kraft built Gillete Stadium privately in 2002..

> Ross isn't moving the team. He's said that over
> and over.

I said Ross or the new owner...
.
> And FYI, no owner moves unless they are getting a
> better deal than they have now.

Exactly why the arent moving, you said it yourself.. Ross owns the stadium, he is not going to get a better deal then that without spending a billion dollars...

> heck, they could hang onto the properties in S.
> Florida for a few years to see if another team
> looks to fill the void in Miami.

Yeah that is brilliant business plan

> That's the snap shot today. But if you use your
> head, things change.
>
> SunLife stadium is a depreciating asset. If they
> don't put any money into upgrading it, eventually
> its not going to be worth squat.
>
> The more it depreciates, the faster moving onto a
> better situation becomes viable.

Yeah because it makes sense for the owner of the asset to eventually let it be worth squat... You keep missing the boat, Mr Ross owns the asset, not anybody else.. Having it depreciate hurts him more then anyone else
>
> As for the land, that will always have value.
> Even after the Dolphins have moved off of it.

Sure but never close to the value it has while having the Miami Dolphins as its tenant... It is not like we are talking about prime real estate..

> Part of me hope he does sell and they do move to
> LA. Fans like you deserve nothing less.

So now the true motive of your argument comes out

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Robert Kraft built Gillete Stadium privately in
> 2002..

That was a decade ago and only after plans to build larger facilities in Boston, Hartford and even Providence (with public monies) fell through.

Then there's the fact that it was not a facility that was built to attract Super Bowls.

Its an apples to oranges comparison.

And even so...Kraft looked into moving to THREE different cities before he settled on being the king of foxborough.






>
> > Ross isn't moving the team. He's said that
> over
> > and over.
>
> I said Ross or the new owner...


Yes. Which is an attempt to smear by association.

New ower could move.

Ross has repeatedly said he won't.

How does that put them on equal footing in your eyes?



>
> Exactly why the arent moving, you said it
> yourself.. Ross owns the stadium, he is not going
> to get a better deal then that without spending a
> billion dollars...


You do realize he can sell his properties in S. Florida...right?

That if he nets more equity in the new deal than he loses in that sale its a good business model, right?



>
> Yeah because it makes sense for the owner of the
> asset to eventually let it be worth squat... You
> keep missing the boat, Mr Ross owns the asset, not
> anybody else.. Having it depreciate hurts him more
> then anyone else


He's already taking a loss on the team.


Do you think he can't make use of that as a tax write off in his vast business empire? besides...We aren't talking about him moving the team.

He's not going to.

We are talking about the guy who buys the team from him. That guy isn't going to be married to the facility the way you like to think Ross is because he'll be buying it from Ross for pennies on the dollar. That is if the facility isn't upgraded. And we all knbow that's not happening now, and who's to blame for that.



>
> Sure but never close to the value it has while
> having the Miami Dolphins as its tenant... It is
> not like we are talking about prime real estate..



Whomever moves the team doesn't have to make a profit on the land. The sale of that is factored into the overall equation. If he gets a sweet deal on another facility that more than offsets the "loss" on the current property he's be a fool to stay.


>
> > Part of me hope he does sell and they do move
> to
> > LA. Fans like you deserve nothing less.
>
> So now the true motive of your argument comes out



Really?

You think that's my "true motive" for a discussion on this subject?

I would LOVE to see Ross look into moving the Phins else where in Florida. He has Ties to Sea world. he is a world class developer. There are Huge quantities of open land out in central Florida. Start an infrastructure. Create communities, Transportation, schools, jobs , Hotels. It could be the best Superbowl destination in the NFL. Orlando Dolphins. It would be awesome.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I would LOVE to see Ross look into moving the
> Phins else where in Florida. He has Ties to Sea
> world. he is a world class developer. There are
> Huge quantities of open land out in central
> Florida. Start an infrastructure. Create
> communities, Transportation, schools, jobs ,
> Hotels. It could be the best Superbowl destination
> in the NFL. Orlando Dolphins. It would be
> awesome.


That's an interesting idea that I never thought of before, wouldn't all three florida teams be relatively close to each other? and wouldn't it be the same politicians approving the funding?

THE Truth wrote
>
>
>
> Responded in the other thread.
>
> you just don't get it.
>
>
> Or maybe you just don't want to get it.


Truth to the contrary you just don't get it and obviously you just don't want to get it with your argument on the matter.. It makes zero sense to move the team, Ross and everybody else know this.. The fact that you are buying it is pretty ridiculous.. Even Ross and Dee know it is BS and just a manipulation to attack the politicians who didn't give them tax payer dollars.. You are just acting gullable enough to buy the BS they don't honestly believe themselves.. Talk about dedication...lol

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dolphaholic Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would LOVE to see Ross look into moving the
> > Phins else where in Florida. He has Ties to Sea
> > world. he is a world class developer. There are
> > Huge quantities of open land out in central
> > Florida. Start an infrastructure. Create
> > communities, Transportation, schools, jobs ,
> > Hotels. It could be the best Superbowl
> destination
> > in the NFL. Orlando Dolphins. It would be
> > awesome.
>
>
> That's an interesting idea that I never thought of
> before, wouldn't all three florida teams be
> relatively close to each other? and wouldn't it be
> the same politicians approving the funding?


Yes. That's why I was saying I'd wish the Jags would head West. Give us the whole East part of the state and then some. With the amount of Homes/schools/jobs and tax's created by the project the politician's couldn't refuse.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I bet you people would had agreed if they put a nudie bar on top of the roof.

I would had voted yes.

Instead they send me the absent vallet and i ripped it to pieces.

They must have seen the new logo and thought Sea World wanted the money.

badlogo Wrote:
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> They must have seen the new logo and thought Sea
> World wanted the money.


LOL. I said the same thing. Someone check and see if this guy has the same IP address as me. Maybe I'm going nuts.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Weatherford is lying. He cozied up to the former House Speaker, moved into his garage apt and married his lobyist daughter so he could get into the business. You can bet he has some other shady side deal with another company that wants those dollars.

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