I think that's the case. He'd be the top rated QB by far and those guys always go #1

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Parson me but what a totally ridiculous bunch of nonsense. I mean... even if its true it's totally irrelevant.

If Luck was in this draft he'd be #1 (again).

Or if Russell Wilson was in the draft he'd be #1.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

I would not rate Tanny as the #1 based on his last year of college ball.

If he could go 8 in a year w luck and rg3 he could easily go 1 overall this year. Not hindsight

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BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Parson me but what a totally ridiculous bunch of
> nonsense. I mean... even if its true it's totally
> irrelevant.
>
> If Luck was in this draft he'd be #1 (again).
>
> Or if Russell Wilson was in the draft he'd be #1.
>
> Hindsight is always 20/20.


Precisely. BNF is the greatest wag in history but let me translate and prove him right to those below his post who disagree.


There are two ways of looking at the question. Whether Tanny would be no. 1 based on what people now know, which is totally irrelevant because, as BNF points out, both Luck and Russell Wilson AND Peyton Manning or Dan Marino would also be if they came out this year.

The second way to look at it is whether Tannehill of the April 2012 draft would have been no. 1 now and THAT is even questionable.

While some of you point out that this is a weak class, you must remember that Barkley would have gone number 2 last year.

But more importantly, despite another year in college, the same nagging questions about Tannehill, a converted wide receiver with little quarterback experience, would be there in this draft.

ALSO REMEMBER that Tanny went at no. 8 BECAUSE HE WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIRED BY TWO TEAMS, the Dolphins and the Cleveland Browns.

BUT FOR those two teams maybe he doesn't get drafted until the third round.

It's beautiful we got him and I am so jazzed that FOR THE SECOND TIME IN HISTORY, THE DOLPHINS LUCKED OUT that he turned out to be such a great player (the first being that nobody took Dan Marino until after 5 other quarterbacks IN THE FIRST ROUND before we took him as the SIXTH quarterback in 1983.)

You can take this in a million different directions, how about I am not sure Tannehill would have even started this year, had he stayed at A&M... His replacement won the Heisman and beat the National champs as a redshirt freshman while competing against much tougher compeition in the SEC....
or
How about the same could have been said about Barkley had he come out last year.... But we all know how that worked out when he actually played out his senior season... To many variable to make such a ridiculous claim..

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LOL. Its HYPE aimed to sell seats in the preseason. But I like to hear Positive Hype about the Phins for a change.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Right, Crowder. Had Barkley come out LAST year, where would Tanny have been drafted THEN?

He certainly would have been rated HIGHER than Tannehill.


And also, like you said Crowder, I doubt Tannehill would have played QB at TAM in the 2012-2013 season. He probably would have been moved back to wide receiver.

the hype re barkley last season was before any of the workouts. after the workouts RG3 exploded up the charts. He wasn't even considered a 1st rounder in late 2011.
the main knock on barkley is lack of arm strengh and accuracy, after the workouts he'd have fallen down the draft board. You can't got by what people say about a prospect in December (which was right before Barkley said he wasn't going pro) and then say that is what his evaluation would've been in March and April.

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> You can take this in a million different
> directions, how about I am not sure Tannehill
> would have even started this year, had he stayed
> at A&M... His replacement won the Heisman and beat
> the National champs as a redshirt freshman while
> competing against much tougher compeition in the
> SEC....
> or
> How about the same could have been said about
> Barkley had he come out last year.... But we all
> know how that worked out when he actually played
> out his senior season... To many variable to make
> such a ridiculous claim..


No offense to Johnny Football, but if Tannehill is at Tex A&M this past year as a Senior he is almost assuredly the starter.

He was good enough to be the 8th pick in the first round last year. Its highly unlikely that a red shirt freshman was going to beat him out.

Most coaches aren't in any rush to play a Freshman QB when they have a veteran. They really only have to look back to Drew Henson's miserable career at Michigan to realize its not worth rushing a kid when you already have an excellent QB.

Manziel wasn't hailed as the next great thing until mid way through the season. It took time for him to develop.

If Tannehill is there taking away practice time all spring and Summer, Manziel never gets on the field. Lucky for him RT was busy getting drafted by the Dolphins.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> the hype re barkley last season was before any of
> the workouts. after the workouts RG3 exploded up
> the charts. He wasn't even considered a 1st
> rounder in late 2011.
> the main knock on barkley is lack of arm strengh
> and accuracy, after the workouts he'd have fallen
> down the draft board. You can't got by what people
> say about a prospect in December (which was right
> before Barkley said he wasn't going pro) and then
> say that is what his evaluation would've been in
> March and April.


Once the off-season started and players had to declare there wasn't anyone out there who had Barkley going over RG3. Earlier in the season BEFORE they posted the seasons they did, but after the bowl season ended...RG3 was vying for the top spot. barkley and Tannehill would have been vying or the 3rd spot.

Its possible Barkely would have gone ahead of Tannehill becasue some felt he was the prototype for Holmgren's offense in Cleveland and they picked before us.

But if cleveland didn't take him he'd have fallen past 8.

When the College football season opened this year Barkley was the number 1 rated draft prospect... By the time the season was over it was a different story..
I am honestly not sure if Tannehill would have beaten out Manziel, maybe that is why he came out early. He worried what being benched his senior year for a redshirt freshman might do to his draft stock..He might have fallen into the third had that happened... So he was forced to come out early... Gil Brandt knows better then to make a foolish claim like that, obviously he is not an honest broker on the guy making ridiculous "willy wonka" statements like that...

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THE Truth Wrote:
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>
>
> No offense to Johnny Football, but if Tannehill is
> at Tex A&M this past year as a Senior he is almost
> assuredly the starter.
>
> He was good enough to be the 8th pick in the first
> round last year. Its highly unlikely that a red
> shirt freshman was going to beat him out.
>
I disagree, new coaches, new system, new conference, and obviously with the talent to be the first freshman in history to win the Heisman, you can not say Tannehill would have beaten him out. That is as ridiculous as Brandts claims... The best player plays, and if Manziel won the Heisman, that is saying he is the best player in all of college football, but you have the arrogance about Tannehill to say he would have been better...lol...

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> Manziel wasn't hailed as the next great thing
> until mid way through the season. It took time
> for him to develop.
>

Manziel opened the season 5-1, with his only loss a 3 point loss to the top 3 rated Gators in the opener...
his passer rating were 125.1, 160.8, 197.6, 202, 124.4, and 162.7 in those first 6 games

Manziel 3706 yards 26 TD's 9 Int 68 cmp% 155.3 passer rating for the season 11 wins 2 losses. The only losses UF and LSU all season...2 of the best teams in the country ranked in top 5

Tannehill 3744 yards 29 TD's 15 INT 61.6cmp%, 133.2 passer rating for his last season in college 7 wins 6 losses

Among common opponents Manziel was able to beat Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma, all teams RT lost to.. RT never had to play the teams Manziel lost to... Against the national champs and best defense in football Manziel went 24 for 31 253 yards cpm% 77.4 2 TDs with a passer rating of 167.3 and 92 rushing yards

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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>
> > Manziel wasn't hailed as the next great thing
> > until mid way through the season. It took
> time
> > for him to develop.
> >
>
> Manziel opened the season 5-1, with his only loss
> a 3 point loss to the top 3 rated Gators in the
> opener...
> his passer rating were 125.1, 160.8, 197.6, 202,
> 124.4, and 162.7 in those first 6 games
>
> Manziel 3706 yards 26 TD's 9 Int 68 cmp% 155.3
> passer rating for the season 11 wins 2 losses. The
> only losses UF and LSU all season...2 of the best
> teams in the country ranked in top 5
>
> Tannehill 3744 yards 29 TD's 15 INT 61.6cmp%,
> 133.2 passer rating for his last season in college
> 7 wins 6 losses


All true, and none of it changes the fact that the if Tannehill had gone back there for one more year he'd have gotten all the snaps and practice reps as a Senior over a red shirt freshman.

Unless you are going to claim that Manziel didn't improve in spring and summer practices leading into this season and he was ready to go win the Heisman the day Tannehill took his last snap.

Its not a knock on Manziel, he's a terrific talent. But Tannehill is no slouch.

Nobody knew last Summer what Manziel was going to do, let alone last spring when they were doling out practice reps.

Is it possible he could have forced RT to the bench?? Sure. But its unlikely he'd have gotten a fair shot, let alone been able to pull it off with out the benefit of getting all or most of the practice reps or he's have done it the year before...wouldn't he?

I just think you can no more claim Tannehill would have been the number 1 pick then you can claim Tannehill would have beat arguably the most talented redshirt freshman in the history of college football... Tannehill is no slouch but Manziel is the best history has ever seen at his age... Had the coaches started Tannehill over Manziel, it would have obviously been a mistake... FOr the coaches to do what they did this year in the SEC, I give them more credit then you do, that they would have made the right call on starting Manziel.. Had Sherman stayed the coach then a better shot, but the new coaches had no loyalty to RT, and he didnt have any edge because they were both learning new systems.. with 6 losses RT play certainly didnt solidify his starting job...

IMO To many variables to make either claim and Gil Brandt knows this...

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> Right...I get it.
>
>
> So many variables there's no way to say anything
> other than starting Tannehill would have been a
> mistake. Sure.


I didnt think that was even a question... It is like saying it would not have been a mistake to keep playing Bledsoe instead of starting Brady...

If the original starter went 7-6 unranked, coach fired.. And the new young guy comes in against much tougher competition then the original starter, goes 11-2 beats the National Champs and wins the Heisman. Beats 3 teams your original starter couldnt beat the year before and only loses to 2 of the top teams in the country.. Is it even a question, that had they not started Manziel it would have been a mistake... The replacement as a redshirt freshman was voted the best player in all of college football and the first redshirt freshman in the entire history of college football to win it.. I mean come on.... This is not a knock on Tannehill, as you said he is no slouch but when he was Manziel age he couldnt even get the job as a 3rd string QB on the team... Manziel's play at the position wins the Heisman as a Qb against SEC defenses...

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There's no way to predict where Barkley would have been drafted last year. Things tend to change after the combine and teams would have been questioning his arm strength after his workouts...as they are all doing now.

Sherman was so adept as a head coach and identifying talent that he chose (undrafted) Jerrod Johnson and Stephen McGee over Ryan Tannehill. One is in the United Football League and the other was a 4th round project QB who was cut before the season started last year. Way too identify talent!

That's two coaches (Sherman and Franchione) that passed over RT....and they were both fired. What would have happened had Tannehill gotten the start as a freshman or sophomore? He's most likely more seasoned once the 2010 and 2011 season comes around and more prepared to play....and possibly in the discussion for the 1st overall pick in 2012.

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > Right...I get it.
> >
> >
> > So many variables there's no way to say
> anything
> > other than starting Tannehill would have been a
> > mistake. Sure.
>
>
> I didnt think that was even a question... It is
> like saying it would not have been a mistake to
> keep playing Bledsoe instead of starting Brady...
>
> If the original starter went 7-6 unranked, coach
> fired.. And the new young guy comes in against
> much tougher competition then the original
> starter, goes 11-2 beats the National Champs and
> wins the Heisman. Beats 3 teams your original
> starter couldnt beat the year before and only
> loses to 2 of the top teams in the country.. Is it
> even a question, that had they not started Manziel
> it would have been a mistake... The replacement as
> a redshirt freshman was voted the best player in
> all of college football and the first redshirt
> freshman in the entire history of college football
> to win it.. I mean come on.... This is not a
> knock on Tannehill, as you said he is no slouch
> but when he was Manziel age he couldnt even get
> the job as a 3rd string QB on the team...
> Manziel's play at the position wins the Heisman as
> a Qb against SEC defenses...

Nobody is knocking Manziel. Just pointing out that coaches go with EXPERIENCE when you have two good players. that there is every reason to expect a new coach, who didn't recruit either kid, to go with the more experienced player when presented with to similar skill sets (both top 10 type draft picks).

Everything you said about Manziel is true but its also 20/20 hindsight. Something the new staff there wouldn't have had access to.

The odds are that Tannehill would have gotten the bulk of the practice time which would have retarded Manziel's development.

its not a new concept.

Brady blocked Drew Henson, perhaps the most highly touted QB prospect in the last 25 years.

How many NFL caliber guys at Miami had to sit a year or two in the 80's because there was an older guy in front of them.

Thill has some good lookin' chops but -- for gods sakes -- why don't we let things play out a bit before we go off the deep end.

For now we can all agree -- if the kid puts his game together and lights it up we absolutely made the right choice in taking him and Philbin Ireland Sherman are golden. But -- nothin' has been proven at this point.

I disagree. Tanny has only been held back by the Teammates that surrounded him last year. Dan Marino stepped onto a Superbowl caliber team his first season. I won't say he is the better QB then Luck or RGIII. But I think Tanny proved beyond a shadow of doubt that he can be a great QB in this league. What needs to play out and hasn't been proven is , can Philbin and his staff put him in a position to win? Even the great Don Shula failed at that task with arguably the best pure passer to ever play the game. Thas what tim will tell. You can have the fastest car in the world, does not mean squat if you don't have a great driver.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Im the biggest tannehill homer but saying he would go 1st over all in the first round this year is going too far.

Id understand saying that if he had a better year like luck did....and took his team to the playoffs...

At times he showed some flashes and at other times he struggled....

PS. If we can upgrade the OL.....and with the new changes......i think he is going to have a terrific year.....we'll see.

1. We have some good receivers now that hartline our number one receiver last year becomes the third option.

2. We signed a good receiving TEnd....

3. Lamar miller will carrie the load....He showed some potential as a rookie....

4. FB Javorskie lane is a beat blocking

5. We have a future superstar center at the OL............build around him...


PS2. No more excuses for Tannehill...

The only way i give him a passing grade this year if he strugles is if the OL doesnt give him time and he is getting killed back there.

GO PHINS.

It's easy to say something like that. Take on a scale an assortment of college QB's who haven't played an NFL down and compare them to Tannehill who we have plenty of NFL tape on, and the choice would be simple to make. A future franchise QB in the making versus an unsure gamble? Kind of a no duh statement in my opinion.

I forgot the draft....If we can hit on at least 3 players that contribute this year we are a playoff team in 2013.


Players that need to contribute from the draft bigtime for this team to improve:

in order of need.

1. CB we need to draft one that becomes good as soon as he hits the field.

2. OL Need to draft a stud LT to cover tannehills blind side......Maybe in the first round.

IMO these 2 positions are the 2 positions we need to hit in the draft bigtime...

Wr is no longer a huge need but id be nice to get one in the first 2 rounds....we have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds....OT - CB - WR.

After that i wish they concentrate on a pass rushing DE...

We have a ammunition to get way better than last year..

If we do not get better they need to fire somebody in the front office or get some new scouts .....

And IRELAND will be in the HOT seat.

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Im the biggest tannehill homer but saying he would
> go 1st over all in the first round this year is
> going too far.
>
> Id understand saying that if he had a better year
> like luck did....and took his team to the
> playoffs...

So Tannehill could have bee 1st overall if he took the Dolphins to the playoffs?

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eesti Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > Im the biggest tannehill homer but saying he
> would
> > go 1st over all in the first round this year is
> > going too far.
> >
> > Id understand saying that if he had a better
> year
> > like luck did....and took his team to the
> > playoffs...
>
> So Tannehill could have bee 1st overall if he took
> the Dolphins to the playoffs?

Well at least they would have something to hold on to when they said he could had been a number one this year.

Right now whoever said that is walking a tight rope with vaseline on it.

Actuall "they" is probably me since I said he COULD have been in the discussion IF he had played earlier, before his less talented teammates.

I was just playing along. I thought this was the "speculation" thread.

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