who's left? who should we sign? does sean smith come crawling back?

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

What happened to Revis, Berk?

Sean smith is in trouble...he will come crawling back...

Too many good corners available...

Talib,cromartie, Nandi asumgua, Sheldon brown, Cason,Gamble,grimes, jammer,Winfield ...etc

Way to many good ones available

Let him go! Can't cover or catch

Restructure patterson before we take Smith back

cox signed with SD

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

S Smith just signed a 3 yr deal with KC
not sure how much longer we can wait to sign someone, guys have begun signing w other teams

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

looks like Smith is signing with the Chiefs.

I would now like to pick up maybe Talib, and draft Xavier at 12.

I feel like that would be at least a very solid improvement to our back end D.

I've said all along I'm not excited about losing Smith. It's definitely a step backward for this team IMO -- but I guess the kid could only see dollar $igns and that was the basis of his decision.

My issue is we're losing a very young talent -- albeit inconsistent -- and I was hoping this staff could really develop his talents in a positive way. We'll never know now...

With Smith and Davis gone we're pretty much back to square one -- and its obvious CB is the 2nd hardest position on an NFL roster to solve -- so we've got to spend some significant draft capital in the same position all over again. That's what bothers me -- the inability to solve a positional need year after year. No wonder this team just keeps spinning its wheels...

Oh well.

Smith was always a guy with tons of potential and very little production. Honestly, I doubt it will be difficult to replace someone who has been at best slightly above average. The trick is to replace him with someone who is a shut down corner. Easier said than done. Wouldn't hurt whoever plays corner if we could add someone other than Cam who can chase down QBs.

I don't want to be locked into taking a CB in the 1st. Millner is the only one worth taking and he'll be long gone. I really want to sign some CBs so we can take BPA in the draft. If we go into the draft "forced" to pick a starting CBs we are in trouble....

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

I wish Smith well. He had hands of stone but hey that's why he played cb. I thought he was a good cb but sometimes he had to hold on to his coverage to long.

YahooSports.com reports the Smith contract is three-years for $18 million with $11 million guaranteed.

...we're definitely taking CBs (plural) in this draft and right now it's a GLARING need -- so #1 is certainly in play.

That's part of the BS here I don't like. We couldn't work out a short term deal with Smith (as hedge and safeguard) and draft CB to develop as opposed to being fleeced at the position and now running around naked (and probably a bit chilly and) aware of the obvious exposure! I mean who's the GM here?

If this was our "plan" then WHY the fock didn't we draft a quality CB last April in anticipation of this happening?

Whatever. I'm just fundamentally not in agreement with losing Smith at 25 years old... Just a total waste of 2nd round talent.



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A a big void on CB now. Smith never reached the level of performance the Fins had hoped for out of a 2nd round pick. He wasn't a bust exactly, but never rose above being a C+ player. He clearly was no ball hawk. Perhaps, he'll perform at a higher level with the Chiefs.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> ...we're definitely taking CBs (plural) in this
> draft and right now it's a GLARING need -- so #1
> is certainly in play.
>
> That's part of the BS here I don't like. We
> couldn't work out a short term deal with Smith (as
> hedge and safeguard) and draft CB to develop as
> opposed to being fleeced at the position and now
> running around naked (and probably a bit chilly
> and) aware of the obvious exposure! I mean who's
> the GM here?
>
> If this was our "plan" then WHY the fock didn't we
> draft a quality CB last April in anticipation of
> this happening?
>
> Whatever. I'm just fundamentally not in agreement
> with losing Smith at 25 years old... Just a total
> waste of 2nd round talent.

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Smith is no longer in Miami because of his contract demands, not because he wasn't a good CB.

True, he was inconsistent and definitely not a shut down corner, but he could hold down the fort. KC may regret the money they gave him.

Miami has already spent big bucks in FA, with a few more players coming in to get the once-over. The good CBs that are still on the market will be demanding a good pay day. Can Miami afford them?

Long is (probably) going to sign with the Rams. I am surprised to hear nothing about Miami looking at linemen, i.e., Winston.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I've said all along I'm not excited about losing
> Smith. It's definitely a step backward for this
> team IMO -- but I guess the kid could only see
> dollar $igns and that was the basis of his
> decision.
>
> My issue is we're losing a very young talent --
> albeit inconsistent -- and I was hoping this staff
> could really develop his talents in a positive
> way. We'll never know now...
>
> With Smith and Davis gone we're pretty much back
> to square one -- and its obvious CB is the 2nd
> hardest position on an NFL roster to solve -- so
> we've got to spend some significant draft capital
> in the same position all over again. That's what
> bothers me -- the inability to solve a positional
> need year after year. No wonder this team just
> keeps spinning its wheels...
>
> Oh well.

I think if the staff thought it could develop his talents so they matched his physical gifts, he'd still be here.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I think if the staff thought it could develop his
> talents so they matched his physical gifts, he'd
> still be here.
>
> Well that's the ONLY logical conclusion we can
> make at this point.
>
> And the outcome of that depends entirely on the
> competency of those making the decision.
> Historically speaking, the odds are we get it
> wrong more that right.
>
> But yea. I hear you. Its a new regime and they're
> blowing up the roster as they see fit. But these
> kind of "rebuilding exercises" have been WRONG
> pretty much throughout the entire NFL.
>
> The consistent teams acquire and develop talent
> through the draft and use FA to fill in once in a
> while.

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Understood, BNF, but Miami has so many holes to fill that they are trying to do it thru FA by getting the guys who have NFL experience and "should" be able to start right away.

The rookies are a gamble; all any NFL exec knows about the guy is on film and the combine. Too many rookies fail for the NFL to be able to count on the draft alone to fill the roster.

If the FA pieces Miami has signed, and may be signing soon, can plug those holes, then the draft(s) will be Miami's ticket to the championship.

Ireland better swing like 750 or better (!) this draft or we're behind the 8ball all over again.

There are a lot of holes to fill AND we need more impact players.

We need 6-7 very solid rookies making the roster with 3-4 major players. It's a tall order but its about time Ireland produces the golden goose.

Of course. I'm not a frustrated Dolphin fan sitting here remembering the upteen times in the past when we crapped our pants and missed talent like a blind drunk flying a UFO prototype @mach 11 (give or take a few miles per second -- know what I mean?).

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Ireland better swing like 750 or better (!) this
> draft or we're behind the 8ball all over again.
>
> There are a lot of holes to fill AND we need more
> impact players.
>
> We need 6-7 very solid rookies making the roster
> with 3-4 major players. It's a tall order but its
> about time Ireland produces the golden goose.
>
> Of course. I'm not a frustrated Dolphin fan
> sitting here remembering the upteen times in the
> past when we crapped our pants and missed talent
> like a blind drunk flying a UFO prototype @mach 11
> (give or take a few miles per second -- know what
> I mean?).

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I know what you mean.

I also agree that Ireland has to hit this year. This is the year he has a great opportunity to do so (5 picks in the first 3 rounds). He MUST hit on at least two of those picks (starters) with the other 3 at least contributing.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I think if the staff thought it could develop his
> talents so they matched his physical gifts, he'd
> still be here.
>
> Well that's the ONLY logical conclusion we can
> make at this point.
>
> And the outcome of that depends entirely on the
> competency of those making the decision.
> Historically speaking, the odds are we get it
> wrong more that right.

Only if you are speaking about Ireland.

Coyle knows what type of CB's he needs to make his system perform.

Its not like Smith broke the banke with $12mill a year. If Coyle was in his corner he'd still be a Dolphin for the $6 mill a year that he got.


>
> But yea. I hear you. Its a new regime and they're
> blowing up the roster as they see fit. But these
> kind of "rebuilding exercises" have been WRONG
> pretty much throughout the entire NFL.
>
> The consistent teams acquire and develop talent
> through the draft and use FA to fill in once in a
> while.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Its not like we throwing away picks on other teams headcases. We are stockpiling picks. We want to build through the draft. But if you want to ONLY build through the draft then its a 4 year process.

if you want results faster than that you fill needs at reasonable prices through FA so you can draft BPA and not be forced to fill needs with lesser players in the draft.

Besides, it would be criminal to have 40 mill in cap space and NOT use it because you were committed to just building through the draft.

This isn't a philosophical thing. We are doing this the right way. Its a matter of competency when it comes to identifying talent.

I understand if people don't think Ireland is the guy for the job, but that doesn't change the fact that he's the guy doing the job.

I've been encouraged by his actions since Parcells left.

He's made some smart trades and acquisitions.

He's avoided overpaying for re-tread QB's.

His draft last year was terrific, including a 1st round franchise type QB prospect.

He's stockpiled picks for this year.

He's manged the cap very well.

He's done a very good job in free agency this year.

None of that guarantees he gets the job done, but he's definitely trending in the right direction.



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The reason we have so much $$$ is because we have so many free agents -- and the reason we has so many free agents is because???

If our drafting was really hitting the mark we'd be more focused on our own organic talent than paying top dollar in the open bid market.

So this offseason is akin to spring cleaning when we let loose of our of accumulated trash and hope we import quality merchandise into the house as opposed to more junk.

One potential snag as I see it. The present "head of the household" is the same mother who accumulated the trash to begin with -- but then I guess you're saying that's before the "divorce" and Biggie T left town.

Oh such a ruse to believe in.

Time will surely tell. But for prophylactic sakes I'm stocking up on some Vaseline. And I recommend you do the same.

LOL.



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Armando Salguero ?@ArmandoSalguero

Jeff Ireland not troubled by loss of Smith: "We knew where we were if we lost Sean. We’re not panicking. We’ve got a great plan in place."

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