I think Soliai fits just fine. He is a space eating DT who can also play NT. Most 4-3 defenses have an under and an over tackle. One eating up blockers and the other usually a quicker DT with some pass rushing ability.

It seems to me that the rest of the players (you mentioned) biggest problem is they are just inconsistent and/or underachieving.

I think Odrick is a fit as a 4-3 DT who could take over Starks position but he is just not as good as Starks (so far). He is playing out of position as the weak side end (in base D), opposite Wake (as you stated). He did play better at years end.

Misi seems to be a better fit in the 4-3. He played pretty well at 43 OLB until he got hurt. He also lined up at DE (out of position) this year in passing situations, alternating with Vernon, I believe.

Bess just doesn't have the physical skills to play outside and is probably not a fit in this offense that wants all WR's to be able to line up anywhere. He is not equipped to play outside because he can't get open on the intermediate and deep routes.

Incog is just inconsistent but how much of that is due to the struggles of our LT's? Maybe we need a better fit at LG (Levitre) with Incog moving to RG. He has pulling ability and that would give us two guards and a center who can pull.

Maybe the misfit is John Jerry, who is huge and may be a better RT or an option for a trade to a man blocking team.

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Soliai is not a classic 4-3 DT. Taking on double teams is not a big part of the 4-3. With 4 D-linemen, the offense can only double team one guy. And it's not always the same one. A NT in the 3-4 has to take on double teams on every play. That's not the case in the 4-3. A pure 4-3 DT is a guy who can stay on the field for all 3 downs. That's not Soliai. He rushed the passer 100 more times in 2012 than he did in 2011, and he's just not effective at it. What saves him is that he is really quite athletic for a huge guy. So, he still managed to be a solid player for us. But, he's still not a perfect fit in a 4-3. In 2012, Soliai's cap # was just about $4M. That was a good deal. In 2013, it goes up to $8M. Is that justifiable for a guy who comes off the field in most passing situations? In a 3-4, NTs are hard to find, and you can justify paying them. In a 4-3, it's hard to justify that amount of money for a guy who doesn't rush the passer. Is he on the team in 2014? I would lean against it. Maybe, but only if he agrees to an extension that lowers that cap # by a substantial amount.

eesti Wrote:
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> I think Soliai fits just fine. He is a space
> eating DT who can also play NT. Most 4-3 defenses
> have an under and an over tackle. One eating up
> blockers and the other usually a quicker DT with
> some pass rushing ability.
>
> It seems to me that the rest of the players (you
> mentioned) biggest problem is they are just
> inconsistent and/or underachieving.
>
> I think Odrick is a fit as a 4-3 DT who could take
> over Starks position but he is just not as good as
> Starks (so far). He is playing out of position as
> the weak side end (in base D), opposite Wake (as
> you stated). He did play better at years end.
>
> Misi seems to be a better fit in the 4-3. He
> played pretty well at 43 OLB until he got hurt. He
> also lined up at DE (out of position) this year in
> passing situations, alternating with Vernon, I
> believe.
>
> Bess just doesn't have the physical skills to play
> outside and is probably not a fit in this offense
> that wants all WR's to be able to line up
> anywhere. He is not equipped to play outside
> because he can't get open on the intermediate and
> deep routes.
>
> Incog is just inconsistent but how much of that is
> due to the struggles of our LT's? Maybe we need a
> better fit at LG (Levitre) with Incog moving to
> RG. He has pulling ability and that would give us
> two guards and a center who can pull.
>
> Maybe the misfit is John Jerry, who is huge and
> may be a better RT or an option for a trade to a
> man blocking team.

Odrick is a classic 3-4 DE. As a 4-3 DT, he needs to be much more stout against the run than he has shown thus far.

Bess would be fine in the slot if we had two fast WRs on the outside. But, the last few years, the lack of speed outside is compounded by Bess inside. If they really want interchangeable WRs, then Bess is not a great fit. And I've been saying that for a year now.

Incognito is not a good pulling guard. Not at all. RG is the easiest position to fill on the line. The RG rarely gets asked to pull, and he almost never faces quality pass rushers. It is the position on the line that coaches and personnel guys worry about filling the least (see Rex Hadnot, Donald Thomas, etc). Incognito was a RG his entire career before coming to Miami. If he had been a good pulling G, he'd have been a LG. It's a more valuable position. It's like, if you have a guy who is really fast and great in man to man coverage, you aren't going to have him play FS instead of CB. But, Incognito gets to Miami, and John Jerry is a disaster, and out of desperation gets moved to LG. He doesn't fit well there. And particularly not for a team that wants its guards in the 300-305 lb range.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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>
> Bess would be fine in the slot if we had two fast
> WRs on the outside. But, the last few years, the
> lack of speed outside is compounded by Bess
> inside. If they really want interchangeable WRs,
> then Bess is not a great fit. And I've been saying
> that for a year now.
>


Bess would also benefit greatly from some speed at TE.

Add a couple of WR's to the mix who scare defenses a little and a TE who can stretch the seam and Bess could have a field day underneath.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> dolfanmark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Bess would be fine in the slot if we had two
> fast
> > WRs on the outside. But, the last few years,
> the
> > lack of speed outside is compounded by Bess
> > inside. If they really want interchangeable
> WRs,
> > then Bess is not a great fit. And I've been
> saying
> > that for a year now.
> >
>
>
> Bess would also benefit greatly from some speed at
> TE.
>
> Add a couple of WR's to the mix who scare defenses
> a little and a TE who can stretch the seam and
> Bess could have a field day underneath.


It's all about fit, right? Several analysts, including Phil Simms and Mike Mayock talked about this during the season. The Dolphins offense plays as if it's in the red zone the entire length of the field. Everything they do is compressed into 15-20 yards, because they lack speed. That congests that area of the field, and makes it more difficult on guys like Bess, and even Fasano, who do their best work underneath. More overall speed helps open up that underneath area for everyone.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > dolfanmark Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Bess would be fine in the slot if we had two
> > fast
> > > WRs on the outside. But, the last few years,
> > the
> > > lack of speed outside is compounded by Bess
> > > inside. If they really want interchangeable
> > WRs,
> > > then Bess is not a great fit. And I've been
> > saying
> > > that for a year now.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Bess would also benefit greatly from some speed
> at
> > TE.
> >
> > Add a couple of WR's to the mix who scare
> defenses
> > a little and a TE who can stretch the seam and
> > Bess could have a field day underneath.
>
>
> It's all about fit, right? Several analysts,
> including Phil Simms and Mike Mayock talked about
> this during the season. The Dolphins offense plays
> as if it's in the red zone the entire length of
> the field. Everything they do is compressed into
> 15-20 yards, because they lack speed. That
> congests that area of the field, and makes it more
> difficult on guys like Bess, and even Fasano, who
> do their best work underneath. More overall speed
> helps open up that underneath area for everyone.


Yup.

eesti Wrote:

>
> > RG is the easiest position to fill on the line.
> > The RG rarely gets asked to pull, and he almost
> > never faces quality pass rushers. It is the
> > position on the line that coaches and personnel
> > guys worry about filling the least (see Rex
> > Hadnot, Donald Thomas, etc).
>
> I don't completely agree with this misconception.

You can disagree, but it's not a misconception. It's a fact. RG does not get the attention that the other spots on the line do. It's the easiest position on the line to play. Fact.

Sounds like an opinion to me. Is it easier to be a better run blocker? Is it easier to be able to use your power? No.

One is athletic and one is power.

Players like Marhsal Yanda and Brian Waters may take issue with that.

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