ChyrenB Wrote:
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> But holic, Ireland was the holdover in a whole
> regime that was fired. Philbin got here this
> year.
>
> Why would you say that their fates are tied
> together?
>
> When you make that statement, you are saying a lot
> more than I think even you are intending to say.
>
> For example, you mean to tell me that Ross could
> think Philbin was the greatest coach in the NFL
> but feel COMPELLED TO FIRE HIM JUST BECAUSE HE HAS
> FINALLY DECIDED THAT IRELAND SUCKS????????
>
> That's logically the position you are tied to if
> you say that their fates are tied together.
>
> Now maybe that would be true if they came in
> together with Parcells and Ireland had brought in
> and mentored Philbin and Philbin has been here
> since then.
>
> But as I said, I think they are independent
> contractors.
>
> I think that to an extent, Jeff Ireland may be the
> BENEFICIARY of a great deal of winning by Philbin.
> He can certainly ride Philbin's back but no way
> to me does Ross fire Philbin this year should Ross
> wake up and say to himself, "you know, Ireland
> really sucks. I got nothing against Philbin but
> that means he has to go too."

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That's the way of the NFL. A new GM wants to bring in his own people and Ross wouldn't get in his way.

If Philbin had a great season, of course Ross wouldn't let him go, but saying that, Ireland wouldn't be going anywhere either, because the team had a great season and Ireland had a lot to do with that.

That's all it is, Chyren, a new GM wants his own people.

Well, we've got a poll on that. Did you participate?

I disagree. I think even Ross, reptilian brain that he has, looks at them independently. And if you were talking about Bill Parcells, I might agree.

But remember Bill Parcells had a great deal of football experience.

Jeff (Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, not Bill) Ireland's only background was in scouting.

You mean to tell me that you trust a guy whose only knowledge is in scouting to dictate who is to be the coach of the entire team?

Doesn't make sense.

Ordinarily, like you say, that's the way of the world in football but not in this case wherein Philbin has more football knowledge in his pinkie than Ireland has in his entire familial ancestoral lineage.

But betting AGAINST the stupidity of Ross is a chancy thing and I acknowledge that.

My vote is to pass on reevis....Why spend a fortune on damage goods...............you know he is going to cost a lot.

You can sign a couple of free agents with the money you are going to give reevis..a couple of free agents that might also make a difference .

I pass.

No way in hell the Jets trade Revis to a divisional opponent unless we give up twice the picks any other team would. That's just not going to happen.

If you want him in Miami you'll have to hope he makes it to free Agency next year and that his salary demands come down.

btw...he wants to be paid like one of the top 5 players in the NFL...not a top 5 CB.

eesti Wrote:

> That's a contradiction. If we were not building to
> be competitive in 2012 then why pay $380,000 for a
> guy to play two remaining games unless he wanted
> him for next season? A playoff run? Not likely as
> that was a huge long shot by week 16 when he was
> signed. He could have used a PS Cb for about 50k
> and it's not like a waiver wire pickup is going to
> get us in the playoffs.
>

Number one, we were desperate for anyone who could play CB at a starting caliber level. This is a guy who PFF has ranked much higher than any CB on our roster the last two seasons. Number two, they were considering signing him last offseason, so they like him. And number three, they wanted to get a look at him that they can't get in free agency. They actually got to see him with their coaches in their system, in games on the field, with no commitment to him. That's invaluable.

captkoi wrote

> That's the way of the NFL. A new GM wants to
> bring in his own people and Ross wouldn't get in
> his way.
>
> If Philbin had a great season, of course Ross
> wouldn't let him go, but saying that, Ireland
> wouldn't be going anywhere either, because the
> team had a great season and Ireland had a lot to
> do with that.
>
> That's all it is, Chyren, a new GM wants his own
> people.

eggggggggxxxxxxxxactly! Ireland used his mulligan by canning Sporano so I don't see a scenario where Philbin goes without Jeff, any new GM would want to bring his own coach with him, yeah Philbin could possibly hang on for an extra year after Jeff, ala Lovie Smith, but rarely does it ever happen that way.