THE Truth Wrote:
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> I agree Angryseas.
>
> This shouldn't really be an issue until we are
> officially out of the playoffs.
>
> Until then, its Philbin's job to focus on winning
> this week.
>
> Its Ireland's job to think long term.
>
> At some point in the next week or two when we are
> officially eliminated, he should talk to coach
> about test driving Egnew and Miller over the last
> game or two.

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I understand all that, but concerning Miller....what has our running game done over the past month? Pretty much nothing, which has an affect on what RT can and can't do. No running game, much, much pressure on the QB.

Our TEs. Yeah, Fasano made a great catch last week, but overall, what has our corp of TEs done the whole year? Not much. Fasano is a decent player, but Clay just isn't doing what the coaches thought he would. Egnew has shown flashes of greatness (per Sherman). Then get him out there on the field!

Our WR corps. Geez, that is the one area we posters harp on more than any other (except for RT, of course). Our coaching staff keeps bringing guys in, but within a few weeks, are gone. Have we really given Moore and Marshall an honest shot?

I'm not saying make wholesale changes; but play some of the younger guys who have the potential to make the team better.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> So...if Fasano is playing 'alright', but not
> 'lights out'...putting Egnew in is not a bad
> precedent...it is based on looking at all
> options.
>
> egnew has been a healthy inactive all year. that
> means it's not just fasano but the other TEs that
> are active every week.
>
> he hasn't earned the right to even be an option
> yet. that says a lot about the player.

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Egnew is on the team; he HAS earned the right to get on the field. If he doesn't get to play in "real" games then how is the coaching staff going to know what he can and can't do? One can't always base their decision(s) on what a guy does in practice. If that were the case, Marino would have never been the Dolphins' starting QB.

If the guy basically shows nothing in practice and/or has a bad attitude, or just doesn't have the talent that the coaches thought he had, then cut him! Why take up space for someone who just doesn't have it?

eesti Wrote:
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> I just hope Egnew (and Ireland) doesn't limit us
> or restrict us from getting a top TE next year.

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That's an excellent point!

If the coaches think Egnew can be the guy, then they won't be looking at a TE early in the draft.

If they are convinced Egnew will not see the field, then get rid of him and go after a guy within the first 3 rounds.

But, as I have been saying, how the hell are the coaches and Ireland going to know if Egnew doesn't see the field, and put in some quality plays?

Jonathon Amaya seems like a reasonable choice...

I can't find a list of who was active game by game..there might be a better choice...but I would start with him.

realist Wrote:
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> Jonathon Amaya seems like a reasonable choice...
>
> I can't find a list of who was active game by
> game..there might be a better choice...but I would
> start with him.


Could be a good choice. I'm not sure. I know he was a big special teamer for us before we traded him for Reggie bush. I'm not sure he is now.

My concern would be that since we only have 4 cb active on most weeks it might not be the best thing to sit a DB.

I don't mind playing young players down the stretch...as long as they can PLAY. Egnew cannot play, which is why they can't activate him. His situation right now is not even laughable. Even Pat White was able to get on the field as a rookie...

cshashaty Wrote:
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> I don't mind playing young players down the
> stretch...as long as they can PLAY. Egnew cannot
> play, which is why they can't activate him. His
> situation right now is not even laughable. Even
> Pat White was able to get on the field as a
> rookie...

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Why do you say Egnew CAN'T play?

Sherman has said that Egnew has the ability. So, if that's the case, why not play him? Find out what he does and does not have in a REAL game.

whoever didnt start at TE for the phins this year cant play. I agree.

captkoi Wrote:
> Why do you say Egnew CAN'T play?
>
> Sherman has said that Egnew has the ability. So,
> if that's the case, why not play him? Find out
> what he does and does not have in a REAL game.


Because he would get someone killed, probably Tannehill. His pass pro is so bad right now that he cannot be trusted. He needs a full offseason of training and development. Ireland clearly overdrafted him.

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> >
> Agree. It ain't over until it is over. As long
> as we've got a chance, we need to play to win.

Yes & no. Lets play to get this team in a chance to be more successful in the future. Playoff losses are meaningless. Look at how many we won over the last 40 yrs since the 72' Team. be Fing deal.

You play Tanny so you can see what he needs to be successful. There is a reason Moore has been a journeyman his whole career. He has gotten to a point that he just cannot improve. He is not elite and will never be.

Tanny is an incredible athelete that will only keep getting better, but you need to play him. Players like Egnew might or might not be the same. Only one way to find out. Since this is meaningless for us play them and see if they have it or they don't. 2016 is the Dolphins 50th ann. Its the NFL's 50th. I want the Phins ready for that goddamn gamein feb.! I couldn't give a shit about some wild card against F**nots now. Look at the big picture Brother. The Colts did. All smart Teams do. Dolphins have not been smart for a very long time now. The times are a changing.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Sorry brother, It makes no sense. We are dealing with the psychological aspects of Tanni as well. The Phins took a chance starting him because it could have back fired on him and once you doubt yourself , why shouldn't everyone?

Just as pulling a QB out of a drive to play some Wildcat foolishness is upsetting and detrimental to the player and the Team, so would pulling Tanni out mid stream just to see what a back up QB has got.

The team needs to buy in and believe . You do that by taking a chance like the Dolphins did and you play and play and believe in that player.

PHINS are doing this right. I see greatness in the future.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

We'll have to agree to disagree. If Matt Moore was not in his last contract year, I would agree completely with you. But we have to make a decision on him, seeing what we have in Devlin is a crucial part of that decision.

As for Tanny, the experience in the New England game (because we are in the playoff hunt now and even I don't favor throwing that away for the knowledge of seeing Devlin play) to me is not worth it when we have to make the critical decision of who will back up Tanny next year.

Look at what happened to Henne. He went down with an injury after how few games?

You can't play for injury situations. Depth is important , but over paying for a clip board holder is just not smart football. Not with the other holes we have. Especially when a guy like Moore does not want to stay when he may have the chance to start somewhere else.

Its going to be , Tannihill and Devlin. Thats the future.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> You can't play for injury situations. Depth is
> important , but over paying for a clip board
> holder is just not smart football. Not with the
> other holes we have. Especially when a guy like
> Moore does not want to stay when he may have the
> chance to start somewhere else.
>
> Its going to be , Tannihill and Devlin. Thats the
> future.


I'm OK with that for one season at least. I'm of the mind set that if you are playing your backup QB for any extended period of time your season is over anyway. And I've always believed that if my season is over I'd prefer the best draft pick possible over a few meaningless wins.

I can live with Devlin and a late round developmental QB as my back ups next year.

I could even level with bringing in a veteran backup at a minmum level deal to compete.

I don't want to waste money on a guy like moore. This isn't the 1970's where an Earl Morral can go undefeated handing off to Kick and Czonka.

QB's have to be able to carry teams. Backups can rarely do that at a high enough level to make you a title contender.

You play the starters and mix in the other guys more then what you were doing. Pretty simple actually.

THE Truth Wrote:
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>
> I don't want to waste money on a guy like moore.
> This isn't the 1970's where an Earl Morral can go
> undefeated handing off to Kick and Czonka.
>
>

Hey come on now...Morrall threw for over 1K yards and over 10 TDs, AND ran for a 31YD TD in 1972!

and in 9 games (1360/11/7).

Earl Morrall was the man. 63-37 record. Replaced Bob Griese and Johnny U.

Threw for 2909/26/17 in 1968! Played til he was 42 years old.

Not to belittle your point Truth.

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eesti Wrote:
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> and in 9 games (1360/11/7).
>
> Earl Morrall was the man. 63-37 record. Replaced
> Bob Griese and Johnny U.
>
> Threw for 2909/26/17 in 1968! Played til he was 42
> years old.
>
> Not to belittle your point Truth.


I have a lot of love for Earl and what he did for us and accomplished in the league.

But this isn't 1972...or even 1990...when a team can win a title with a back up QB handing the ball off 60-65% of the time. In today's NFL if you can't win the game in the air you can't win a title. There are only so many QB's on the planet capable of playing at that level in the NFL. Certainly not enough so every team has one let alone having two.

That's why I don't really worry about backup QB.

Except in very rare circumstances, if that backup is playing more than a week or two, your season is over.



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I understand and agree. That's why I mentioned your point in my post. I was just commenting on Morrall because I watched the documentary on HBO..."Namath".

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

At the Stadium last Sunday, when Shula spoke from his golfcart , he made it a point to thank Earl Morrall for keeping the dream "alive". He actually was in the Pro bowl in 1957! that guy was something else.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Speaking of old timers....Can someone please tell me why people think Archie Manning was all that? The guy only had 2 season where he threw more TD's than INT's...in 16 seasons.

Now I know it was a different era and QB's always had more ints than they do now-a-days...(Mostly due to rougher play by DB's being allowed). The TD to Int ratio was way worse than it is now but there were QB's that were more efficient and still put up the yards. (usually under 3000 yards). Not year in and year out but I don't see what the fuss is all about. I never really had a chance to watch him play since I grew up in Illinois.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

eesti Wrote:
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> I understand and agree. That's why I mentioned
> your point in my post. I was just commenting on
> Morrall because I watched the documentary on
> HBO..."Namath".


I agree too, I just waned to reminisce a little.

eesti Wrote:
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> Speaking of old timers....Can someone please tell
> me why people think Archie Manning was all that?
> The guy only had 2 season where he threw more TD's
> than INT's...in 16 seasons.
>
> Now I know it was a different era and QB's always
> had more ints than they do now-a-days...(Mostly
> due to rougher play by DB's being allowed). The TD
> to Int ratio was way worse than it is now but
> there were QB's that were more efficient and still
> put up the yards. (usually under 3000 yards). Not
> year in and year out but I don't see what the fuss
> is all about. I never really had a chance to watch
> him play since I grew up in Illinois.


I never got to see him play much either..they NEVER showed the Saints on TV in Miami. and he was playing for them before they put Cable TV in my neighborhood.

I think Archie was perceived as a scrappy QB who really put the effort in every week, despite knowing they had little chance of winning. He seemed like the only guy who really cared on that team.

eesti Wrote:
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> Speaking of old timers....Can someone please tell
> me why people think Archie Manning was all that?
> The guy only had 2 season where he threw more TD's
> than INT's...in 16 seasons.
>
> Now I know it was a different era and QB's always
> had more ints than they do now-a-days...(Mostly
> due to rougher play by DB's being allowed). The TD
> to Int ratio was way worse than it is now but
> there were QB's that were more efficient and still
> put up the yards. (usually under 3000 yards). Not
> year in and year out but I don't see what the fuss
> is all about. I never really had a chance to watch
> him play since I grew up in Illinois.

Manning was like Steve Young.

Very talented guy on an horrifically under-talented team.

If he had played for a real team he'd have been a star.

I assume you mean when steve young played for the bucs. no way the 49ers could be viewed as under-talented

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I assume you mean when steve young played for the
> bucs. no way the 49ers could be viewed as
> under-talented


Exactly Berk.

Young was awful for Tampa who was a circus as a franchise. Put him in a real system and he ends up in Canton.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> I don't want to waste money on a guy like moore.
> This isn't the 1970's where an Earl Morral can go
> undefeated handing off to Kick and Czonka.
>
> QB's have to be able to carry teams. Backups can
> rarely do that at a high enough level to make you
> a title contender.


RESPONSE: So what that means necessarily is that if we are say, 9-0 next year and Tannehill goes down, we should just forget the rest of the season because we'll go 9-7 and out in the first game of the playoffs if we make it.

Remember, what you are saying is get rid of Moore because he can't carry the team the whole season.

I don't know about carry a team a whole 16 game season but I don't think it makes sense to say that a 2nd string or back up quarterback is of so little value that if the number 1 goes down, you might as well flush your season down the toilet.

If the point is that Devlin has shown enough right now, then OKAY, but that's YOUR opinion.

If that's also PHILBIN'S opinion, then sure, it makes sense to play Tanny for experience and maturation for the rest of the year.

However, should Philbin think that he really does not know that much about Devlin in terms of readiness to step in when an SEASON ENDING INJURY happens, then he needs to find out RIGHT NOW how expendable Matt Moore is.

That, in turn, means see what Devlin has.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Speaking of old timers....Can someone please
> tell
> > me why people think Archie Manning was all
> that?
> > The guy only had 2 season where he threw more
> TD's
> > than INT's...in 16 seasons.
> >
> > Now I know it was a different era and QB's
> always
> > had more ints than they do now-a-days...(Mostly
> > due to rougher play by DB's being allowed). The
> TD
> > to Int ratio was way worse than it is now but
> > there were QB's that were more efficient and
> still
> > put up the yards. (usually under 3000 yards).
> Not
> > year in and year out but I don't see what the
> fuss
> > is all about. I never really had a chance to
> watch
> > him play since I grew up in Illinois.
>
> Manning was like Steve Young.
>
> Very talented guy on an horrifically
> under-talented team.
>
> If he had played for a real team he'd have been a
> star.

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Manning was a very good QB on an extremely bad team. His OLine would continuously give up sacks. Basically, Manning got killed back there.

Where he really made his name was his senior year when Ole Miss played 'Bama. He and Hunter (?) played lights out. It was one of those QB duels that was rarely seen in those days.

Archie just went to the wrong team. He could have been one of the better QBs if he had gone to a team that could block and had a winning tradition.

I believe that a vial of his sperm is in Canton, even if he never made it and, it is rumoured that it glows in the dark.