Poll

MVP of this season?

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21 votes were received.

Ryan Tannehill	15		71%
Brent Grimes	2		10%
Cameron Wake	0		0%
Mike Wallace	0		0%
Lamar Miller	2		10%
Other (Please explain)	2		9%

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RT17 was voted MVP of the Dolphins this season by the local media (I'm sure Omar kicked his cat upon hearing this news), I guess he'd have to win in my eyes also, but I'm curious which player this board would vote MVP since Ryans support is so up/down on here.

Not even close. Tannehill hands down.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Not even close. Tannehill hands down.


+1

So much for big mouth Miko.

For what it's worth, Omar tweeted today that if Jamies Winston was there when the Dolphins pick, they should take him......

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> For what it's worth, Omar tweeted today that if
> Jamies Winston was there when the Dolphins pick,
> they should take him......


Sure...but we'll be picking 15-19...what if we had the top pick?

Tannehill MVP of course.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, isn't that a sad comment on the state of our team? Tanny is no way close to being an all-star. He still is a poor performer in the pocket and most of his numbers come out of the read option, I'd bet.

Not saying that he's bad but just saying it's not like he was winning every game. also not saying that he won't be great one day but not yet.

I do not feel comfortable asserting we had a most valuable player in the sense of being priceless as opposed to just the best we had but it probably would have been Knowshon Moreno, had he not got injured early.

I don't think it's a sorry state at all. it looks like a bright future at QB, IMO.

No one is saying RT is an all star (or priceless) but he was clearly the most valuable player on the team...although he has shown the potential to be an all star. He just needs consistency.

The typical NFL QB through 3 years in the NFL has between 90 & 104 starts under their belt including NCAA & NFL. Tannehill is approaching his 67th start (from that standpoint). That basically represents a typical QB after their rookie year in the NFL.

Projecting Knowshon to be MVP is a hell of a projection based on 1 game. The guy NEVER had more than 1030 yards in a season. History is far better indicator than projections.

A QB (getting on the job training) putting together a season in which he is at or near the top 10 in every major category is pretty valuable in my book.

11th in yards
6th in completion %
10th in passing TD's
Around 13th in QB rating
5th in rushing yards

Who else has been more valuable to the Dolphins? Not, who could or should have been.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> I don't think it's a sorry state at all. it looks
> like a bright future at QB, IMO.
>
> No one is saying RT is an all star (or priceless)
> but he was clearly the most valuable player on the
> team...

Okay, just considering THIS YEAR'S team....Cam Wake.....Lamar Miller....

most valuable means (if not all-star which you said that nobody is saying) then the guy who produced the most for this team.

The guy who without whom this team, instead of being an 8 win or 9 win team would be a 3 or 4 win team.

Of course, without Philbin, we would be an 11 win team but you didn't ask what was the biggest drag on on team?

But if you guys just want something to cheer about and hope for the future, don't let me spoil the pot party.



although he has shown the potential to be
> an all star. He just needs consistency.
>
> The typical NFL QB through 3 years in the NFL has
> between 90 & 104 starts under their belt including
> NCAA & NFL. Tannehill is approaching his 67th
> start (from that standpoint). That basically
> represents a typical QB after their rookie year in
> the NFL.
>
> Projecting Knowshon to be MVP is a hell of a
> projection based on 1 game. The guy NEVER had more
> than 1030 yards in a season. History is far better
> indicator than projections.

>
> Who else has been more valuable to the Dolphins?
> Not, who could or should have been.

Yeah, it's true. I just saw it in that first half. May have been the blocking, may have been the opposition, but that's the first time I've been thrilled with an offensive player, running back or otherwise, since the Marino days.

>
> A QB (getting on the job training) putting
> together a season in which he is at or near the
> top 10 in every major category is pretty valuable
> in my book.


But think about it, that means that about 10 qbs are better.

Could we say that of Griese or Marino.......or even Woodley (Theisman and Montana were better but not many others)?

Just because we've gone through Hennes and Penningtons and the like, have we become so desperate that good mediocrity instead of bad mediocrity passes as near greatness.


>
> 11th in yards
> 6th in completion %
> 10th in passing TD's
> Around 13th in QB rating
> 5th in rushing yards.


Oh, here we go with the stats. No offense but that's the computer geek's approach to football.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> The guy who without whom this team, instead of
> being an 8 win or 9 win team would be a 3 or 4 win
> team.
>
> Now I see what you're saying chyren, you mean a
> guy like Peyton Manning right, if he was to say,
> go on IR for the year, his team might barely get
> to 2 wins........now that's an MVP.....good
> analogy


ouch...That digging noise you are presently hearing is Bob uprooting the goalposts in preparation of moving them...

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> The guy who without whom this team, instead of
> being an 8 win or 9 win team would be a 3 or 4 win
> team.
>
> Now I see what you're saying chyren, you mean a
> guy like Peyton Manning right, if he was to say,
> go on IR for the year, his team might barely get
> to 2 wins........now that's an MVP.....good
> analogy

LOL. Two different things holic! Yes Peyton WAS the MVP for that team but going from 12 or 11 wins to 2 is more than suffering a loss of MVP,....its tanking.

Ok good point, but what about if it was 10-6 to 2-4?

2-4? so what if they only play 6 games?

Only ONE VOTE FOR LAMAR MILLER????? (yours truly).

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
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> > But think about it, that means that about 10
> qbs
> > are better.
> >
> > AND? I'll take that. Pretty elite company. You
> can
> > win championships with a top 10 (or 11) QB
>
> There are only 32 teams in the league. In
> addition to there being 10 QBs better, that means
> that a third (33%) of the other QBs are better.
>
>
> > When did Woodley or Griese put up top 10
> numbers?
>
> Woodley in his SuperBowl year when Griese was
> injured and Griese every other year.

Now you're just making stuff up. LOL he had 1080 yards for 5 tds and 8 picks that year.

>
> > Dolphins had 23rd ranked passing offense in
> 1973.
>
> Duhhhh! We had Larry Csonka, Jim Kiic and Mercury
> Morris ....WITH RUNNING BACKS LIKE THAT WOULD YOU
> PASS AS MUCH AS DAN MARINO DID??????
>
> Come on!!!!

So you agree that your pointing to Griese was ridiculous? Cool.

>
> >
> > AGAIN. No one said greatness. MVP on Dolphins
>
> But "most valuable" means that his performance at
> his position WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE'S AT
> THEIR POSITION ON THAT TEAM. Ryan Tannehill was
> better at quarterback than Cam Wake was as a
> Defensive
> Lineman???????????????????????????????????????????
> ??????????????
Well that's your definition. I would say..who contributed more to wins and success? Answer: The QB, RT.

> > > 11th in yards
>
> >
> > And that's what people say who don't like facts
> > when it disproves their argument.
>
> DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM THE ABOVE THAT YOU SAID
> ANYTHING I can't handle?
>
>
> If it was my
> > only evidence, then maybe I would agree but it
> was
> > only part of the equation. As much as posters
> like
> > to discredit stats, they are facts and provide
> a
> > peer comparison. NFL also use those stats as
> > incentives in player contracts so they must be
> > worth something.
>
> RESPONSE: I address 'the rest of the equation'
> above.
>
>
> >
> > I still haven't heard an argument for anyone
> who
> > is a better candidate than Tannehill for TEAM
> MVP
> > or why.
>
> RESPONSE: It was in my prior post about why Cam
> Wake was better as a defensive lineman than Ryan
> was as a quarterback. But if you need anything
> else, Cam will be going to the pro bowl, sure bet,
> what about
> Tannehill?????????????????????????????????????

I don't agree with your description of what an MVP means.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Now you're just making stuff up. LOL he had 1080
> yards for 5 tds and 8 picks that year.

RESPONSE: One thousand yard passer, huh?

> So you agree that your pointing to Griese was
> ridiculous? Cool.

RESPONSE: No, I don't agree. Of course, there is a difference between "can't pass worth a damn" and "don't need to pass".



> Well that's your definition. I would say..who
> contributed more to wins and success? Answer: The
> QB, RT.


> I don't agree with your description of what an MVP
> means.



RESPONSE: Then you should never have ventured out to argue against me. You should have simply said that. I'm not in it to argue that you are wrong in what you consider to be an MVP but you attempted to argue that I was wrong IN WHAT I CONSIDER TO CONSTITUTE AN MVP.

AS I RECALL, THE POLL QUESTION ASKED THE READERS WHO THEY think is the team MVP.

Cam Wake but of the ones above Lamar Miller.

Winston is Vince Young part II

Tannehill is an average QB , hasn't shown he can make the big plays or touch passes

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Winston is Vince Young part II
>
> Tannehill is an average QB , hasn't shown he can
> make the big plays or touch passes


How so?

Their skill sets couldn't be more different.

MVP?? The QB should always be the MVP, it's the most important position on the team. IF your QB isn't your MVP then you have a problem at the QB position.
The QB has a hellacious handicap in this vote.
If the question was, "who is the most dynamic, impactful player at his position, I would give my vote to Landry.

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The Clown Show Continues



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Well, Hooligan, of course everything you say is absolutely on point

but the BELIEVERS on this board, the kool-aid drinkers, have themselves absolutely convinced that Tanny fills all qualifications and even Joe Football, who I respect as the best poster on this board, tried to convince me was better than Bob Griese and ............that Philbin is a coach who is getting better and..........that ROSS REALLY, REALLY CARES about the team instead of is just impressed by a professional butt kisser like Joe Philbin.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > Now you're just making stuff up. LOL he had
> 1080
> > yards for 5 tds and 8 picks that year.
>
> RESPONSE: One thousand yard passer, huh?
>
> > So you agree that your pointing to Griese was
> > ridiculous? Cool.
>
> RESPONSE: No, I don't agree. Of course, there is
> a difference between "can't pass worth a damn" and
> "don't need to pass".
>
>
>
> > Well that's your definition. I would say..who
> > contributed more to wins and success? Answer:
> The
> > QB, RT.
>
>
> > I don't agree with your description of what an
> MVP
> > means.
>
>
>
> RESPONSE: Then you should never have ventured out
> to argue against me. You should have simply said
> that. I'm not in it to argue that you are wrong
> in what you consider to be an MVP but you
> attempted to argue that I was wrong IN WHAT I
> CONSIDER TO CONSTITUTE AN MVP.
>
> AS I RECALL, THE POLL QUESTION ASKED THE READERS
> WHO THEY think is the team MVP.
>
> Cam Wake but of the ones above Lamar Miller.

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Griese retired after the 1979 season.

Joe is correct in that Woodley threw for 1,080 yards, but that was in a strike-shortened Super Bowl season. Woodley's first full season as a starter was 1980 where he threw for 1,850 yards. His second full season he threw for 2,470 yards. Then along came Marino.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Well, Hooligan, of course everything you say is
> absolutely on point
>
> but the BELIEVERS on this board, the kool-aid
> drinkers, have themselves absolutely convinced
> that Tanny fills all qualifications and even Joe
> Football, who I respect as the best poster on this
> board, tried to convince me was better than Bob
> Griese and ............that Philbin is a coach who
> is getting better and..........that ROSS REALLY,
> REALLY CARES about the team instead of is just
> impressed by a professional butt kisser like Joe
> Philbin.

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Kinda difficult to compare Griese to Tanneyhill at this point in their careers.

Griese had a fantastic running game; he had great receivers (with Warfield being the main guy); he had a great OL that have guys in the HOF (and IMO, a few more of them should be there); he had the No Names for most of his career;and he had Shula.

What does RT have?

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> He had the "no name" defense but not the Killer
> Bees which was a much better defensive unit.
>
>
> Griese won with an excellent offense and a good
> defense so your point is valid.
>
> Yes RT has NOWHERE NEAR the team behind him that
> Griese had but doesn't it
>
> disturb you just a tiny itty bitty bit that we
> COULD HAVE won the Green Bay and Detroit games and
> that we beat the crap out of New England early in
> the season?????
>
> Doesn't that suggest that something is "rotten in
> Denmark" with this team?
>
> And last year after the devastation of bullygate
> we got players out on the open market and beat New
> England and Pitt (I believe) only to be kept out
> of the playoffs by losses to the Jets and Bills
> (who were bad last year.)

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You're damn right the season, as a whole, bothers me.

But with this thread being about Griese and RT, are you, Chryen, saying that RT is the main reason? If so, I highly disagree with you. Sure, RT could have done more, but our coaching staff and defense played more of a roll in Miami losing than did RT.

Agreed, there is something rotten in Denmark, but the stink emanates from the whole organization, not just one or two individuals.

No, I'm not saying Tanny is the fault. I'm blaming Philbin. I'm always blaming Philbin. Every since "Fireland" was accomplished, I'm blaming Philbin.