It is a little misleading because Marino's numbers his rookie year are based on 11 games, so it wasnt an entire season numbers... But Rt did the same yards in the same amount of games...
Lets hope RT can stand with Marino in his sophmore year, I would love to see a 5000 yard 48 TD season again.... at this point I am just hoping RT finishes the season with more TD's then interceptions... It is hard to say a QB had a good year if he doesnt have more TD's then int's IMO.... Marino only had more interceptions then TD's one year, his last and then he retired...

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quote :It is a little misleading because Marino's numbers his rookie year are based on 11 games, so it wasnt an entire season numbers... But Rt did the same yards in the same amount of games...


RT did the same in 10 games ...

we are 5 and 6....11 games played but tannehill missed a game.

all im saying is we are on the right track.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> It is a little misleading because Marino's numbers
> his rookie year are based on 11 games, so it wasnt
> an entire season numbers... But Rt did the same
> yards in the same amount of games...
> Lets hope RT can stand with Marino in his sophmore
> year, I would love to see a 5000 yard 48 TD season
> again.... at this point I am just hoping RT
> finishes the season with more TD's then
> interceptions... It is hard to say a QB had a good
> year if he doesnt have more TD's then int's
> IMO.... Marino only had more interceptions then
> TD's one year, his last and then he retired...


I don't care if we can say Tannehill "had a good year" or not after this season.

All I care about is if he has the ability to be an impact QB in this league and if he develops.

So far he's met and exceeded my expectations. Not too mention he has flashed all the tools and attributes you want in a Franchise QB. In no way am I saying there isn't TONS of room for improvement but with rare exceptions you only get so much of that development as a rookie.

As for his TD/INT numbers...here's a few guys who had more INT's than TD's as a Rookie QB:

Bob Griese (15TD - 18INT)
John Elway (7TD - 14Int)
Troy Aikman (9-18)
Warren Moon (12-14)
Vinny Testaverde (5-6)
Peyton Manning (26-28)
Eli Manning (6-9)
Archie Manning (6-9)
Brett Favre (0-2)
Matt Stafford (13-20)
Dan Fouts (6-13)
Johnny Unitas (9-10)
Steve Deberg (8-22)
Phil Simms (13-14)
Steve Young (3-8)
Sonny Jurgensen (5-8)
Randall Cunningham (1-8)
Rich Gannon (0-1)
Ron Jaworski (0-1)
Terry Bradshaw (6-24)
Ken Stabler (0-1)
George Blanda (0-5)
Steve Grogan (11-18)
Ken O'Brein (6-7)
Roger Staubauch (1-2)
Bart Starr (2-3)
Matt Schaub (1-4)

There's more but there are a TON of Hall of Famer's, MVP's, Franchise and Super Bowl QB's on that list.

I couldn't be less worried about his TD/INT ratio for this season. In fact, my only concern about Tannehill and his rookie year at this point is that he avoid a major injury. Everything else is gravy.

I am glad you are so excited our Qb has more interceptions then TD... I can name way more Qb's that failed who had more interceptions then TD's then you can name that have thrived probably twenty to 1 at least, so try and leave the foolish thinking and misplaced logic out of the conversation... i

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Ouch.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> quote :It is a little misleading because Marino's
> numbers his rookie year are based on 11 games, so
> it wasnt an entire season numbers... But Rt did
> the same yards in the same amount of games...
>
>
> RT did the same in 10 games ...
>
> we are 5 and 6....11 games played but tannehill
> missed a game.


Technically, not really, Marino's 11 games include him coming in midgame for David Woodley. RT was knocked out of game as well as you know... If you look up the stats RT gets listed as 11 Games Played, the same stat Dan Marino has for his rookie year, with both of their 11th games being less then a half... Actually RT did in 11 starts Marino did in ten starts, but they both did it 11 games played... But he did beat Marino's record in just about the same amount of time...

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> all im saying is we are on the right track.


Thats the message. No one is dissing Dan. But to Tany's credit he did it without a Super Bowl Calibur team supporting him unlike the 83' Phins.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I am glad you are so excited our Qb has more
> interceptions then TD... I can name way more Qb's
> that failed who had more interceptions then TD's
> then you can name that have thrived probably
> twenty to 1 at least, so try and leave the
> foolish thinking and misplaced logic out of the
> conversation... i


Where did I say I was excited? I said I "couldn't be less worried" about his TD/INT ration this year.

Why? because, as I pointed out, there are 2-3 DOZEN guys (or more) who had a negative TD/INT ratio in their rookie years who went onto be good to great QB's in the NFL.

Sure there are more guys that failed. That's true at every position.

The point was, and still is, that TD/INT ratio as a rookie is window dressing. Its not reflective of future success (or failure).

Its a meaningless measurement.

But if meaningless stats are what help you sleep at night...knock yourself out.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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I can name way more Qb's
> that failed who had more interceptions then TD's
> then you can name that have thrived probably
> twenty to 1 at least, so try and leave the
> foolish thinking and misplaced logic out of the
> conversation... i

That's probably because more QB's fail than succeed. Not a logical argument.

In your point to attack (instead of debate)...the point you missed was that the TD/Int doesn't really matter at this point in the grand scheme of things.

That being said, the comparison is still unfair. Tannehill is not replacing Marino. He is replacing Chad Henne, who was supposed to be our starter.

The number of games doesn't matter as much as the pass attempts.

In addition, No one could dispute that Marino had a better rookie season. Through 11 games Marino threw for 2,100 yards on 296 attempts. RT did it with around 325 attempts. He also had 22 TD's and 6 int's compared to RT's 7:12 ratio.

Marino had a 58.4% comp rate to RT's 59%. Tannehill will also have more rushing yards in one season that Marino did for his entire 17 year career. Marino also had Duper and Clayton and Nat Moore. Not really comparable in talent to the WR's we have currently.

Comparing any rookie QB to Dan Marino as a gauge of the future is absurd. He had one of, if not the, best season by a rookie ever. He changed the game. It's not fair to any rookie.

There are far too many variables to judge a QB than just relying on numbers alone. If it were that easy GM's could just draft the college QB with the most yards and TD's.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> I can name way more Qb's
> > that failed who had more interceptions then TD's
>
> > then you can name that have thrived probably
> > twenty to 1 at least, so try and leave the
> > foolish thinking and misplaced logic out of the
> > conversation... i



>
> That's probably because more QB's fail than
> succeed. Not a logical argument.

Consider the source.



>
> In your point to attack (instead of debate)...the
> point you missed was that the TD/Int doesn't
> really matter at this point in the grand scheme of
> things.


Exactly right. If you look at the list of those QB's that had good/great careers

There are far more who struggled, or didn't even play as a rookie, than those who had a positive TD/INT ratio. Its an utterly subjective/meaningless measurement when trying to determine if Tannehill will be a successful NFL QB.



>
> That being said, the comparison is still unfair.
> Tannehill is not replacing Marino. He is replacing
> Chad Henne, who was supposed to be our starter.
>
> The number of games doesn't matter as much as the
> pass attempts.
>
> In addition, No one could dispute that Marino had
> a better rookie season. Through 11 games Marino
> threw for 2,100 yards on 296 attempts. RT did it
> with around 325 attempts. He also had 22 TD's and
> 6 int's compared to RT's 7:12 ratio.

I agree completely. Anyone comparing Tannehill to Marino at this point is missing the boat.

There is no comparison. Different skill sets, different era's, different rules, different level of teammates.


>
> Marino had a 58.4% comp rate to RT's 59%.
> Tannehill will also have more rushing yards in one
> season that Marino did for his entire 17 year
> career. Marino also had Duper and Clayton and Nat
> Moore. Not really comparable in talent to the WR's
> we have currently.


Exactly



>
> Comparing any rookie QB to Dan Marino as a gauge
> of the future is absurd. He had one of, if not
> the, best season by a rookie ever. He changed the
> game. It's not fair to any rookie.


Precisely.



>
> There are far too many variables to judge a QB
> than just relying on numbers alone. If it were
> that easy GM's could just draft the college QB
> with the most yards and TD's.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > all im saying is we are on the right track.
>
>
> Thats the message. No one is dissing Dan. But to
> Tany's credit he did it without a Super Bowl
> Calibur team supporting him unlike the 83' Phins.


Exactly!

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> It is a little misleading because Marino's numbers
> his rookie year are based on 11 games, so it wasnt
> an entire season numbers... But Rt did the same
> yards in the same amount of games...
> Lets hope RT can stand with Marino in his sophmore
> year, I would love to see a 5000 yard 48 TD season
> again.... at this point I am just hoping RT
> finishes the season with more TD's then
> interceptions... It is hard to say a QB had a good
> year if he doesnt have more TD's then int's
> IMO.... Marino only had more interceptions then
> TD's one year, his last and then he retired...

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I somewhat disagree with you, Crowder, in your point about a QB not having a good season if he has more ints than TDs. I look at it as to whether or not he has improved over the season, and that is by the combination of numbers, wins, game-by-game performance, 4th qtr comebacks, etc. If the QB has figured out the game, from day one to the final day, i.e., the game has slowed down for him, then I would say that QB had a good year. This is also based on the QB being a rookie, not a vet.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I am glad you are so excited our Qb has more
> interceptions then TD... I can name way more Qb's
> that failed who had more interceptions then TD's
> then you can name that have thrived probably
> twenty to 1 at least, so try and leave the
> foolish thinking and misplaced logic out of the
> conversation... i

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C'mon Crowder, you know that's not what Truth is saying. He is just saying not to get overworked by the TD to int ration. Some of the greatest QBs ever had a rough go of it their rookie year (Peyton is a great example) and have come around to be very good to great players.

RT has the skill-set to be a very good player. Let's see how he does next year (and the rest of this year, of course).

captkoi Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am glad you are so excited our Qb has more
> > interceptions then TD... I can name way more
> Qb's
> > that failed who had more interceptions then TD's
>
> > then you can name that have thrived probably
> > twenty to 1 at least, so try and leave the
> > foolish thinking and misplaced logic out of the
> > conversation... i
>
> **************************************************
> *****
>
> C'mon Crowder, you know that's not what Truth is
> saying. He is just saying not to get overworked
> by the TD to int ration. Some of the greatest QBs
> ever had a rough go of it their rookie year
> (Peyton is a great example) and have come around
> to be very good to great players.
>
> RT has the skill-set to be a very good player.
> Let's see how he does next year (and the rest of
> this year, of course).


Thanks Cap, but I fear your effort on this is wasted.

I think my relationship with Crowder is at the point where he just argues with me for the sake of arguing and facts be damned.

Then Tannehill must be the next Dan Marino

The big difference is that Marino could execute in the Red Zone on day one. Most of Tannehill's yards have been between the 20s.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Thanks Cap, but I fear your effort on this is
> wasted.
>
> I think my relationship with Crowder is at the
> point where he just argues with me for the sake of
> arguing and facts be damned.


Funny thing Cap, check the post, it was Truth who was arguing and responding to a post I made post not the other way around, but he does play a good victim while trying to recreate his own reality...lol

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Thanks Cap, but I fear your effort on this is
> > wasted.
> >
> > I think my relationship with Crowder is at the
> > point where he just argues with me for the sake
> of
> > arguing and facts be damned.
>
>
> Funny thing Cap, check the post, it was Truth who
> was arguing and responding to a post I made post
> not the other way around, but he does play a good
> victim while trying to recreate his own
> reality...lol

Haha...priceless. You make up things I've said in order to have a better argument against them and I'm the one recreating my own reality. As you get older crowder you are becoming more and more like bob in the way you argue/debate/discuss things. And I don mean that as a compliment.

But it seems I didn't get the memo. Am I not supposed to be responding to your posts?

Fine by me if that's they way you prefer it just let me know. This sites been so much better for me since I blocked bob and DK.