I'm not sure yet, but when Henne was in there I never had the slightest belief that he could take the team on a drive with little time left late in the game behind by just a few points. I knew it would just fizzle out and the game would be over and we would lose again. I can remember being 5 points behind with over a minute left and having decent field position, and knowing- KNOWING- that the game was over. That's a terrible feeling, one I could do without having again. So far, Tannehill hasn't shown me he has the ability to do more that. The great ones have all had that fire in the belly, even before they had the experience to be able to translate it into great comeback wins. Tannehill hasn't shown me that fire yet. I watch him hurry his throws when he has time and an open receiver, and miss the throw as time runs out. I watch him throw interceptions, get another chance, and hurry the throw or throw another pick. Maybe he has that fire that Marino and Greise had, bit I haven't seen it yet. I hope I see it soon.

Rick

does anyone remember Elway's, Aikman's, and Peyton's rookie years?

Tannehill hasn't lined up under the G yet.
He Will definitely get better with more experience and some quality talent to throw to.

socalphin Wrote:
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> does anyone remember Elway's, Aikman's, and
> Peyton's rookie years?
>
> Tannehill hasn't lined up under the G yet.
> He Will definitely get better with more experience
> and some quality talent to throw to.




Exactly. They all blew like Crack Whores. Only Marino did well because he walked on to a Superbowl team. Tanny will be fine. He is the real deal. Our defense is shit.

We have some personnel weaknesses and unless there are upgrades made via free agency, the draft will provide little relief in the W-L column.

When Jake Long was drafter #1 overall in the draft I expected him to be on top of his game for at least 5-6 years. That time has passed and he is now being outmatched almost every week, during every game by a more robust defensive end. He is still our top lineman but his star is tarnished and his abilities are declining. Other teams see it too.

Richie Incognito is a decent lineman. The word decent describes his average play not his bully behavior. Attitude is one thing but it is not followed up with superior talent at that LG position. He often misses blocks and appears to be unaware of certain pass rushes. Big weakness.

Martin is learning and is doing okay, but I wonder if his play will improve much beyond what it is right now. Other teams pit rushing ends against him who have beat him closing the pocket and jeopardizing the QB's passes way too much. RT is a definite weakness.

Pouncey is pretty good overall but his run blocking is only average.

At WR we are missing a bona fide deep threat--a guy with 4.5 speed who can catch. Bess is not the player we should hope on to out route CBs on plays more than 15 yards.

Hartline, I agree has more speed than Bess, but he also lacks the burning speed and acceleration to get clear of covering backs. Separation is usually not there on longer passes for him.

Running back. Reggie is not a Spiller. He provides us with a threat, but is a 3rd down back to run screens with or passes to in the flat. Forget up the middle A gap runs. They fail 95% of the time IMO.

TE is non existent. Fasano blocks and runs routes. He is slightly better than average. He seldom makes the spectacular catch. He's inconsistent too. Definitely an upgrade needed here--someone who is really athletic.

Improve these positions by better play or get a FAs who can make a difference immediately.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> socalphin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > does anyone remember Elway's, Aikman's, and
> > Peyton's rookie years?
> >
> > Tannehill hasn't lined up under the G yet.
> > He Will definitely get better with more
> experience
> > and some quality talent to throw to.
>
>
>
>
> Exactly. They all blew like Crack Whores. Only
> Marino did well because he walked on to a
> Superbowl team. Tanny will be fine. He is the real
> deal. Our defense is shit.

'They all blew like crack whores???' lol.

Not exactly true. Elway nor Aikman started right away and had rough rookie seasons when they finally did(under 2000 yds and roughly twice the INT's as TD's) but Manning passed for 3,739 yards with 26 touchdowns, and set five different NFL rookie records, including most touchdown passes in a season EVEN THOUGH he was on a poor team (3-13).

Tannehill has shown he can learn and be a game manager but the last 2:00 are where the great ones show they are great. Last night he had two MORE chances and didn't step up. I want to believe BAD but I'm starting to wonder.

Again, I keep thinking back to Hudson Houck and how he coached our O-Line. We keep analyzing the line player-by-player and forget that they aren't good if they don't work as a UNIT. Buffalo kept penetrating the line, which should not happen...even with average O-Linemen!! Even average O-Linemen should be able to create a pocket. If a DE or OLB gets around the end, then you worry about your tackles...but that was only I

And in the running game, I only saw us pull the Guard ONCE all night!! Maybe I missed other times...don't know. To me it seems like our guys are regressing.

KB Wrote:
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> Tannehill has shown he can learn and be a game
> manager but the last 2:00 are where the great ones
> show they are great. Last night he had two MORE
> chances and didn't step up. I want to believe BAD
> but I'm starting to wonder.

EXACTLY!! This is what separates the good QBs from the great ones.

montequi Wrote:
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> Again, I keep thinking back to Hudson Houck and
> how he coached our O-Line. We keep analyzing the
> line player-by-player and forget that they aren't
> good if they don't work as a UNIT. Buffalo kept
> penetrating the line, which should not
> happen...even with average O-Linemen!! Even
> average O-Linemen should be able to create a
> pocket. If a DE or OLB gets around the end, then
> you worry about your tackles...but that was only I
>
>
> And in the running game, I only saw us pull the
> Guard ONCE all night!! Maybe I missed other
> times...don't know. To me it seems like our guys
> are regressing.

I think the running is falling off because teams aren't blitzing as much so there aren't as many 'free' lanes. This especially hurts a scat back type guy like Bush.

It also seemed to me last night like Tannehill doesn't step up in the pocket very well. Marino used to buy an extra second by doing this. Something he needs to work on IMO.

If teams don't blitz, the we need to throw to Bush in the flat instead of running him!! He SHOULD be able to get open against a LB. Short passes...that's the WCO! I didn't see a single one last night.

montequi Wrote:
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> If teams don't blitz, the we need to throw to Bush
> in the flat instead of running him!! He SHOULD be
> able to get open against a LB. Short
> passes...that's the WCO! I didn't see a single
> one last night.

True. Not sure Philbin's reputation as an offensive guru was deserved. We're pretty predictable.

Also, if teams aren't blitzing, then why not give Lamar Miller a try at RB? He's GOT to be better than Dan Thomas. The knock on Miller is his issue in pass protection during the blitz...but if they don't blitz, then Miller should get a shot!!

Why not give Thigpen a shot?

I - and the o-line -have missed Hudson Houck since the day he left. I was desperately hoping he would be retained through the coaching change happening at that time, but it was not to be, to our cost.

Rick

GBOFinFan Wrote:
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> Why not give Thigpen a shot?

Because they, the God Philbin and the rest of the coaching staff, would try to use him just like they try to use Reggie Bush which is the same way Don Shula used Larry Csonka.

montequi Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
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> > Tannehill has shown he can learn and be a game
> > manager but the last 2:00 are where the great
> ones
> > show they are great. Last night he had two
> MORE
> > chances and didn't step up. I want to believe
> BAD
> > but I'm starting to wonder.
>
> EXACTLY!! This is what separates the good QBs
> from the great ones.

This is the exact point I've been making for the past 9 weeks.

Tannehill has not shown that he has what it takes to be great.

And now he is reverting.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> I - and the o-line -have missed Hudson Houck since
> the day he left. I was desperately hoping he would
> be retained through the coaching change happening
> at that time, but it was not to be, to our cost.

The issues isn't the O-Line as much as it is the quarterbacking. Tannehill needs to get better.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > I - and the o-line -have missed Hudson Houck
> since
> > the day he left. I was desperately hoping he
> would
> > be retained through the coaching change
> happening
> > at that time, but it was not to be, to our
> cost.
>
> The issues isn't the O-Line as much as it is the
> quarterbacking. Tannehill needs to get better.

Right, because the QB is the one who's supposed to open holes for the RB, right? Oh, and the QB is supposed to block the DLine of the other team? Of course, THAT's why we stink!!

Tannehill should have been benched for not making the tackle on that McKelvin PR for a TD. That just incompetence!

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eesti Wrote:
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> Tannehill should have been benched for not making
> the tackle on that McKelvin PR for a TD. That just
> incompetence!

Lets start Moore and see how bad the offense really is. Last time Moore started with the same lineup he putup 23 points.

Philpin will never do this, but it would answer the questions.

If you watch the film, you do see receivers open, it is just Tannehill is throwing to the covered guy.

quote: Lets start Moore and see how bad the offense really is. Last time Moore started with the same lineup he putup 23 points.
Philpin will never do this, but it would answer the questions.


Philbin is not idiotic enough to do it. He wants the real deal to get as much playing time as possible to get ready for the next 15 years of his career.