Not seeing much difference now.

Both lock onto receivers. Both check down and throw safe passes.

Both very inaccurate. Neither can come back once team is down.

Neither make their receivers look better.

both throw costly interceptions. neither can read a NFL defense

Welcome to the hit list.

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Give the guy a chance. It was a crappy effort all the way around.

colonel Wrote:
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> Give the guy a chance. It was a crappy effort all
> the way around.

The problem here is the guy is getting a chance before he is ready. Will he eventually be better than Henne? Maybe. But Henne had a year to mature. He wasn't pushed because he was a second round pick and didn't come with expectations of a top ten selection.

As for the comparisons with Henne - maybe its not accurate. I don't remember Henne ever being this bad. Henne was not an INT machine. The big criticism of Henne is that he checked down too much, held on to the ball too much, and didn't didn't come through in the clutch. So far Tannehill has been all of these things.... and now he is an INT machine to boot. None of this is good.

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Hey dolphin, if that really is the case (which I dont believe it is), then we are really in a bad situation because TANNEHILL (not Tanneyhill) beat out Gerrard and Matt Moore fair and square in the QB competition this off season.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Colonel, this game was a shell shock to a rookie. The early turnover by Bush. The refs were calling the game totally one-sided (there ought to be an investigation because this is the first time I ever heard the announcers as much as say it when they said that "The Dolphins shouldn't expect to get any calls from the officials today." That was as polite as they could make it.

But most of all THE HORRIBLE TACKLING. They could not even sack Locker when he was down on the ground.

How many times did the Seattle running back not only break away from tackles in the backfield while surrounded but rip off 30 yards afterwards.

Anybody, particularly a rookie, would have been shell shocked.

As for Tannehill, it may indeed have been a mistake to rush him back in after his injury but while some may agree with me that Tannehill is not the fault and a few might agree with me that Ireland is no good, I am alone in questioning Philbin the God.

I would take Tannehill at this point over henne at the same point in his career hands down. I do get where DK is coming from and see Tannehill as nothing more than a raw rookie who could kick the can further down the road or work out to be possible long term answer.I am realistically hoping for something more along the lines of Joe Flacco than pitting him as a future HOFer battling with Luck for a decade. My bigger issue is how we can come out so flat time and time again over the years when we have an oppurtunity to step up to the next level. I think I have to focus on my nfc team Dallas(not much better at this point) just to limit my frustration level at least a little bit.

Hey essti I used capital letter periods and stuff just for you my man.I dont want you getting seas sick.

dolphin Wrote:
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> Not seeing much difference now.
>
> Both lock onto receivers. Both check down and
> throw safe passes.
>
> Both very inaccurate. Neither can come back once
> team is down.
>
> Neither make their receivers look better.
>
> both throw costly interceptions. neither can read
> a NFL defense

I wouldn't compare Tanny to Henne just yet, but I will say that the kid laid a huge stinky load in his diaper today.

The GM has to go.

You trade away your # 1 receiver

acknowledge your remaining receivers are 4/5's at best

cut half of them

Don't draft, or sign one via FA

Don't draft secondary help

Draft a TE that never plays

Draft an RB that never plays

Draft receivers that are cut, or never play?

Didn't make any moves for FA to be RB & WR that could have helped and likely been had for cheap

This is exactly why myself, and other pundits like O Kelly, arent sold on this team as anything close to resembling a playoff team.

Tannehill is a stone cold rookie, and REALLY looked like one today.

Sean Smith, and this defense is an absolute JOKE!!

That was one of the most guttless efforts I've seen from the Phins in a long while.
WTF happened??!! These dumb$#!ts think they're way better than they are because of the early season hype they've been getting.
6.5 pt favorites MY ASS!!

Way to show up in front of the home crowd, you bunch of punk-ass bitches!! You should feel guilty cashing those game checkks!!

wow you guys are a bunch whiny cry babies. I have never seen such concentrated bitchery amongst men anyplace or anywhere.

This is what we should expect from a rookie QB that wasn't picked top 10. 9th game of the season and Tannehill looked completely lost.

Maybe in a couple years, we'll have the kind of QB that can come back from adversity. But taking a couple of years is the definition of a second round QB, not a top ten pick.

Blame Ireland for this.

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DolfanKing Wrote:
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> This is what we should expect from a rookie QB
> that wasn't picked top 10.
Yep! That includes Marino, right? Remember HIS rookie year?

According to local news, Henne nor Beck nor any of the decades of Qb's have been part of a home loss that bad. According to news reports that was the worst home loss this team has had in 44 years... Not a good stat to own for anyone on our team or coaching staff..

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

In a word, "maturity." Perhaps Chyren you are right about Tannehill being "shell shocked." I can make a strong argument that you are correct. Read...

Tannehill knows the offense but is still inexperienced in that his time under center has been little compared to other rookies who played for years at the QB position in college. Intelligence is one thing but reacting to miserable play from other teammates strikes hard at a rookie's confidence. Moreover, the more lousy play from Bush on offense the more the inexperienced Tannehill pressed to make something out of nothing. Some pass routes were poorly executed and the secondary coverage was tight. Tannehill pressed too hard to come up with a play. Again, a confident, intelligent guy trying to make something happen positively, turned against him. A mature QB would have been more patient. Patience is a virtue, and that is what the great QBs with many games under their belt were able to do like Montana, Elway, Manning, along with completing vital 3rd down plays to keep drives alive. Seeing such lousy support play from his teammates caused Tannehill to press and when he did it exacerbated the offense's feeble play. The turnovers became the death knell by halftime.

One has to remember that even Peyton Manning started with a 3-13 rookie year. But Tannehill is not the only issue...he really is the positive. The defense looked overwhelmed and confused the past two games. What changed? Are there more injuries? Was it better coaching by the opponents in preparation for the Fins? Was it overconfidence following the Jets win? Perhaps all of these and more.

When I had a absolutely *&^%$@ day, my father (who would be 98 if living today) would tell me, "even Babe Ruth struck out." That always put things in perspective for me, knowing that tomorrow was another day for me to turn things around and excel. It was good advice then, and it is good advice today as well. The disappointment of the Dolphins losing so decisively can be turned around with mental toughness, practice, diligence and smart coaching.

colonel Wrote:
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> In a word, "maturity." Perhaps Chyren you are
> right about Tannehill being "shell shocked." I
> can make a strong argument that you are correct.
> Read...
>
> Tannehill knows the offense but is still
> inexperienced in that his time under center has
> been little compared to other rookies who played
> for years at the QB position in college.
> Intelligence is one thing but reacting to
> miserable play from other teammates strikes hard
> at a rookie's confidence. Moreover, the more lousy
> play from Bush on offense the more the
> inexperienced Tannehill pressed to make something
> out of nothing. Some pass routes were poorly
> executed and the secondary coverage was tight.
> Tannehill pressed too hard to come up with a play.
> Again, a confident, intelligent guy trying to
> make something happen positively, turned against
> him. A mature QB would have been more patient.
> Patience is a virtue, and that is what the great
> QBs with many games under their belt were able to
> do like Montana, Elway, Manning, along with
> completing vital 3rd down plays to keep drives
> alive. Seeing such lousy support play from his
> teammates caused Tannehill to press and when he
> did it exacerbated the offense's feeble play. The
> turnovers became the death knell by halftime.
>
> One has to remember that even Peyton Manning
> started with a 3-13 rookie year. But Tannehill is
> not the only issue...he really is the positive.
> The defense looked overwhelmed and confused the
> past two games. What changed? Are there more
> injuries? Was it better coaching by the opponents
> in preparation for the Fins? Was it
> overconfidence following the Jets win? Perhaps
> all of these and more.
>
> When I had a absolutely *&^%$@ day, my father (who
> would be 98 if living today) would tell me, "even
> Babe Ruth struck out." That always put things in
> perspective for me, knowing that tomorrow was
> another day for me to turn things around and
> excel. It was good advice then, and it is good
> advice today as well. The disappointment of the
> Dolphins losing so decisively can be turned around
> with mental toughness, practice, diligence and
> smart coaching.

There is much truth here. One only needs to look at the implosion of Cam Newton this year to see the pitfalls of one year college QB's in the NFL. But in my mind the string of rookie head coaches who can't coach to their talent is even worse. We have another inexperienced coach with a plan and if it doesn't work he can't adjust. Disappointing...

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> According to local news, Henne nor Beck nor any of
> the decades of Qb's have been part of a home loss
> that bad. According to news reports that was the
> worst home loss this team has had in 44 years...
> Not a good stat to own for anyone on our team or
> coaching staff..

Hey, we're "failing forward fast"! Wait...that was a different regime, wasn't it

Yep. Those darn rookies. Just about 100% of the time you can make a career forecast after just a few pro games.

That damn RG3 has lost 3 straight. He'll probably be no better than Heath Shuler.

After 5 weeks in the NFL, Andrew Luck was the 4th best rookie QB. Fast forward 4 weeks and now he is the best OF ALL TIME.... and will follow Manning into the HOF.

We all know good QB's never have bad games. Look at Jay Fiedler as he QBed the Jaguars over the Dolphins 62-7. It was easy to see he was better than the QB for the other team.

Steve Young stunk as a Buccaneer. In his 19 games, he threw for only 11 touchdowns with 21 interceptions while completing fewer than 55% of his passes. It was obvious he would never amount to anything.

Oh how I wish we still had Chad Henne. I just can't figure out why he couldn't beat out a second year player with a 53.7% career completion rate.

It is obvious Tannehill will never amount to anything resembling an NFL QB. You can forget about all the positives he has shown up to week 9. It's week 9 that is the true gauge of talent. One game should tell you everything. It doesn't even matter that the entire team sucked ass and played like a division 3 college team. What you saw was exactly what you should expect in the future.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Eesti why bother and put much thought into it?


The real deal is already a game up on mannings first year.

montequi Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
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> > This is what we should expect from a rookie QB
> > that wasn't picked top 10.
> Yep! That includes Marino, right? Remember HIS
> rookie year?

Marino wasn't the game 1 starter.

But if you want to use Marino as the benchmark for a first round QB, then Tanneyhill is failing miserably.

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gnrbaby Wrote:
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> wow you guys are a bunch whiny cry babies. I have
> never seen such concentrated bitchery amongst men
> anyplace or anywhere.


You just hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer.

eesti Wrote:
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> Yep. Those darn rookies. Just about 100% of the
> time you can make a career forecast after just a
> few pro games.
>
> That damn RG3 has lost 3 straight. He'll probably
> be no better than Heath Shuler.
>
> After 5 weeks in the NFL, Andrew Luck was the 4th
> best rookie QB. Fast forward 4 weeks and now he is
> the best OF ALL TIME.... and will follow Manning
> into the HOF.
>
> We all know good QB's never have bad games. Look
> at Jay Fiedler as he QBed the Jaguars over the
> Dolphins 62-7. It was easy to see he was better
> than the QB for the other team.
>
> Steve Young stunk as a Buccaneer. In his 19
> games, he threw for only 11 touchdowns with 21
> interceptions while completing fewer than 55% of
> his passes. It was obvious he would never amount
> to anything.
>
> Oh how I wish we still had Chad Henne. I just
> can't figure out why he couldn't beat out a second
> year player with a 53.7% career completion rate.
>
> It is obvious Tannehill will never amount to
> anything resembling an NFL QB. You can forget
> about all the positives he has shown up to week 9.
> It's week 9 that is the true gauge of talent. One
> game should tell you everything. It doesn't even
> matter that the entire team sucked ass and played
> like a division 3 college team. What you saw was
> exactly what you should expect in the future.


There is nothing Tannehill has done so far that he couldn't have shown in practice. If we don't play RT this season, it is not like he doesn't develop.

The problem here is that the team is playing RT way too early. They prefer to develop a QB quicker rather than win games. Sometimes this makes sense, particularly when it is clear that he can handle NFL level of play out of the gate. Marino and Luck could do that. Tannehill cannot.

I think this team has lost several games it could have won with better QB play. Could it have won this game? Maybe. It certainly would have been a lot closer if the QB wasn't throwing INTs and pick sixes. But when you have a undeveloped rookie, with clear limitations, in a pressure situation, then trailing by one score can turn into trailing by three scores real quick.

I've never got why they are playing Tannehill now. I know some fans think it is a good idea. But when looking at the whole - when looking at the team - it is not a good idea.

IMO, this has everything to do with Ireland trying to cover his butt with a marginal pick. Some people are such huge Tannehill fans that they will create any excuse for the guy. Ireland knows this. He has built in coverage for what is otherwise a poor use of a top ten draft pick.

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We had a bad game and you all are panicking? Let me give you one fact everybody can count on. Henne is a BUM! Tannehill has drive and talent. We will see what he's made of over the next couple years.

It's not Henne vs. Tannehill, GNR. To me it's about the whole team. That was my point. But you, I guess, are saying that "panicking" also refers to criticizing the whole team effort.

Well if us "bad team effort" are thrown in to the same group as panickers as the "Tanny played bad" people, I guess I'll have to defend myself.

I don't know whether panic is the right word.

Panicking denotes that there is a problem that needs to be fixed right away and also somewhat implies that the problem is fixable.

I'm not panicked, I'm depressed.

My problem is that I don't think the PROBLEM WAS the quarterback. It is the old guys, receivers dropping balls, corners and safeties dropping interceptions, special teams players getting penalized for the same thing over and over again, offensive linemen KNOWING THAT THE REFS ARE CALLING THEM AT BEST CLOSE OR AT WORST INTENTIONALLY AGAINST THEM and still doing the same thing getting penalties called, defensive front guys not being able to sack a quarterback lying flat on his back on the ground when all you have to do is touch him while he's down to get the sack, defensive players unable to tackle a man when you have him trapped in the backfield and letting him run for 30 yards,.....................

If you call being disgusted with all of that panicking, then I'm guilty.

But to me it's worse than that. I am depressed and wondering whether the first 8 games where we played it close was a fluke and whether this is the TRUE FACE of the Miami Dolphins of 2012.

So what do you guys suggest? Bench Tannehill for Moore...a career backup with no ceiling?

Scrap the whole thing, package some picks to move up to get the next Mark Sanchez from USC?

Sweet christ. This is a young team devoid of talent.

Hartline is a #2 at best, bess a slot wr. Fasano is not a threat. We have no deep threat.

They're 50mm under the cap and have an extra 2 and 3 in the draft. Give it more than 9 games before you write off the qb and coaching staff.

When things aren't going your way, "fire and fall back." No shame in examining why things aren't going the right way (winning.)

Week after week, I make predictions on who will beat whom, and this year I find my picks to be off the mark. One week a team looks terrific the next they are totally inept.

The Dolphin team has talent. Tannehill is growing even when things go badly for him or his teammates. Things will turn around.

Chyren you're not the only fan that is depressed. I too have watched the Dolphins since there inception. I watched them when I could while on active duty. I've always followed them through thick and thin. As a good fan that's what we do. Hopefully, the tide will turn so our depressive state subsides.

But that doesn't mean I won't watch, Colonel. That's what being an addict means, depressed or not.