ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The question is not whether Moore or RT is a
> better quarterback. It's not even whether Moore
> is better than an injured RT.
>
> THE QUESTION IS DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO RISK
> FURTHER, MAYBE EVEN PERMANENT, INJURY TO
> TANNEHILL!!!!!!!
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> None of the arguments above address that issue.

ChryenB - Tannehill's injury is not that serious, and he doesn't risk a permanent injury by playing further. He has a couple of bruises - what some of us would consider serious boo boos. This isn't torn ligaments or tendons we're talking about. You seem to be extrapolating to the worst case scenario with no evidence to back it up. Maybe that's the lawyer in you.

Personally, if Tannehill's mobility is limited, I would sit him, as this is one of his greatest assets. If his mobility isn't limited, start him.

No, No, Anemone, not extrapolating. It's just that no one actually told me the MEANING of the injury like you did. And without that, I was not willing to take chances.

Honestly, I think we win with Moore or Tannehill. A win this weekend is huge as it puts us firmly in the driver's seat for a wildcard spot.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> No in statistics it isn't... The more attempts
> just leads to more accuracy in the stat... If you
> throw 6 attempts and only complete 2 as Tannehill
> did last week the fewer attempts actually lead to
> a lower score... It is just as easy to grade low
> as high with fewer attempts becaus you have less
> room to make mistakes... The more attempts leads
> to a more accurate stat but it can go low or high
> before it balances out... A smaller sample size
> doesn't make your stats better just less
> accurate.. Sure if you have 3 passes and complete
> them all you look like a stud but if you have 3
> passes and miss them all, you look very bad stats
> wise...


Crowder, thank you! This is a perfectly succinct explanation of how statistically, more attempts increases the probability of "grading higher" or having a better completion percentage. The only exception to this would be if you had significantly less attempts but only threw easy little screens to obscure the results. But all things being equal, if a capable QB is attempting legitimate mid range throws, the important thing to remember is that that QB has an equally high chance of registering a completely dismal completion percentage as they do of having a high one when they only throw 7 balls.

Adversely, another capable QB getting say 30 attempts will statistically have a better chance of grading higher exactly for the reason Crowder cited... with a larger sample size, you get closer and closer to the mean, which for a capable QB means a better completion percentage, or more precisely, a completion percentage more consistent with that QB's true ability.


eesti Wrote:
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Thank you! Finally, someone with that fancy book learnin.


eesti I'm confused. Were you being sarcastic? Or are you now agreeing with Crowder's explanation of how you're statement that "less attempts increases the chances of grading higher" is wrong?

Guys, you are both right. Crowder is right that more attempts leads to a completion percentage more in tune with a QBs ability. However, eesti is right fewer attempts can skew a QBs completion % one way or the other. A QB with only a few attempts can tend to have a bloated completion percentage. Especially, if that QB is running a lot of PA which tend to have open players in the flats at the very least. Also, fewer attempts can lead to a horrible completion % as the QB has fewer chances to recover from bad throws or missed reads or dropped passes. However, we have about a 3/4 of a season of film of Moore in a Miami uniform which should give us a fairly good idea of his real talent, which is not totally dependent on his stats but more dependent on his game film.

Crowder, stats are great and all but they are not the only measuring stick of evaluating an NFL QB. Just because a QB has better stats than another QB does not mean that he is better. It's just an indicator, you have to factor in about a million other things to get to the truth of the matter. Things like quality of competition, Oline play, WR play, effective of running game, play calling, field positioning, etc. Crowder, you like to use stats as a comparison and I appreciate you pointing out interesting stats but statistics should be a start to the discussion/argument not the deciding factor.

Looking at the title of this thread I'm a bit dazed as to why the negative vibes with unecessary bitterness towards the backup dude.

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We got to put it fellows where it is: Ryan is the man for the job.