Under baby T................and that conservative offense.........and all those field goals including all those miss fielgoals we wouldnt even had beat the raiders.


IMO we would be 0-4.

Under baby T we started last season at 0-7 because he did not instill the discipline to show up in shape. That is not a problem now. We will still have growing pains with our rookie HC but, we are in much better shape now.

I have faith that Philbin will right the ship. Bada bing not so much.....He is doing wonders with the jets. Philbin HAS a ring.

Three missed FG's in two games. No chance for fist pumpin when you are kicking knuckle balls.

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This team would be 0-4 under fist pump. The games would not even be close either, 4 blowouts.

As much as I think coaching has lost the last two games, I also believe that coaching has had us in those two games.

Hopefully Philbin and crew will find a happy medium and learn when, and when not, to turn RT loose.

Is this really a question? Who in their right mind would rather have Baby-T?

Like I said, even winning those two games and going 3-1, Baby T would probably lose us every other game and we would end up 3-13 but THESE two games, his style of coaching would have won for us.

He never put the clamps on his quarterbacks' passing until they crossed the 50 yard line so Tanny would have put up the same numbers without the sack and fumble.

Nope. Because with Bada bing we still have Chad Henne under Center. He was Very rigid that way.

gimme a break. under sporano matt moore would be starting and we'd be 1-3 and going nowhere fast. at least we're getting RT some great experience and have hope for the future

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

But we would still have drafted Tannehill? No? Wasn't that Ireland's pick?

we'd have drafted RT but sporano is so conservative he'd never have played him this year

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We would be lucky to scoring 10 points a game under Baby T.

And although RT is having his share of mistakes, he's far from being groomed to be a Check-down-Charlie QB. When this kid matures, this team will be a dreaded opponent for any foe.

The thing with Baby-T is he doesn't have the comprehensive overall seasonal strategy to be a successful head coach. For some reason he seemed to put all of his thoughts and energies into the games versus the Jests. But overall week-to-week the guys would look mentally unprepared and physically under performing by comparison to the other team.

TO me it was a lack of focus that the team had under his leadership which led to abysmal development of players, and horrid languid performances especially in the early part of the season. In fact even the 11-5 wonder season started off with a pair of losses and a single win, if I recall correctly.

On micromanaging the game, you are correct that it would not have been a bad idea to gain a few yards more especially last week on that missed field goal. On this week versus the Cardinals, it was yet another mental lapse to suddenly change up defensive mindsets and blow the lead...but I feel under BABYt , this team would have been beaten badly by a really surprisingly good Cardinals team.


Edit: Yup I checked the games.


2008: 2-4 to start the season, then the wildcat took the nfl by surprise
2009: 0-3 to start
2010: 2-2 But the two wins were Bills(4-12) and Childress' Vikings (bad teams)
2011: 0-7 to start



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Well I guess my choice was death by poison (Philbin) or death by starvation (Baby T).

For the future, I guess Baby T. has systemic problems with his coaching and Philbin has critical dumb-a_s mistakes that baffled everyone.

Maybe, after he reads so much flak on chatboards like this about how he singlehandedly lost us two games, he will know he is NOT God and that he MUST FOLLOW traditional NFL MUST rules.

And a MUST rule is that you MUST run the ball on 1st and 10 at your opponent's 39 yard line when you have a 7 point lead with less than 3 minutes to go. For Chrissakes you might get into field goal range and increase your lead to an insurmountable 10.

I think we're going to play close games.

But I predict that if he LOSES THE NEXT GAME like he lost the prior two, the outcry for his head will become unbearable and Tony's exit will seem like a going away party compared to the calls to have Philbin's head chopped off by the execution.

Philbin, if you're reading this, no more dumb-as mistakes like that!

You know Chyren, the first mistakes I'd like to see fixed is Philbin telling Ireland to dump Nee Nee Na Na Nu Nu, Daniel Thomas, and Dan Carpenter.

That would be FIRST!!!!!

Yup Chyren you got it, Philbin is still learning the job. I admire his unconventional approach, but sometimes traditions just exist because they work!

808 the Dthomas, and neenee personnel choices are troubling. It is heavy ammunition for the Fireland camp.

By the way I'm available for GM if Mr.Ross is reading this.

Hire Toko! Right now!

I breezed through the other posts so I apologize if it's been said but do you think we'd have been IN those games with Sparano?

I agree that, if they both had the benefit of the same situation, Sparano would've been able to pull a win out those two games. Just don't think he'd have made the earlier calls to get us there. I think I've seen more downfield passing in the first four games than we saw all last year.

Good point.

wtf, at least the team has been exciting this year. One thing for sure under sporano this team would have been BORING

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Who says we'd of even had a lead if we'd have been so conservative at all with Sparano's style.

BTW where did you come up with the moniker "Baby T" ?

That said, we do need to be able to grind out possessions whern we get a lead.

GBO made that point. I got Baby T from BNF.

Philbin all the way...not really even a question.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Let me defend my theory. Under Baby T, we would
> be 3-1 now, but it is very possible we might end
> up 3-13.
>
> But you've got to admit that Baby T would have won
> those two overtime games.
>
> Baby T was obsessed with
>
> 1) kicking the field goal
>
> and
>
> 2) running the ball when we had a lead.

TS was obsessed with running the ball and kicking field goals ALL THE TIME.
>
> 1) THE JETS GAME
>
> Baby T would have NEVER tried to throw a bomb on
> 2nd and 8 at the 35 yard line in overtime when a
> field goal WOULD HAVE WON IT! He would have used
> every down except fourth down to run the ball
> closer and closer for the field goal to ensure we
> made it.

Last I checked Sherman calls the plays. Not Philbin. If it was TS we wouldn't have even been in position to win because he would have tried to force the run against a team that we couldn't run against and we would have been down by 17 points. Have you seen the Jets play this year? That's what an o-line coach does for a QB. TS could not have developed RT or offered him an offense he was compatible with....the WCO.

> Go back and look at that missed field goal. Three
> yards closer and the ball hooks AFTER IT GOES
> THROUGH THE TWO GOAL POSTS, not before.
>
>
> 2) THE ARIZONA GAME
>
> I think without a doubt we lost that game because
> of Tannehill's fumble while going back to pass in
> regulation when we were at the Cardinals' 39 yard
> line with a 7 point lead and it was 1st and 10.
>
> No way should Tannehill been allowed to pass. Say
> what you will about Baby T but I want you to put
> your hand on the Bible and say that Baby T would
> have had Tannehill going back to pass in that
> situation. Baby T used to run the ball on 3rd and
> 8 when we had a lead late in the game when we were
> at the 50 yard line. Tell me, dammit, that he
> would have had Tannehill going back to pass in
> that situation!

See above. We wouldn't have been in that position.

>
> No way should we have been doing anything but
> running the ball to eat up the clock. . We had
> NO BUSINESS PASSING! We needed to run the clock
> out and force Arizona to use up their timeouts.
>
> This was an even more stupid mistake than the Jets
> game because even then you could say that if he
> completes that pass we either get a touchdown or
> we are at best in clear field goal range and we
> still had a third down to get the ball closer.
>
> This Arizona game reminds me of the risks that
> teenagers take when they are totally drunk.

OK hindsight is 20/20 but once again if you are going to place blame, it falls on either Sherman who called the play or the guy that missed the blitz pickup. It was one play and if not for ANOTHER missed FG earlier we would have been up 23 or 24 to 14, 23 (with no 2 pt conv) to 21 after the Kolb TD and there is no OT.
>
>
> Come on Guys!!!!!
>
> A lot of you have made the conclusions like "you
> must be crazy" and
> "Baby T" would have us at 0-4.
>
> But go ahead and defend yourself against the
> points I made above.
>
> Right now, Philbin is looking WORSE than Baby T.
> From playing Na Na Nu Nu and Daniel Thomas to not
> playing Lamar while Bush is hurt to all his
> reckless and silly decisions above.
>
> AND NO! I WILL NOT GIVE A ROOKIE COACH A PASS OR
> AN EXCUSE THAT HE HAS TO LIVE AND LEARN. I KNOW
> BETTER THAN THAT CRAP AS A FOOTBALL FAN. WHY
> SHOULD HE BE CUT SLACK FOR MAKING SUCH A STUPID
> DECISION AS TRYING TO PASS THE BALL WHEN WE ARE
> TRYING TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK!

I do agree we should have been running the ball but I'm not gonna blame Philbin for other peoples mistakes....Carpenter, Sherman, Lane, Incognito, Marshall. And in defense of Sherman, RT was throwing the ball well and he had confidence in him....but we should have run the ball on 2nd down.

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I think there are three points to be made here: 1. This coach has showed he believes in his QB by allowing him to change plays at the line, so has shown he is willing to accept the consequences, whatever they may be. 2. The kid is a typical arrogant QB- he is always looking for the play that will-as Johnny U liked to say-"kill 'em." Tannehill likes to throw the ball from anywhere on the field- and just like any QB worth his salt, he believes in his ability to complete it and not have to depend on a field goal to win the game. I don't know that he changed the play at that point, but I wouldn't be surprised, and neither would Philbin have been. And 3., even with Carpenter being in a slump- every kicker has them, no need to panic, he has a damn good track record- past experience says that distance is like clockwork for this kicker. (get real- do you really think a few yards would have made a difference? do you expect that it would have gone through then made a turn? it started hooking that way pretty far out.)

Rick

Carpenter cost us a few games over the past couple years if I recall.

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