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We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: September 24, 2012 03:31PM

Myself and everybody else on this board realizes that we have the worst WR corp in the league. We will most likely have a top 5 pick, just as I said back in June.

But here is the real issue, only Robert Woods is a WR that is projected as a top 10 pick, and he is not liked by all analyst. Most people say he is not a true #1 and frankly I get quite concerned when dealing with USC WR's, see Keyshawn, Dwayne Jarrett, Pat Turner, and many others...

Anywho, there is a another position that may be as big of a need, and that is a pass rusher. We have Cam Wake and thats it.

And next year there are 3 absurd elite pass rushers coming out. Barkevious Mingo, Jarvis Jones, and Sam Montgomery will make up the greatest pass rushing class in draft history. All 3 are absolute players, and all 3 are expected to be graded higher than Von Miller was coming out.

So my question to you guys is, if you were in charge, who would you take seeing the HUGE needs we have?

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: September 24, 2012 04:59PM

bpa, dogg

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: DolfanKing ()
Date: September 24, 2012 05:05PM

WR. That explains all those overthrown passes. eye rolling smiley

We may end up picking another QB.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 24, 2012 05:06PM

BPAAAPON.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: September 24, 2012 05:25PM

Why not sign a FA WR or trade? That's still an option.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: September 24, 2012 05:26PM

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> WR. That explains all those overthrown passes.
> eye rolling smiley
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> We may end up picking another QB.


I wished I could see Curly frOm the 3 stooges mule kick you in the balls.

Would make my day.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 24, 2012 05:36PM


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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: September 24, 2012 06:23PM

Instead of throwing what might be a top 5 pick on a WR who isn't worth being one I would go for a pass rusher.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: GBOFinFan ()
Date: September 24, 2012 06:37PM

Another elite pass rusher opposite wake would be nasty (See Giants pass rush). I can see the look on Brady's face as he's straightening his helmet. angry smiley

Pick a couple wr's in the second and, if available, add another via fa.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: September 24, 2012 06:54PM

If there isn't a stand out WR available then yes, I'd take a dominant pass rusher in RD 1, if one was there when we pick...or a dominant LB, or a great TE to hedge our bet with Egnew.

WR in this case could wait until RD 2.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: DarthHoodie ()
Date: September 24, 2012 07:00PM

Definitely grab one of those pass rushers.

It all boils down to need vs BPA.

in this case the BPA is also a need...easy.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: DolfanKing ()
Date: September 24, 2012 07:10PM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
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> > WR. That explains all those overthrown passes.
> > eye rolling smiley
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> > We may end up picking another QB.
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> I wished I could see Curly frOm the 3 stooges mule
> kick you in the balls.
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> Would make my day.

Wow you are a happy person. Random people you don't know can upset you so much over an opinion on a football player.

What is hysterical about this is that I'm speaking the truth. RT is overthrowing his WRs - they are open, but he is overthrowing them. And so your solution is to get another WR.

The is a possibility that if Tannehill keeps this up, we will have a new QB. Rather than acknowledge that fact, you'd like to fantasy about my ball getting kicked in. LOL! You got problems man.

Besides that, you seem more a fan of a single player than the team.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: dolphin1423 ()
Date: September 24, 2012 08:39PM

Definitely go for one of the pass rushers. I like Jarvis Jones the most because of his versatility and I think he can be like Von Miller in Denver. We can run a 4-3 under with

Odrick Soliai Starks Wake
Jarvis Dansby Burnett

This is the same defense that Seattle, NE, and Denver run and it is nasty with the right personnel. Did you guys see Seattle tonight?

Misi is odd man out in this scenario but he will provide better depth. Misi could also allow Jones to come along slowly and be used in more obvious passing situations at first, similar to Aldon Smith last year.

One of the other things I'd like to see us do is trade back into the bottom half of the 1st round to nab a top DB prospect. Should be able to do it with a 2nd and 3rd rounder, assuming one of our second rounders is at the top of the round.

For DB I like:
T.J. McDonald S USC- great athleticism and size, physical run defender, routinely picks up WR and TE in coverage and seldom beaten, good football smarts, good instincts, can switch easily between SS and FS responsibilities (perfect for Miami's scheme)

Tony Jefferson S Oklahoma- exceptional athleticism, great in coverage and easily picks up WR and TE, good in run support, great instincts and makes big plays often

Demarcus Milliner CB Alabama- good athleticism and size, great press man skills, tough in run support, good instincts and well coached at Bama

Xavier Rhodes CB Fl St- Great size and athleticism, already skilled in press man coverage (miami's scheme), not afraid to make tackles in run support, shut down Micheal Floyd (Az 1st round pick) last season, somewhat similar to Stephen Gilmore from last years draft

David Amerson CB NC St- Reminiscent of Sean Smith when he came out of Utah but Amerson possesses a more physical style and superior ball skills, great height (6'3"winking smiley, could move to S if he fills out, great in zone but has size to be very effective in press man (miami's scheme), good athleticism as well, ballhawk

Some of these won't be available in the 2nd half of round 1 but they all fit our scheme, have good athleticism, and are noted for their coverage skills in particular.

So, would you trade back up to pick a DB? Which of these do you prefer or do you like someone else?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2012 08:54PM by dolphin1423.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: September 25, 2012 02:03AM

Pass rusher for sure, it would fill a huge need, but I doubt we have a top 5 pick, top 10 maybe. Remember, G. Jennings is a FA next year and we have alot of cap space available.

Also, if everyone would just ignore DK's stupidity he might fade off into the sunset, it's obvious he's just screwing with people now, so why feed into it?

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: September 25, 2012 02:07AM

We better get two pass rushes w/ 2 of the first 5 picks, Wake's not getting any younger.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 25, 2012 08:22AM

We picked Mike Pouncey at no. 15 in the 2011 draft. Number 16 was Ryan Kerrigan who went to the Redskins. I guess I would not go back and trade even if I could because we need a good center even more than a good pass rusher and I disagree with those who say that you can get just as good an offensive lineman in the third round as in the first round.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: September 25, 2012 09:32AM

An "elite" WR (may) emerge sometime this year from the college ranks, but who knows?

Great WRs can be taken in the 2nd round on, so my choice would be the pass rusher. Have to wait, tho, to see who will be that #1 guy. Of course, Miami could be too far down the draft list to get that guy, but hopefully there will be a few great ones available when Miami's turn comes.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: September 27, 2012 06:13AM

If this draft ends up like every year past...we will end up just outside the spot where the line is drawn between elite and good players.

I think we have equal needs at CB and WR. We need a stud who is a grown up instead of a man child.

I say BPA between CB, WR and DE. We just have to hit on a Superstar if there is one available.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: Jim B ()
Date: September 27, 2012 02:42PM

On the first day of the draft, I think we will focus on these skill positions....

WR, Safety, CB, DE, TE

I haven't done the research yet to see the strength of this draft, but WR would be my first choice...and then I would be looking for an Ed Reed type of safety that could lead the back end and punish the Patsies TE's.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Date: September 27, 2012 09:54PM

Barkevious Mingo would make a cool Jersey. thumbs updrinking smiley

Go defense with the #1 Pick. Go defense and offense with the next 2 Round 2 picks. Then best players available.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: dolphin1423 ()
Date: September 27, 2012 11:55PM

I agree TCP, defense with first rounder for sure. We are one stud pass rusher or DB away from a pretty nasty D. BTW, Sean Smith allowed zero catches in the Jets game. He is looking good to start the year along with Reshad Jones.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: September 28, 2012 02:58AM

I like that plan! Just grab an "Ed Reed" HOF type of player in the second round. No problem. smiling smiley

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: September 28, 2012 03:54AM

eesti Wrote:
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> I like that plan! Just grab an "Ed Reed" HOF type
> of player in the second round. No problem. smiling smiley

There you go! Problem solved!

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: DarthHoodie ()
Date: September 28, 2012 04:18AM

Assuming the Phins continue the course towards an early rounder, here are some prospects to look at:

WR Keenan Allen, California
DL Sam Montgomery, LSU
DL Barkevious Mingo, LSU

I think any of these guys would be a great addition. smiling smiley

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: September 28, 2012 05:00AM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Barkevious Mingo would make a cool Jersey.
> thumbs updrinking smiley
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Is this a real person? if so that's the all time best name I've ever heard!

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: September 28, 2012 07:33AM

So do we now have two or three 2nd rounders?

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: DolfanKing ()
Date: September 29, 2012 07:23AM

We need a different GM.

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: September 29, 2012 09:16AM

Looks like we have 1-1st, 2-2nds & 2-3rd rndrs eesti, hopefully its a good draft for DEs, LBs and WRs

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: Jim B ()
Date: September 29, 2012 09:41AM

Current Draft status:

1st Round
2nd Round
2nd Round (Colts)
3rd Round
3rd Round (Chicago)
4th Round
5th Round
6th Round (Colts – Conditional)
7th Round


Traded 6th to San Fran

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Re: We have a 2013 draft dilemma...
Posted by: Jim B ()
Date: September 29, 2012 09:44AM

Yikes, I wasn't suggesting that for the 2nd round. If a WR that we really like is not on the board in the first...I think the next player to look for should be a Safety with major pro-bowl skills.

Ed Reed was selected 24th in 2002
Troy Polamalu was selected 16th in 2003



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