we sure sporano didn't coach this one for us? confounding play calls. coache's TO leading to loss. conservative at all the wrong times. really awful game.

on the upside, Indy also lost so our draft pick bounty looking better. maybe we'll draft a DB to replace V Davis

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> we sure sporano didn't coach this one for us?
> confounding play calls. coache's TO leading to
> loss. conservative at all the wrong times. really
> awful game.
>
> on the upside, Indy also lost so our draft pick
> bounty looking better. maybe we'll draft a DB to
> replace V Davis


I don't know about the play calling. I think overall it was OK. We have a problem with the QB right now.

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true, but still better than henne

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A non-existent pass rush didnt help either.
Nolan Carroll was a one man clu fu out there.

We really need another good CB or good pass rusher. So many times we almost made plays on the ball or almost sacked Sanchez. Our D could be really good if we can get another good player to put more pressure on the offense. Richard Marshall is a good player but he is definitely more suited to nickelback, Holmes had his way with him for most of the afternoon. Wake must lead the league in hurries after this game, Sanchez is one slippery SOB. On offense, we obviously need more weapons. None of our WR or TE could consistently win 1 on 1s and Tannehill has no go to guy. IMO, a go to target makes life for a rookie QB much easier. Also, Dan Carpenter is on notice for early vacation this year. A healthy Reggie and we win this game easily, they couldn't stop the running game.

In short, we let this one slip away. Clearly we have superior talent and clearly Sanchez sucks.

Oh Sparano was there but he was screwing up the Jets.

Whereas he was too conservative with us (except putting in the Wildcat) his successors are too reckless.

They think they have Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning at QB but what they have is a young kid whose long ball accuracy is bad and they kept telling him to throw the long ball too often.

His 10 to 15 yard passes were almost 100% caught.

Anythime he went over 15 yards there was an incompletion.


This was a silly loss.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Oh Sparano was there but he was screwing up the
> Jets.
>
> Whereas he was too conservative with us (except
> putting in the Wildcat) his successors are too
> reckless.
>
> They think they have Aaron Rodgers or Peyton
> Manning at QB but what they have is a young kid
> whose long ball accuracy is bad and they kept
> telling him to throw the long ball too often.
>
> His 10 to 15 yard passes were almost 100% caught.
>
> Anythime he went over 15 yards there was an
> incompletion.
>
>
> This was a silly loss.


Most of this is on the QB, not the coaching staff.

This offense will always run deep routes to make room underneath. That is actually a sound scheme. For some reason, RT was trying to hit all the deep WRs even though they weren't open and he couldn't have hit them accurately if they were open.

RT needs to realize that he isn't Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.


I think he has been listening to some of the knuckleheads that are calling him the next Marino.

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That's BS, DK, I doubt very seriously Tannehill is given absolutely free rein on each play. The plays come in to him and certainly he can improvise if he must but there are idiots on the bench and up in the stand who think they see something and think they can beat so and so defender and give him the green light.

They fail to see that Tannehill's long range accuracy is atrocious.

He's great at about 15 to 20 yards but 25 yards plus, he stinks, quite frankly.

The only saving grace is that the ball is usually uncatchable by anyone at all and often goes way out of bounds.

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh Sparano was there but he was screwing up the
> > Jets.
> >
> > Whereas he was too conservative with us (except
> > putting in the Wildcat) his successors are too
> > reckless.
> >
> > They think they have Aaron Rodgers or Peyton
> > Manning at QB but what they have is a young kid
> > whose long ball accuracy is bad and they kept
> > telling him to throw the long ball too often.
> >
> > His 10 to 15 yard passes were almost 100%
> caught.
> >
> > Anythime he went over 15 yards there was an
> > incompletion.
> >
> >
> > This was a silly loss.
>
>
> Most of this is on the QB, not the coaching
> staff.
>
> This offense will always run deep routes to make
> room underneath. That is actually a sound scheme.
> For some reason, RT was trying to hit all the
> deep WRs even though they weren't open and he
> couldn't have hit them accurately if they were
> open.
>

Nail. Head.
Tannehill missed open guys underneath and his accuracy wasn't very good late in the game. Not on the coaching staff, the playcalls put players in a position to succeed. Lots of crossing routes and rubs got guys open since we couldn't win a 1 on 1 matchup (our WR vs. their D most of the game.

RT made mistakes because he's supposed to. Rookies do that, overall I'm VERY HAPPY with his play and his development. We need more weapons around him for sure and the defense needs to become a more stout group but we are well within range of making those things happen in the upcoming draft.

We also had a few coaching mistakes and a very key injury...we should have won this game.

Bottom line the D, RT, and the rest of the Offense did more that enough to win this game...special teams let us down, but no one more than Carpenter. If he makes the first kick the second is for the win and the game dosen't make it to OT.

These were kicks that he usually makes...it sucks but its on him more than anything else.

The coaches did thier jobs today, because we were multiple times, in position to win the game...coaches can't do much more than that.

Players have to perform, period...today Carpenter didn't.

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

> Nail. Head.
> Tannehill missed open guys underneath and his
> accuracy wasn't very good late in the game. Not
> on the coaching staff, the playcalls put players
> in a position to succeed. Lots of crossing routes
> and rubs got guys open since we couldn't win a 1
> on 1 matchup (our WR vs. their D most of the
> game.


I still say that I doubt very seriously Tannehill is given absolutely free rein on each play. The plays come in to him and certainly he can improvise if he must but there are idiots on the bench and up in the stand who think they see something and think they can beat so and so defender and give him the green light.

They fail to see that Tannehill's long range accuracy is atrocious.

He's great at about 15 to 20 yards but 25 yards plus, he stinks, quite frankly.

The only saving grace is that the ball is usually uncatchable by anyone at all and often goes way out of bounds.

And meanwhile the QB that Miami should have drafted has 8 TD's & 0 INT's so far this season. This franchise is so far behind what it should be by now.

I think we are agreeing then Chyren. Tannehill struggled with his deep accuracy. When I say Thill missed guys underneath, I mean that he didn't see them not that he made a poor throw.

I thought Tannehill played like a drunken sailor. He was probably coming off a "high" from the Raider game. He will no doubt be more sober next week and realize that he might just go down as a bust instead of how he imagined himself this week---the Top QB performer or at least tied with RGIII for the top.

What Qb are you referring to 808? Every rookie has thrown at least 1 pick this year.

I was about to ask the same question.

seeing sporano on the other sideline, it is really easy to see how wack the wildcat is. it screws up the team's rhythem an also makes it it really easy to predict the play call. actually the wildcat is worse with a guy like tebow running it--at least with ricky and ronnie you couldn't completely see what was coming the minute a particular guy came into the game

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The coaches make the play calls and Tannehill makes the reads and is responsible to make the throws he interprets as open.. He read endzone on every play yet didn't make one completion with his reads... Those are on Tannehill trying to be a heroe before he walks....

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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well said crowder. Thill was obviously going for the game winner and he couldn't get it done.

Well, Crowder you and I aren't disagreeing really.

Don't you think its ABSOLUTELY STUPID to put that much trust in a young guy and if he does the wrong thing over and over again how long does it take you to call him to the sidelines and slap him on the helmet (like they used to do us in Oklahoma) and tell him to stop being so stupid?

How bout the fact we have no WRs, and nothing special past Reggie at RB.
Kind of hard to ask rookie to make plays with a bunch of scrubs that cant catch.

Chyren he is inexperienced and raw, your system is about reads and audibles, there isnt much you can do about it as a coach, when he makes a read and lets its fly...maybe the WR wasnt open enough, maybe it was the wrong read, maybe he wasnt accurate with the throw, who knows, but the bottom line he wasnt successfull, and he made alot of throws to the endzone instead of dumping it off to take easy yards the Jets would have given us in order to protect the endzone... If you went for yards instead of glory, you put yourself in a better position to win the game.. Tannehill chose glory, didnt get it done and we weren't in a better position to win the game as a result..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Chyren he is inexperienced and raw, your system is
> about reads and audibles, there isnt much you can
> do about it as a coach, when he makes a read and
> lets its fly...maybe the WR wasnt open enough,
> maybe it was the wrong read, maybe he wasnt
> accurate with the throw, who knows, but the bottom
> line he wasnt successfull, and he made alot of
> throws to the endzone instead of dumping it off to
> take easy yards the Jets would have given us in
> order to protect the endzone... If you went for
> yards instead of glory, you put yourself in a
> better position to win the game.. Tannehill chose
> glory, didnt get it done and we weren't in a
> better position to win the game as a result..


That's it. He chose wrong and there was really no sensible option except to play safely and conservatively for the win.

LET ME MAKE AN ADMISSION OF IGNORANCE ON MY PART.

I wasn't sure what was the rule after the Jets got the ball and failed to score a touchdown.

Was it like the college rule that if we scored a field goal, then the JETS WOULD GET ANOTHER CHANCE????????????????

If, on the other hand we scored a touchdown, whould that mean that we won the game because the Jets failed to score a touchdown.

I didn't know the rules.

So I figured on the 2nd and six play where Tannehill throws the long attempt at a touchdown down the left side the strategy was this.....let's see if we can make a touchdown to win the game. That way, if he completes the pass we either score a touchdown or have the ball inside the 10 yard line making it more likely for us to score a touchdown to win. If we just play for a field goal, they get another chance to come back and either tie or win after we kick the field goal.

BUT THEN I DISCOVER THAT A FIELD GOAL BY US WOULD HAVE MEANT THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!

What in the hELL WAS THE PURPOSE FOR THAT LONG BALL except to pass up an opportunity to get a few yards closer.

Had we kicked that field goal FROM TWO FRIGGIN YARDS CLOSER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD!

Do you guys realize that?????

The field goal faded away a yard from the goal posts.

These idiots went for the touchdown when all we needed to win the game was a field goal.

Again and again, remember that. These clowns went for the touchdown when all they needed was the field goal.


Keep saying it over and over again if you want to defend the coaching staff.

the fg wasn't short, it was way wide, so I don't think a few yards closer makes a difference, but i take your point

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No I'm not saying it was short. By faded I mean it was shanked. It faded away from the center. And I disagree that it was wide by more than a yard or two. I mean it looked good until the last possible second when it faded right.

I just want to say one thing to Dan Carpenter........F You!



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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Chyren he is inexperienced and raw, your system
> is
> > about reads and audibles, there isnt much you
> can
> > do about it as a coach, when he makes a read
> and
> > lets its fly...maybe the WR wasnt open enough,
> > maybe it was the wrong read, maybe he wasnt
> > accurate with the throw, who knows, but the
> bottom
> > line he wasnt successfull, and he made alot of
> > throws to the endzone instead of dumping it off
> to
> > take easy yards the Jets would have given us in
> > order to protect the endzone... If you went for
> > yards instead of glory, you put yourself in a
> > better position to win the game.. Tannehill
> chose
> > glory, didnt get it done and we weren't in a
> > better position to win the game as a result..
>
>
> That's it. He chose wrong and there was really no
> sensible option except to play safely and
> conservatively for the win.
>
> LET ME MAKE AN ADMISSION OF IGNORANCE ON MY PART.
>
> I wasn't sure what was the rule after the Jets got
> the ball and failed to score a touchdown.
>
> Was it like the college rule that if we scored a
> field goal, then the JETS WOULD GET ANOTHER
> CHANCE????????????????
>
> If, on the other hand we scored a touchdown,
> whould that mean that we won the game because the
> Jets failed to score a touchdown.
>
> I didn't know the rules.
>
> So I figured on the 2nd and six play where
> Tannehill throws the long attempt at a touchdown
> down the left side the strategy was this.....let's
> see if we can make a touchdown to win the game.
> That way, if he completes the pass we either score
> a touchdown or have the ball inside the 10 yard
> line making it more likely for us to score a
> touchdown to win. If we just play for a field
> goal, they get another chance to come back and
> either tie or win after we kick the field goal.
>
> BUT THEN I DISCOVER THAT A FIELD GOAL BY US WOULD
> HAVE MEANT THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!
>
> What in the hELL WAS THE PURPOSE FOR THAT LONG
> BALL except to pass up an opportunity to get a few
> yards closer.
>
> Had we kicked that field goal FROM TWO FRIGGIN
> YARDS CLOSER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD!
>
> Do you guys realize that?????
>
> The field goal faded away a yard from the goal
> posts.
>
> These idiots went for the touchdown when all we
> needed to win the game was a field goal.
>
> Again and again, remember that. These clowns went
> for the touchdown when all they needed was the
> field goal.

When you say clowns, you mean Tannehill. Tannehill made the read to throw it deep. There were underneath receivers that were open on the play. Obviously, the coaches didn't make the read and then make an inaccurate throw deep. That's on Tannehill. If you are saying that we should have ran the ball and taken the yards then you have a point but you can't blame the coaching staff for Tanehill's mistakes.

If I had been the coach, he would have been told. We're not gonna do anything but run the ball in and get as close as we can for the field goal. I would not have ALLOWED a young guy like that to be tempted to gamble.

If any of you are watching the Ravens Patsies game, look how the Ravens are regarding this last possession of the half.

See that's the way you do it. Run, run, run, let them know you are getting the best field goal position and then take a REALISTIC shot at a pass. Not a friggin HAIL MARY when you are in a position TO WIN the game.

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> What Qb are you referring to 808? Every rookie
> has thrown at least 1 pick this year.

The one that this franchise passed up on in 2008. Now we're 4 years behind developing a QB. The only way I'll ever get over that is if RT turns out.