that is a slam dunk.

yayyyy

Uhh...who replaces him, though? Carl Peterson?

It doesn't seem to matter.

So if they axe Fireland, what happens to Philbin? Most GMs want their own coach.

Geezus effing cheese stick. Ross has seriously screwed this team up.

I'm not celebrating this. Because if a new Gm comes in he will probably dump the entire staff and next year we will be rebuilding again. Although I'm not an Ireland supporter based off his drafting ability I'm pulling for him and this team to turn the corner!

I'd have no problem with Ireland getting the ax, but I DO NOT want Carl Peterson stepping in. That would be like firing Cam Cameron and replacing him with Rod Marinelli.

We need this franchise to lose money and fans so Ross gets discouraged and sells it. He obviously has zero football IQ if he was convinced this seasons team was play off bound.

I *shudder* to think Peterson has to possibility to be on his way in, but luckily Peterson is an old man and probably didn't want the job when it was alluded to be offered to him. We'll see...just about anyone is an upgrade over Jeffy at this point. Ireland's only skill seems to be finding UDFA's. Not good enough, I say!

I fear that firing Ireland at this point would be very, very, bad for the team as a whole...it would most likely mean ANOTHER new coach (This would be 7 in 12 seasons), and associated staff and new players, ANOTHER new system...and at minnimum ANOTHER three to five years in the cellar.

We cannot keep firing coaches, GM's and Coordinators...teams that keep doing this are ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, bad!

We need stability above all else. Once we have that, we'll get better.

doesn't matter. we need to fire Ireland. are you saying keep him around even though he is clearly incompetent? until we get a GM who is not a clueless buffoon, we will be the Matt Miller era Det Lions

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I don't think he's incompetent...he's also had to deal with system changes and he hasen't done a bad job in the last two drafts, JMO.

wrong on both counts. he is incompetent and he's done a bad job with the drafts.

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Keeping Ireland is throwing good money after bad.

Either the new GM is going to judge that the coaching staff knows what they are doing, or the new GM will fire them. I think the only way this could work out long term is if they either give Philbin GM power, or steal someone from Green Bay's FO.

However, it doesn't really matter. If we keep Ireland, then this team will perpetually suck no matter the coaching staff. As an OC once said - "You can't make chicken liver out of chicken "droppings"".

The only problem I have with this is why Ross hasn't fired Ireland already. I mean, to say we have to win at least 5 games or he's gone - why even bother. If Ross has to set the bar that low, after the last two seasons, then he should just fire the guy outright. It would have made a lot more sense considering he was going to change the coaching staff anyways.

This is why Ross is a bad owner. He is only now recognizing the corner he has backed himself into, and is still trying to weasel out with this "at least 5 wins" nonsense. Any rational football observer watching yesterday's game would know that 5 wins is likely not going to happen. And to think that Ireland would keep his job with six wins....

My big worry would be who Ross hires next.

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ross is such a putz he may just give philbin complete control. I think Ross is truly afraid to make football decisions on his own, so if he is "comfortable" around philbin (he reportedly is) and carl peterson approves, he'll probably just allow philbin total power, and there is nothing to suggest he merits that

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> ross is such a putz he may just give philbin
> complete control. I think Ross is truly afraid to
> make football decisions on his own,

And thank goodness for that. I'm sure one of the reasons he's afraid to make football decisions on his own, is that he's aware that he's not qualified to make those decisions.


so if he is
> "comfortable" around philbin (he reportedly is)
> and carl peterson approves, he'll probably just
> allow philbin total power, and there is nothing to
> suggest he merits that

I agree, as this is Phiblin's first stint ever at head coach...baby steps. But at the very least Philbin merits it more than Ross himself does.