Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
Been asked a lot about Weeden. Watched 4 gms. Saw NFL route combinations + progression reads. Velocit between the numbers. Less outside.

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
More Weeden: Poise + patience to his play. Some excellent seam throws. Inconsistent accuracy. Would like to see better ball location overall


Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
More Weeden: Tendency to drift in pocket with poor footwork + balance in response to pressure. Must be corrected to be quality NFL starter.

Inconsistent accuracy and poor footwork, sounds like a poor fit for the WCO

Does he have anything on Tannehill?

Yeah, I posted these in another thread, you must of missed em

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
Tannehill better prospect than Ponder. NIce feel in pocket. Good pocket mobility re: lack of experience. Willing to make stick throws.

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
Tannehill needs work with progession reading but can be coached. Must learn to validate safeties after snap. Threw well outside the numbers.

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
Tannehill threw w/anticipation. NFL throws: Outs, seams, hooks. Poised w/downfield focus. May have best pocket command + mobility in class.

Kirk Cousins

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
Asked about Cousins. Compact delivery but not big arm. Ability to progression read NFL route combinations. Efficient off play + boot action.

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
More Cousins: Needs functional space. Tendency to drift in response to pressure. No special qualities. Neither big arm nor highly accurate

Greg Cosell ? @gregcosell
Cousins example of QB who must be managed + manipulated by scheme to be effective due to passing limitations. True of most, like M. Flynn.


Yikes, doesn't sound like Cousins fits real well in a WCO either.

Some have Tannehill going #4 to Cleveland I expect they would take him at the top of the second

When did Cosell became a QB evaluator worth listening to?

I predict that Tannehill will be gone before the 8th pick. With the new rookie salary rules it makes drafting a QB early in the 1st round a lot less risky compared to what it used to be.

let Cleveland risk another QB bust with 1 year of experience

let Cleveland risk another QB bust with 1 year of college experience

I'm no expert, only time will tell Chyren.

Agreed. I could be flat-out ass wrong.

You know whats ironic, Dolphaholic?

The same group of people that swore Mallett was a superstar in now saying Tennehill will be a bust.

And the same people who said Mallett was going to be a bust is now saying Tennehill will be good.

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Is Greg Cosell related to Howard?

Yeah, I always preface the draft talk with "I don't watch enough college football to know", but there are a few "experts" I trust more then others, and Greg Cosell is at the top of the list. Ultimately though, it won't matter what Cosell, McShay, Brandt or Kiper says about Tannehill, we hired Philbin and Sherman for reason, and just like with Flynn, I'll trust their opinion, if they say he's the real deal, then I'll give him the benefit of a doubt, same goes if they pass.

The other dynamic in all of this is Cleveland, I don't think they'll take him at #4, but its possible. It could also be a situation where they grab Blackmon then trade him to the Rams if Tannehill's still there at #6. I'd like to think Sherman will have a feel for, or even strong connections to someone close to Holmgren, so that he'll know which way he's leaning on Tannehill. Like berk, not sure I wanna trade up to #3 to get him, too costly.

Tannehill will be there at 8 and I think we grab him then.

Could be wrong, but that's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

But Chyren, we all knew Mallett could not beat out Brady.

But to add to that, he cant even beat out Brian Hoyer. Ryan Mallett didn't even dress for most games. He is a bust.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2012 04:50PM by Aqua&Orange.

When you put a 2nd round tender on your second string QB that means one of two things:

1) You have ZERO confidence in your 3rd string QB

2) You are really HIGH on your second string QB

I have heard nor seen anything that leads me to believe that Hoyer is a very good QB. I have heard nor seen anything that leads me to believe Hoyer is considered a very good back up QB. I conclude that the Pats, at this point, have very little confidence in Mallet. Now that doesn't mean he is a bust or he can't develop into a good QB. But that does say that Mallet would NOT have been the answer this season or last season at QB. He needs lots of development, which is clear based on the fact that he is buried behind Hoyer on the depth chart.

Mallet is terrible according to reports out of New England.

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I don't see the Patriots cutting him. I don't see them trading him. I can see putting Hoyer, who has had NFL experience on the chart ahead of him.

I haven't looked but where is Garrard on our chart? Is he number three? I would be shocked if he's not number 2.

Yet, Ryan Mallett has NO NFL PLAYING EXPERIENCE probably outside of pre-season, yet you expect him to be number 2 on the depth chart when Hoyer arrives.

It makes sense for the Pats to go into the season with Brady and a back-up who has NFL experience. Beyond that, we must see how the pre-season works out.

A & O, you're a fine military man. And being a military man, you know, as I learned from such men growing up in basically, Fort Sill, Oklahoma, you should be the most careful when you are the most desperate.

At times like that, the most improbable option seems like a sure bet. Better to pull back and await a better opportunity.

sounds like Henne part 2.

Who sounds like Henne 2.0 Monty?

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Who sounds like Henne 2.0 Monty?

Cosell's description of Weedon.

Ah, that's what I thought but wasn't sure with all of the QBs discussed.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> But Chyren, we all knew Mallett could not beat out
> Brady.
>
> But to add to that, he cant even beat out Brian
> Hoyer. Ryan Mallett didn't even dress for most
> games. He is a bust.


Dude.

He's a third round rookie QB.

He's not a bust.

He's an "incomplete."

And Hoyer SHOULD beat him out coming out of preseason (even if Mallett may have out played him) because he KNOWS THE SYSTEM.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> > But Chyren, we all knew Mallett could not beat
> out
> > Brady.
> >
> > But to add to that, he cant even beat out Brian
> > Hoyer. Ryan Mallett didn't even dress for most
> > games. He is a bust.
>
>
> Dude.
>
> He's a third round rookie QB.
>
> He's not a bust.
>
> He's an "incomplete."
>
> And Hoyer SHOULD beat him out coming out of
> preseason (even if Mallett may have out played
> him) because he KNOWS THE SYSTEM.

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Excuses.

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But Chyren, we all knew Mallett could not beat
> out
> > Brady.
> >
> > But to add to that, he cant even beat out Brian
> > Hoyer. Ryan Mallett didn't even dress for most
> > games. He is a bust.
>
>
> Dude.
>
> He's a third round rookie QB.
>
> He's not a bust.
>
> He's an "incomplete."
>
> And Hoyer SHOULD beat him out coming out of
> preseason (even if Mallett may have out played
> him) because he KNOWS THE SYSTEM.

I agree that he is an imcomplete but it's not a very promising start. Hoyer was an undrafted QB albeit with a few years in the system. Mallet was a potential 1st round pick until character concerns dropped him (mobility concerns probably dropped him some as well). We will see if Mallet can claim the #2 job this off season and if he doesn't then it bodes ill for his future.