Not giving up.......But my man Jake Long is turning into a Multi Million Injury Machine.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> How can we have so little cap space with the team
> we have?
>
First of all, we've overpaid our O-Linemen. Long, Pouncey, etc... I don't think you need all-world 1st-round O-Linemen to have a good O-Line. Hudson Houck proved that.

We also overpaid for Dansby big-time.

samsam3738 Wrote:

> Another thing....
>
> How can we have so little cap space with the team
> we have?
>
>

$13M in dead money for Brandon Marshall, Vernon Carey, Yeremiah Bell, and Vontae Davis.

$13M for Jake Long. $12M for Karlos Dansby. Approximately $30M for Burnett, Incognito, Bush, Starks, Fasano, and McDaniel. $9M Moore, Garrard, and Tannehill.

There's $77M right there, for 15 guys, 4 of whom don't play for us any more.

I think McDaniel's spot is in danger because of his salary. And I don't think there is any way we keep both Garrard and Moore. And if we had any other options at TE, Fasano would be in jeopardy.

If people think what's gone on with Marshall, Johnson, and Davis is bad, wait until next year. Next year there will be a serious housecleaning of high salaried players, including Dansby, Bush, Fasano, and maybe even Long. Get used to cutting salary and accumulating draft picks. This team has it's sights set on 2014 and beyond.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Not giving up.......But my man Jake Long is
> turning into a Multi Million Injury Machine.


And im sick of it man. He is becoming a liabilty to this team rather than an asset. If he is healthy somehow we need to test the market and see what we can get for him.

montequi Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How can we have so little cap space with the
> team
> > we have?
> >
> First of all, we've overpaid our O-Linemen. Long,
> Pouncey, etc... I don't think you need all-world
> 1st-round O-Linemen to have a good O-Line. Hudson
> Houck proved that.
>
> We also overpaid for Dansby big-time.


NE was playing with backups for a while for gods sake and they kept winning.

Darnsbi is definetely and underachievr on this team.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
>
> > Another thing....
> >
> > How can we have so little cap space with the
> team
> > we have?
> >
> >
>
> $13M in dead money for Brandon Marshall, Vernon
> Carey, Yeremiah Bell, and Vontae Davis.
>
> $13M for Jake Long. $12M for Karlos Dansby.
> Approximately $30M for Burnett, Incognito, Bush,
> Starks, Fasano, and McDaniel. $9M Moore, Garrard,
> and Tannehill.
>
> There's $77M right there, for 15 guys, 4 of whom
> don't play for us any more.
>
> I think McDaniel's spot is in danger because of
> his salary. And I don't think there is any way we
> keep both Garrard and Moore. And if we had any
> other options at TE, Fasano would be in jeopardy.
>
> If people think what's gone on with Marshall,
> Johnson, and Davis is bad, wait until next year.
> Next year there will be a serious housecleaning of
> high salaried players, including Dansby, Bush,
> Fasano, and maybe even Long. Get used to cutting
> salary and accumulating draft picks. This team has
> it's sights set on 2014 and beyond.


Thanks mark. And i agree. This team has definenetely set its sights on 2014 and beyond.

Unless we get a great deal I'd just as soon bite the bullet and keep our picks for the draft.

The roster is going to turn over quite a lot in the next year or two and we need all the draft ammo we can accumulate to build with.

Yea I know we’ve got to HIT THE MARK with the picks and get some positive mojo generating on our side… A few good breaks and a few bits of luck would help a lot!

Early draft needs incude:

WR
OL
CB
LB

And maybe…

S
TE

Does anyone know what the early expectations are for the 2013 draft? Is it a “good” crop or not?

Look. Our Team was a mess last year. we started 0-7 for godsakes.

Philbin is taking the right approach and ammassing draft picks for next april. I say philbin , because Saprano had nothing to do with that side of the team and Irelend screwed it up by himself.

We already have an extra 3rd rounder 2 rounder and 6th rounder. The 2nd and 6th being high 1s and 5ths because the Colts suck.

Let Tanny learn this season , maybe we get 1 more pick or Two For Jake Long and we are headed in the right direction. At least I believe we have a great player to build around in ryan tannehill.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> How can we have so little cap space with the team
> we have?
>
>


And that right there is Exhibit A through Z that Ireland is a GARBAGE GM. How can anyone even dispute this? Mark?

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

One thought I had is that if the season is as ugly as most seem to think (myself included), we could end up with a very high 1st round pick. If some team is after Matt Barkley, they might make trading down attractive to us. It would be nice to have two firsts and three seconds (not to mention multiple picks in the 3rd and 6th rounds).

I agree with BNF. A lot of receivers are being outright cut. We have a sucky crew of receivers WHO HAVE NEVER DEMONSTRATED ANY WORTH. Why not go to the junkyard and sign some receivers WHO AT LEAST WERE ONCE SOMETHING AT ONE TIME even if they are past their prime now?

Save our draft picks. Don't trade for some receivers who may be no better than the "has been" receivers that have been cut or, worst still, may be no better than the receivers on our own roster.

I'd trade a 4th for James Jones, pick up WRs who are among the last cuts and are even better than Brian Hartline, and roll with the crew we got.

Gentlemen, it is going to be a brutal season. Like, 2-14 horrible. But at least we know to expect it. Learn to embrace it. Pull for RT to develop. If that happens, we end up with a bounty of high draft picks and maybe even the ability to pull off a Rams type trade down for Barkley. If we can dump Irealand and get a real GM to make the picks, then I see us on the way up.

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Joe Thomas contract: 7 yr 84 mil

Jake Long 5 yr 57.5 mil (pted out after year 4) makes 11.2 base this year.

Dansby 2012 salary 8.8 mil (12.8 cap) on a 5 yr 43 mil contract.

Patrick Willis 7 yr 53 mil

Demeco Ryans 6 yr 48 mil

Urlacher 5 yr 40 mil (signed in 08).

Someone was right when they said no one would pay Dansby's contract in a trade. He would have to renegotiate or get released.

I'm note sure Jones is any better than Hartline and def not better than Bess. Never even had a 700 yard season but still could be of use.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Does that include the 2.7 million cap hit for Vontae?

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

in every trade the other team is willing to let the player go. if that was disqualifying then there'd never be a trade

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No poster MORE than me has been talking about the need for WRs who don't drop the ball but let's not get ridiculous.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
>
> > Another thing....
> >
> > How can we have so little cap space with the
> team
> > we have?
> >
> >
>
> $13M in dead money for Brandon Marshall, Vernon
> Carey, Yeremiah Bell, and Vontae Davis.

Which is free after this season.

> $13M for Jake Long. $12M for Karlos Dansby.
> Approximately $30M for Burnett, Incognito, Bush,
> Starks, Fasano, and McDaniel. $9M Moore, Garrard,
> and Tannehill.

Dansby will be cut or renegotiated. Long, Bush, Starks, Fasano, and McDaniel are all free agents after this season I believe (is that correct Mark?). Although I imagine we franchise Long so he doesn't walk for nothing. I'm assuming we drafted lamar miller in part to make Bush expendable. Starks would be nice to keep if the deal is reasonable. McDaniel and Fasano are probably gone unless their deals are really cheap.

> There's $77M right there, for 15 guys, 4 of whom
> don't play for us any more.

That's also about $50M plus that will be free next off season since most of those guys have expiring contracts, Dansby cut/renegotiated, and that dead money will be freed up.

> I think McDaniel's spot is in danger because of
> his salary. And I don't think there is any way we
> keep both Garrard and Moore. And if we had any
> other options at TE, Fasano would be in jeopardy.

Not sure I agree about McDaniel. We let him go and all our good Dline depth from last year is gone (Langford, Merling, McDaniel) and we will be relying on two rookies for significant backup roles (Vernon and Randall). I agree that we won't keep Garrard and Moore. Agree on Fasano as well. In fact, Chris Cooley just got cut so maybe we bring him in on the cheap and see how he stacks up.

> If people think what's gone on with Marshall,
> Johnson, and Davis is bad, wait until next year.
> Next year there will be a serious housecleaning of
> high salaried players, including Dansby, Bush,
> Fasano, and maybe even Long. Get used to cutting
> salary and accumulating draft picks. This team has
> it's sights set on 2014 and beyond.

The house cleaning will mostly be not resigning players as we have a lot of significant FAs next year and we get back the dead money from this year. The only cuts I could see coming would be Burnett and/or Dansby depending on performance this year and renegotiations.



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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Well, of course, berk. But, turning it back on
> you, that logic can also be drawn out ad
> absurdum.
>
> Turning it the other way, why should, then, we not
> be willing to trade our number 1 player for
> another team's number 53 player (mandatory 53 man
> roster only)?
>
> By that logic, "Hell, every team only gives up
> what they are willing to "let go."
>
> My point is you don't give up the number 1 player
> on your team unless you get in return, at least,
> the number 1 player on their team. For example,
> Ben Rothelisberger is the number 1 player on the
> Steelers.
>
> But let's get real. Obviously the Dolphins don't
> need a quarterback. The problem is that they
> don't need a Wide Receiver WHO IS NOT JERRY RICE
> SO BAD AS TO GIVE UP THEIR BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER.

Huh? Our team sucks. Pitt is good. No good team is gonna trade their best player for ours. ESP when our best isn't as good as their 4th best

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LOL. That was just an example out to the extreme as we lawyers do, berk. You know that. The point is of course in a trade NEITHER TEAM gives up their best player except for another best player.

Bush is our best player. Why would be ever trade him? That's what I am getting at.

As far as Bush not being as good as Pitt's 4th best......I doubt that is true.

Edited to add: What you try to do, as a sports organization, is try to hold on to your best and supplement it.

You didn't see the Lakers trading Kobe for the third best player on another team just because that person might have been at a position of need.

You hold on to your best and horse-trade the rest of the positions to try to upgrade.

Bush for anyone except a runner even recognized universally to be BETTER THAN HIM AT RUNNING BACK would be wrong. But even then it would be wrong for us to trade Bush for an even better running back WHEN OUR NEEDS ARE AT WIDE RECEIVER, OFFENSIVE LINE, AND DEFENSIVE SECONDARY, NOT AT RUNNING BACK.



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Bush really isn't all that great. I can think of 4 players on Pitt better than him. Big Ben. Troy p. Wallace. That lb who always gets suspended, Harrison . Probably their #2 receiver too. 1000 yd backs are a dime a dozen. Sproles is better than bush.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Still he is our best player and trading him would create a problem at running back even were we to, which is iffy, solve a problem at WR.

God I hope so!

Never seen so many dropped passes in pre-season game 3.

Bring out the broom!

Gotcha SamSam.