Parcells revisited. Yes, Parcells made some bad personnel moves. But no one is perfect and Parcells was guilty of bad moves. Ireland is guilty of sheer incompetence. He buys high and sells low. He not only makes bad moves like Parcells but hangs on to them too long and does everything imagineable wrong. Just wait for him to make a move and wait a little longer and you will see it was the WRONG move and screws the franchise.

If you're referring to the Vontae trade, you may be all alone in your opinion.

Seems like you're picking and choosing what you want to blame on Ireland.

VD was drafted in 09. Parcels 2nd year and he was still very much in control so how are you blaming VD on Ireland? Even if that was the case...

you say he's incompetent because he traded VD for 2nd round pick? He did it at the right time if you ask me. What was the other option? Wait until he was a permanent backup or got beat out by Nolan Carroll? Then what is he worth? Not much. The kid simply just does not get it. Going into his 4th year and still the same problems. You're the one that made the comment for "hanging on to long" but isn't that what we would be doing if we kept Davis?

Don't forget the same year we got a 2nd round pick and a 6th for Jason Taylor and then got him back for free a year later. Are you going to give Ireland or Parcels credit for that one?

VD was taken with the 25th pick and we got back....most likely the 35th pick...so we lost 10 spots in the first round but we also get a conditional 6th which could also be a top of the round pick.

All that for an immature, underachieving CB that will probably end up with a DUI in Indy...or worse.

Like you said we will have to wait a little longer to tell one way or the other so calling it incompetence at this point is a little premature. We've still got the entire season ahead of us and maybe a few more roster moves.

IMO you can never get rid of VD too soon.

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Parcells was incompetent as a manager

When your head coach tells you he doesn't want a particular guy on his team, you get the best you can for him.

When this team drafted Ryan Tannehill, it all became about 2013 and beyond. You can't be shortsighted.

and think about what we can do with 3-twos and 2 threes....sounds like a Patriot draft....

We can move up for two 1st rounders next year if we don't trade them away this year. WR...TE..pass rusher

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Ireland has been drafting well since Parcells left (2010). He is striking out in the fourth round though. He reached for Edds in 2011, Gates last year and Egnew. I have confidence in him. The GM should control the draft not the coach.

I think all this talk about vontae will be put to rest if he goes gangbanging with his brother to a night club in indi and gets in trouble.

I never said anything about Vontae, just about our terrible WR situation and all the dumb moves Ireland has made over the years.

Not that I am a big fan of him, but Armando tweeted today that parcells told him, Ireland was in charge of the 2009 draft. And everybody was on board with Pat White. So everyone that says Ireland wasnt invovled, it doesnt sound as those portray at least from what Armando is reporting Parcells personally told him..

Armando Salguero?@ArmandoSalguero

Yes. RT @Zemmenator: didn’t you say Parcells told you Ireland ran the 2009 draft?

Armando Salguero?@ArmandoSalguero

Parcells told me he "agreed" w/ P. White pick so he takes blame. Told me everyone agreed. Ireland has taken blame

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as he was slinking out the door yet again....oops

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Not that I am a big fan of him, but Armando
> tweeted today that parcells told him, Ireland was
> in charge of the 2009 draft. And everybody was on
> board with Pat White. So everyone that says
> Ireland wasnt invovled, it doesnt sound as those
> portray at least from what Armando is reporting
> Parcells personally told him..
>
> Armando Salguero?@ArmandoSalguero
>
> Yes. RT @Zemmenator: didn’t you say Parcells
> told you Ireland ran the 2009 draft?
>
> Armando Salguero?@ArmandoSalguero
>
> Parcells told me he "agreed" w/ P. White pick so
> he takes blame. Told me everyone agreed. Ireland
> has taken blame

And there have been other reports that White was Parcells pick ( he was enamored with him while still at ESPN), and that Ireland was the lone dissenting voice. And by most accounts, the 2010 draft was the first one where Ireland had final say. A lot was made of that at the time. Parcells would say just about anything to make himself look better, so he's not exactly a reliable source. Reality is, we'll never know.

montequi Wrote:
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> If you're referring to the Vontae trade, you may
> be all alone in your opinion.

Perhaps you missed the entire Vontae thread, where nearly every opinion was that this was a bad decision.

No, Chyren is hardly alone.

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> I think all this talk about vontae will be put to
> rest if he goes gangbanging with his brother to a
> night club in indi and gets in trouble.

And if he doesn't, the talk will go on.

His brother seems to be handling his stardom well, and is a key reason why SF has been doing what its been doing.

As far as "gangbanging"? That is laughable. You obviously are looking for reasons to justify Ireland's incompetence. Keep on digging.....

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DolfanKing, I never criticized the Vontae Davis move.

DolfanKing Wrote:

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> So their little brother is a scumbag. So what?
> Are you seriously saying he was traded because his
> brother?
>
> Like I said - laughable.

I didn't say anything. You assumed someone was talking about his older brother Vernon. Maybe they meant his younger brother.

Do you think Ireland is working in a vacuum? Do you think that he made the Davis trade on his own? We have seen that Joe Philbin cares about character and attitude. Some coaches don't. Philbin does. So, Ireland is moving the pieces that Philbin wants moved. If Philbin wanted Brandon Marshall, Chad Johnson, or Vontae Davis on the team, they would still be on the team. It is laughable to suggest otherwise. Philbin wants this team built in the Green Bay image. Some guys don't fit. Get used to it.

I have liked what we have done over the last 3 years. This last draft I think will prove great. I don't see Ireland as incompetent. With Philbin, Sherman and Coyle at his side, I think things will get even better.

Hey, I've heard some big names, including Santonio Holmes perhaps, and other receivers have been cut. If we had more than TWO receivers (Bess and Hogan) that could catch the ball, I'd be wary, but we are beggars and beggars can't be choosy.

Nothing wrong with the Vonte Davis trade!

As noted Philbin and the defense didn't see him performing and they got great value for a number one that is nearly at the end of his contract, and not worth resigning anyway.

Excellent move.

- I doubt that we should give Ireland credit or blame, likely goes to Philbin. Only credit is how much Irelenad held on to his cards and moved from an initial 6th round offer, to 5th, then 4th, then 2nd, then 2nd and 6th.

That part was some decent read on Irsay and sticking to value in the trade. I can only applaud that! Win-win, supported his coach, and got good value in the process.

Chyren > Parcells revisited. Yes, Parcells made some bad personnel moves. But no one is perfect and Parcells was guilty of bad moves. Ireland is guilty of sheer incompetence. He buys high and sells low. He not only makes bad moves like Parcells but hangs on to them too long and does everything imagineable wrong. Just wait for him to make a move and wait a little longer and you will see it was the WRONG move and screws the franchise.


This doesn't make sense to me if you are refering to Vonte davis move.
They are getting rid of bad goods late in the contract.
- Top me this means that they gave him a good try, but Philbin is done with people who can't come to play and are making 1st round draft money.

The comments on the Bush interview stated that the PR person "without knowing the subject of the question" ended the interview.

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I am just posting what was reported on the league website...NFL.com

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