This has a chance to be one of the greatest regular season games played in a LONG time, certainly one of the best season openers ever. What a way to start the season!

I'm also shocked that the horrible new kickoff rule didn't stop tonights teams from scoring touchdowns on returns. I was kind of hoping that kickoffs this year would be so incredibly boring and terrible and not a single one even attempted to be returned all year, so the NFL would be embarassed about it and forced to change it back next season.

Also, as much respect as I have for college football and fans of college football, it's hard to not to feel that the NFL is a superior product after watching an incredible game like this one.

I'm officially as pumped as ever for our season to start and for our Monday night spotlight. I hope the Phins CRUSH the pats!!!

Yea, the NFL got lucky with this one. A great game. No better way to wash the bad taste of the lockout away...

I'm buying GB all the way - again.

Aaron Rodgers, when his time ends, will go down as one of the greatest QB's in the history of the game.

The guy will be a legend.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

just think, we got ronnie brown instead of rogers
and jamar fletcher instead of drew brees



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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> just think, we got ronnie brown instead of rogers
> and jamar fletcher instead of drew brees

and John Avery instead of Randy Moss.

The list goes on, and not just for our team. I don't fault Saban for not taking Rogers #2 over Brown. LOTS of teams passed on Rogers. In fact, that entire draft was loaded with busts and underachievers: Alex Smith, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Pac-Man Jones,

As for Fletcher over Brees, I'll NEVER forgive Wanny for that!!!

i remember we got some lb named eddie moore instead of some receiver who turned out real good. In the wanstedt years i believe it was.

I was thinking the same thing about Rodgers. He is the best in the league right now.

He is more accurate than any qb I've ever seen.

Accuracy like Montana....arm strength of Jeff George and can run better than Elway.

Erik Walden looked pretty good at LOLB too.

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to me, fletcher over brees was the most unforgivable. we already had surtain and madison and we take who would at best have been a nickle CB for us instead of the most critical position on the field, which happened to have been a need for us. If Wanny was running the fins in 1983, he definately would have taken some other player instead of marino b/c we already had David Woodley

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> to me, fletcher over brees was the most
> unforgivable. we already had surtain and madison
> and we take who would at best have been a nickle
> CB for us instead of the most critical position on
> the field, which happened to have been a need for
> us. If Wanny was running the fins in 1983, he
> definately would have taken some other player
> instead of marino b/c we already had David Woodley

Yeah fletcher over brees was one of the alltime worst. And we should thank our lucky stars wannstedt wasnt running the phins in 83.

In fact we should thank our lucky stars wanny isnt a member of this team in any freakin kind of way...


Good bye JJ............Although gave us good defense couldnt draft a good offensive player to save his life....Avery instead of moss WTF.
Good bye wanny bust after bust draftees ..trade picks for bust QBs....
Godbye saban wanst bad coach but his satanic ego turned everyone off.
Good by cameron DUMB AS A FRUIT FLY.

The jury still out on sparano....

Although it was marinos last years i would had love to see dan and moss play on the same team....Just for one game. Just for a second.

And we trade the dam 20 spot all the way down to the 30 something god man.

I remember there was a buzz of randy moss been a head case or something i dont remember what it was....Thats probably what turned JJ off....

That sucker still look impressive running for TDs in his green and black uniform out of marshall was it?

in fairness, we didn't really pass on moss for avery. we did something even dumber, which was, the morning BEFORE the draft, trade down from like 19 or 20 to 29 or so. So Moss wasn't on the board when we picked, though he would have been had we not made the trade. I am sure that if Moss was on the board at 19 or 20 and we didn't make the pre-draft trade, JJ would have taken him. He took Cecil collins for god sakes, and signed Lawrence Phillips--both are 200x bigger scumbags than Moss.

don't get trading down in the draft before seeing how the board shakes out. I think Wanny did that one year too and we ended up taking Wade Smith or someone. just stupid.

Very good point berkeley...Very very good in fact.

Collins and phillips were even worse..So my idea of jj passing on moss because of him been a headcase is mute. I agree.

He probably thought moss was going to be drafted way before 20...

But if i remember correctly our pick was almost there i think they were on the 12 th pick or so when we decided to trade down.

I even remember going to myself moss isnt going to last till 20....then we trade down and the vicking get him at 20. I was going what the hell have you done JJ.

I dont remember us trading the pick the morning before maybe i missed that......

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > I dont remember us trading the pick the morning
> > before maybe i missed that......
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>
> I could be wrong, but the way I remember it was
> that we made the trade the night before (friday)
> and it was announced Saturday am beforew the draft
> started.
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> Of course, back them we didn't have the 24 hour
> internet/cable coverage we get today so
> information was a little slower getting to us
> fans.


Yup i missed it.

I had dial up back then..haha we were used to slow speeds back then today if we buy a comp just to get all the updates will take you 1 week on dial up.

I had my first computer back then...48 megas ram had 2 slots 16 megas and 32 megas slots ....266 megahert processor....15 inch monitor....Cost me 2500 bucks at best buy. Today it aint worth 20 bucks both the monitor and comp.

gigas didnt exist well they did exist they just get them out slowly so the can make more money...

I think there is two more terabyte comes next i believe. 1000 gigas i think it is.

PF2 i remember my first comp upgrade. I upgraded to 256 megas of memory.

I remember the 256 stick cost me 199 bucks. LOL.

today its worth 99 cents...I dont think they even make that kind of memory anymore.


OK back to football.

I distinctly recall it was a pre-draft trade, b/c I woke up the morning of the draft and ESPN showed us picking 29 instead of 19 and I was like, WTF?

POint is we havent gotten a break drafting players in a long time

ever since zach JT madison and surtain who have we gotten.

Jake long because he was the first pick overall how can we miss on that.

Still waiting on vontae davis sean smith to develop.....the center from florida the rookie receiver people say has speed like ted ginn.

Henne is the best QB we have drafted since marino and the jury still out on him bigtime..

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This team is just a great OL and QB from been serious playoff contenders.....I know thats probably too much to ask but then again other teams have great OLines and QBs...Why not us?

PS. This is what i believe. If the OL struggles this year then henne will struggle. If the OL plays well henne is very capable of having a great year..

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I distinctly recall it was a pre-draft trade, b/c
> I woke up the morning of the draft and ESPN showed
> us picking 29 instead of 19 and I was like, WTF?

So JJ was just trying to adquire more picks thats it.....I remember we got avery and we got another player who was like 360 pounds for offense...

Both their pics were on the cover of dolphins digest....including a pic of john avery along sides of a transam or camaro and it said something about speed...

2 busts waiting to happen....avery at least made the team but that other player didnt even make it i believe. I think he was a OL player.

surtain was great, mixon was OK, bromell was OK, otherwise, a bad draft
will never forget larry "better than moss" shannon

1 29 John Avery RB 01/11/1976 Mississippi
2 44 Patrick Surtain DB 06/19/1976 Southern Mississippi
2 49 Kenny Mixon DE 05/31/1975 Louisiana State
3 79 Brad Jackson LB 01/11/1975 Cincinnati
3 82 Larry Shannon WR 02/02/1975 East Carolina
4 102 Lorenzo Bromell DE 09/23/1975 Clemson
5 143 Scott Shaw OG 06/02/1974 Michigan State
6 171 Nathan Strikwerda C 08/20/1975 Northwestern
6 172 John Dutton QB 09/20/1975 Nevada
7 210 Jim Bundren OG 10/06/1974 Clemson

I thought that defenses were suppoed to have the upper hand at this time of year.

GB looked very good. It will be great to see my prediction of MIA beating GB in the SB this year come true!

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> surtain was great, mixon was OK, bromell was OK,
> otherwise, a bad draft
> will never forget larry "better than moss"
> shannon
>


Yeah i remember people saying larry shannon could be as good as moss...Maybe they thought since shannon was 6'4 too he was a moss clone.

I think shannon was as tall as moss.

JJ said shannon was just as good, I think in response to questions about why he traded down since it cost him moss. I don't think anyone else thought shannon was any good at all.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> JJ said shannon was just as good, I think in
> response to questions about why he traded down
> since it cost him moss. I don't think anyone else
> thought shannon was any good at all.


They couldn't be more apart.

The Brees thing was lucicrous. I remember that my parents didn't have cable and actually had it hooked up for the weekend while my family & I were visiting so I could watch the draft. I nearly threw something through their screen when we picked Jamar. It wasn't that Brees was not on the Phins radar or that hindsight is 20/20. EVERYONE was talking about how he would be a great fit with the Phins. If ANYONE else had been drafting for us, Brees would have been a Phin that year. As was pointed out before, we already had Surtain & Madison and Wanny said something like "with Manning in the division, you need three quality corners"

Same basic thing goes for the LB from Tennessee over Boldin. Frustrating just thinking about it.

Again, it's not just 'oh well, you miss some here and there'. It's that Wanny did these things and in doing so went against sound conventional logic.

My only "consolation" is that Brees probably would have been jerked around and let go to blossom elsewhere (perhaps NO even).

I remember that it was a day of the draft trade, Berk. Because I remember salivating over Moss but I believe when it got to about 12, the trade was announced.

I said WTF?

And then I said, "Let's see if we would have gotten Moss."

And sure enough he went AFTER the spot we had traded out of.


I know some of you geeks can look it up but my memory is that we had about pick 19 and he went 22 or 23.

moss went 21. we traded BEFORE the draft started from 19 to 29. Vonnie Holliday went 19 to GB, who we traded with. So had we not made the pre-draft trade, we could have had moss. I am certain had we not done that trade before the draft, we'd have stayed put and taken moss. that's why the pre-draft deal was so infuriating, stupid to make trades when you don't know who will be there.

That was the way I remembered it though I would have allowed for the trade to have occurred before the draft started.

Yeah, Moss was sinking and for us to not make the trade prior to seeing how far he sunk would have been smart.