More time's then non playoff games come down to last minute drives.

Time, and TIME AND TIME again, how many run first or heavy QB's win these game's?

When the game counted, and needed his throwing abilities to win, his lack of throwing ability get's revealed, and they lose.

So again NO, NO, NO to Cam Newton, or Vince Young.

a reasonable point

Rock on my brethern, rock on.......

Phinsfan,

The bottom line is, if Mallett, Gabbert, or Newton are at 15.....we pick them. Hands down, no questions asked....pick them.


Locker on the other hand, dont touch him before the 2nd.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Stupid move to go after any of these guy's in the mid first. If we traded down, then one was there in the 20's Yes take him, but Id rather beef up our o-line, then do what we do next year, and make a hard push for Luck, trade away the house, and acquire him, because if we finish our O-line, and acquire Jackson. Jesus man we would have the stacked team for 2 years or so.

He wasn't 100% and his Merlin with jersey #10 missed quite a bit of the game. Plus the PK reminded me of someone we know quite well. Don't think we can measure these QB's a la Newton by a analysis on Vick exclusively. Cam is way bigger physically than #7. And if we can fetch a QB like that in the first round. Absolutely.

Problem with NEwton, is guy's his size running, will repeat WILL get knee issues, because all that weight will get hit alot on the run, and the knee's will not hold up to another 250 plus LB taking him down.

After he has surgery at least once, then his running day's are over, and when that happens within the first 4 years of playin, he is screwed.

Sure he will be a average passer, but no to much injury risk with a BIG BIG guy running the ball alot.

I'm good, however good luck to the chump's that pick him up!!

Vick get's hurt alot, and he is what 210? Newton what 260? Lol good luck knee's!!!! GOOD LUCK!

Well again our O-line took a HUGE hit last year. We need a elite O-line.

I don't care what qb might MIGHT fall to us at 15th. I WANT a ELITE 0=LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WANT AT LEAST 4.4 YARDS PER ATTEMPT, AND VERY LITTLE SACKS!!!

I don't give a ..t about a projected stud QB, I am happy with Thigpen, and I want to protect him, and give him the time needed to do his thing.

I only want a QB when I am guaranteed top 2 of a draft, regardless of trade down, or trade up scenarios. I do not want Newton the next Russell. Or Mallett, the next Lienart, or Gabbert, the next Clausen.

That's how i feel about them regardless if Im in left field or not. You obviously want one bad, but Im good.

I want all the pieces of the puzzle first since we are so close to a complete team, I want the protection first and upmost priority to me.

Pssst. Mia1 thinks that we can survive by promoting Thigpen to number 1 quarterback.

Mia1 Wrote:
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>
> I only want a QB when I am guaranteed top 2 of a
> draft, regardless of trade down, or trade up
> scenarios. I do not want Newton the next Russell.
> Or Mallett, the next Lienart, or Gabbert, the next
> Clausen.
>

I don't want Thigpen, the next Thigpen.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Phinsfan,
>
> The bottom line is, if Mallett, Gabbert, or Newton
> are at 15.....we pick them. Hands down, no
> questions asked....pick them.
>
>
> Locker on the other hand, dont touch him before
> the 2nd.


A&O, Do you think we would trade up to get any of them?

Mark my words Newton will be the biggest bust in the draft if he comes out. Yes you can athletically beat college teams with the spread ala Pat White, but the pros are a whole other ball game. Newton will fail and be out of the league like fat ass Jamarcus Russell just my opinion of course. I have studied Newton, and he reminds me of a much slimmer Jamarcus Russell. Where is Russell now? The Team that takes Newton will regret it for many years to come.

Well, if Desean Jackson hadn't have fell down, you'd be saying Vick was a great passer!

Who says Newton is run first. When I see this guy play he runs the play that is called. When a pass play is called he drops back and executes it. Watch him tonight. The guy can throw most of the passes in the book.

Russel showed no problems in college he just did not put forth the effort in the pros.

Finshady Wrote:
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> Mark my words Newton will be the biggest bust in
> the draft if he comes out. Yes you can
> athletically beat college teams with the spread
> ala Pat White, but the pros are a whole other ball
> game. Newton will fail and be out of the league
> like fat ass Jamarcus Russell just my opinion of
> course. I have studied Newton, and he reminds me
> of a much slimmer Jamarcus Russell. Where is
> Russell now? The Team that takes Newton will
> regret it for many years to come.

The reason Jamarcus Russell, failed was becasue of attitude and a drug problem... It had nothing to do with ability... So saying Newton is gonna fail becasue Jamarcus Russell did is not really a valid argument, unless you say Newton will let the money go to his head and starting sipping Purple syrup, everyday....

syzurp!

Don't care what you think about him personally, Vick is a game changer you have to plan for. That alone makes him a star in the NFL.

Vick made the right call on that last play and the pass was not that bad.He did not have that much room on the outside. A veteran receiver probably would have found the ball and made an adjustment to it and caught it. Cooper is a rookie. I have no problem w/ Vicks performance on yesterday and I am not a Vick fan.

Mia1 Wrote:
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> Well again our O-line took a HUGE hit last year.
> We need a elite O-line.
>
> I don't care what qb might MIGHT fall to us at
> 15th. I WANT a ELITE 0=LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I WANT AT LEAST 4.4 YARDS PER ATTEMPT, AND VERY
> LITTLE SACKS!!!

Sure and elite line will make an average QB look good, just like an elite QB will make an average line look good. An elite line will require 3-4 elite players who also function well as a unit. An elite QB requires one elite player who can play QB. Which is more likely to happen in 1 first round pick.

Plus IMO, an OL can be built with free agency MUCH easier than in the draft. Look at what Atlanta has done. This is the path we should have followed instead of the one we've been on for a decade now.

Philly was clearly outcoached yesterday IMO. A bit of a surprise, at least to me.

McCarthy + Rodgers are formidable.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Philly was clearly outcoached yesterday IMO. A bit
> of a surprise, at least to me.
>
> McCarthy + Rodgers are formidable.

Ahhh...to have a coach that can out-coach the opposition!! Damn I miss that. Except for inception of the Wildcat, I don't really think I've seen a Dolphin coach out coach the other team since Shula.

Quote:

"A&O, Do you think we would trade up to get any of them?"


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If the brass feel one of them are future stars, then yes. Trade up.



Me....I would only trade up around the 5 spot for Gabbert. If Mallett falls past 10...I would trade up for him.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Perhaps the better comparrison is:

Josh Freeman and Cam Newton.

hah, we beat the packers