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Cosell is really the only guy I pay much attention to, most of these other guys give enough conflicting info on certain players, so that in a couple of years they can say "I predicted that one right". Gil Brandt was 100% behind Tannehill, so i'll give him credit for not playing both sides of the fence also (even though I don't value his player evaluations that high anymore, as i've stated many times before). Mayock is probably my 2nd favorite, but as eesti pointed out, he's not all that great at predicting future greatness either.
I think all of these 1st/2nd round QB prospects are pretty close in physical abilities when they get drafted, it really comes down to the their work ethic, coaching/system, and tools around them when they get to the NFL that determines who gets better and progresses. If Andrew Luck doesn't progress from his Sr. yr at Stanford, he'll be an average NFL QB at best, it's what all of these guys do from this point forward that makes them elite or not.....IMO
eesti Wrote:
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> I forgot about Brandt.
> “I think he’s going to surprise people,”
> Brandt said. “He didn’t have a particularly
> good year. He’s really been a quarterback only
> about a year and a half. … I think we have three
> quarterbacks, in my estimation, that are going to
> be pretty good in the years to come in the
> National Football League.”
>
> When Peter King, who called Brandt, “the
> smartest guy that I know about the draft every
> year,” asked if Tannehill could rise into the
> top half of the first round, Brandt didn’t
> hesitate.
>
> “Well, if I were picking, I got him there,” he
> responded. “I’ve got him in my top 10, so
> I’m probably mistaken but I do think that when
> you watch him and you see his intelligence and his
> athletic ability and his hard work, I think you
> get a pretty good feeling for him.
>
> “I think he deserves to be there and only time
> will tell. And I think if you remember last year,
> I did think that young man at Carolina was going
> to be pretty good.”
>
>
> More on Cassserly who is contradicting himself...
>
> With this in mind, Casserly pointed to a trio of
> starting quarterbacks -- Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco
> and Mark Sanchez -- all taken recently in the
> first round. Casserly has Tannehill rated
> favorably compared to each of them coming out of
> college.
>
> So...Casserly has RTT rated favorably to Sanchez,
> Flacco and Freeman but says RTT will be the next
> Jamarcus Russell??? Huh? WTH?I think he's getting
> senile. BTW...comparing RTT to JR is an outright
> insult.
Wasn't it Brian Billick who compared him to Russell?
"Don Shula sat Dan Marino for half a season before giving him his first start," Griese said. "If coach Shula thought a player with the ability of a Dan Marino needs to sit, I would think that's a good recipe for future success with (coach) Joe Philbin and Ryan Tannehill."
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The quote that means the most to me is:
>
> Bob Griese on RTT:
>
> "Don Shula sat Dan Marino for half a season before
> giving him his first start," Griese said. "If
> coach Shula thought a player with the ability of a
> Dan Marino needs to sit, I would think that's a
> good recipe for future success with (coach) Joe
> Philbin and Ryan Tannehill."
Shula was coming off a Superbowl appearance. Even though we lost, he wasn't stupid enough to dump the QB that got him to that Superbowl for a rookie on day 1. Shula showed Woodley some respect...unlike Brian Billick did to Trent Dilfer!
LOL to SamSam and to Montequi, and Shula would have had more reason to because we now know that Marino was a phenom and, as you point out, Woodley had led us to a SB but had failed to complete a single pass in the second half of that game. But Shula played it safe and waited until he was sure that Woodley's same pattern of ineffectiveness of the 1982 season was repeating itself in the 1983 season, and it was not until after three games that he had seen enough. Also, Marino was inserted in the last half of that third game and turned a 27-0 deficit to something like 27-14. Very few could, at that point, question Shula's decision.
Actually, Woodley started a couple more games after that Raiders game. It wasn't until he was god-awful against the Saints in the fifth game (a loss), and Marino came in and threw another TD pass toward the end, that Shula started Marino against Buffalo in the sixth game.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with guys like Manning, Marino, and Elway as much as it has to do with guys named Bradford, Stafford, Dalton, Ryan, Flacco, Newton, RG3, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Gabbert, and Cutler.
You are speaking of Marino and Elway in a time when sitting a QB for 3 years was the norm. In today's game, that is NOT the norm.
Chyren. with all due respect....Who are these "people" and how are they "demanding" that he start?
Now RT has started fewer college games than "any QB in history"? Come on now.
I really find it interesting that some people are freaking out that we may have reached for a QB just out of need.
It seems to me that RT may have been the primary focus all along. Ireland is on love with him. We have the kids former QB coach and HC. The fact that we drafted him that high knowing more about him than any other team in the NFL should be a huge ringing endorsement.
Sure we flirted with Flynn (who they also knew about and passed) and tried to get a meeting with Manning but we were not in love with Flynn and Manning would have allowed us to win now instead of leaving us with a big question on offense. If you have the chance to sign a HOF QB and you don't try...that is just negligent. Especially when we change QB's like socks.
I understand the skepticism. I really do. We have been fooled and let down time and time again. We have been duped by Ireland specifally so I get it. Chad Henne, Pat White...bad FA acquisitions etc.
At first (before the draft) I sort of felt the same way...like RT was a consolation prize. Then the more I learned about the guy, the more I wasn't disappointed. He was the only choice at 8 if you ask me. Who was picked after him that was of any better value? The fact is all the so called elite guys were gone anyway.
Every year there are a few guys that climb the so called experts draft boards. It happens so it doesn't really matter if he was considered a 2nd rounder in the past. Does it?
Look at Joe Flacco. He was considered a project as well. Most "experts" said he would need a year or two to sit because he played at a small school (Delaware) for only two years (26 starts). (RT has 20 starts at QB/24 at WR and Sanchez had like 16 or 17.)
Then Flacco showed up at the senior bowl and everyone got a look at his arm and he ended up getting drafted at #18. He started out of the gate and took his team to 4 straight playoff games making NFL history.
A lot of people on this board were saying we should take him in round 2.
I for one am not demanding that RT start and don't see anyone that is. I think the point is that I am very hopefull and the more I learn about him and the positives...the more I think he has a fair shot at beating out Moore and Gerrard.
I'm sure that the coaches will start him when he is ready. Not before.
Yeah, I was thinking started fewer games than any other draftee "in the top 10 of the first round" in history but the quotes never made it in there.
As for the rest of your post, I have no argument with the analysis of RT.
I do get the feeling, however, that when you look at the thread "Why not start Tannehill now" that there are some people who are advocating he start now without the qualification of what the coaching staff thinks.
To prove my point, on the other hand, I don't think there is anybody on the board that thinks he should NOT start even if the coaching staff thinks that he is ready.
I myself posted words to the effect that "Hey, it's their as_es on the line so if they think so, I'm not going to stand in their way."
That having been said, like I said above, I'd bet my money on them not starting him in the first game of the season for the reasons I have pointed out.