Thanks...

Well written article by PK, thanks for posting

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2012 09:47AM by Crowder52.

Not a great stat but I don't know if I would say he's not a top 10 pick based off of that alone. Just my opinion.

Matt Ryan had 4 entire games under 50% his senior year not just 3 halves.

One game he completed only 44%.

Joe Flacco had two games under 50% (45 & 47) his senior year against Villanova and Appalachian state. Not exactly Oklahoma and Texas type talent.

Questions I would have about RT's bad games...

How many drops?
Were his receivers getting open.
Were they in long yardage situations due to drops on early downs or stuffed runs...sacks?
Were they on the field a lot bc of bad defense?
Did he have good protection?

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Dan Marino was a 50% passer in college, he only hit 60% in the pros a couple seasons.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Not a great stat but I don't know if I would say
> he's not a top 10 pick based off of that alone.
> Just my opinion.
>

For a top 10 pick, I'm looking for QBs that take their teams to victory in the second half not ones that give it up.


> Matt Ryan had 4 entire games under 50% his senior
> year not just 3 halves.
>
> One game he completed only 44%.
>

Matt Ryan? Is he really an elite QB? Ryan had a good rookie season with a stacked team, but that is about it. Last year, Ryan cost his team several games.

If anything, this just confirms the fact that college performance is indeed an indicator of NFL performance.




> Joe Flacco had two games under 50% (45 & 47) his
> senior year against Villanova and Appalachian
> state. Not exactly Oklahoma and Texas type
> talent.
>

This is hardly a valid comparison.

Delaware is FCS and Flacco didn't have a chance to play Oaklahoma and Texas type talent. Then again Appalachian State were FCS champions in Flacco's senior year. But Delaware wasn't close to leading Appalachian State at the half, and Flacco wasn't picked in the top ten.



> Questions I would have about RT's bad games...
>
> How many drops?

This is the argument for discarding Tannehill's stats that I find most interesting. First, drops are subjective. How many Henne haters attributed dropped passes to bad placement and poor touch? And yet somehow the drops never caused Henne's % to dip below 60. I'm not defending Henne here, just using this point to illustrate that people will use the "drop" argument rather un-objectively. Besides, if you really believe that his receivers were dropping nearly 50% of the passes, then I have some swamp land for you.


The fact is, Tennehill went into the second half with a lead and ended up losing those games with very poor performances in the second half. This tells me that in the first half his team could hang, but he just didn't have what it takes to close the deal against good competition.

Some want to ignore this and blame his teammates. I'm looking at those games and seeing a young QB that hasn't quite figured out how to play the "big game" yet.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2012 06:28PM by DolfanKing.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Dan Marino was a 50% passer in college, he only
> hit 60% in the pros a couple seasons.

First of all, at Pitt Marino was throwing 30 yard darts downfield on a regular basis. They weren't just big league throws, they were better than nearly all NFL QBs. If you really think Tannehill looked like anything close to Marino in college then you are delusional.

Second, the important part of that stat isn't the completion %. Its the completion % in games he was winning at the half and ended up losing. The ability to win games where you are close or have a lead late is very important - particularly in a QB touted for his "intangibles". If you want to discount clutch performance, or blame his teammates for a poor stat sheet, or say Tannehill's passing is Marino's league then you really aren't looking at this clearly.

When did I ever say Tannehill looked any part of Marino? Don't you ever put words in my mouth again. You understand me?

All I did was state factual information when it came to completion %.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> When did I ever say Tannehill looked any part of
> Marino? Don't you ever put words in my mouth
> again. You understand me?



hahahaha, that sounded homicidal when I read it

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Dan Marino was a 50% passer in college, he only
> hit 60% in the pros a couple seasons.


It was a much different game back then. Elway had similar completion percentage stats as Marino in college. Same with Jim Kelly. They all had lots of season's where they had less then 60 percent completion percentage... In todays, NFL draft, Tannehill had the worst completion percentage of any QB drafted and most undrafted QB's had higher completion percentage then him as well...

SO apples to apples , Tannehill was the worst in his class at that stat... Hopefully he improves himself in that aspect of the game..

In todays NFL, below 60 percent completion percentage doesnt win you many play off games, let alone SUperbowls... I dont remember a QB with lower then 60 percent completion percentage winning any superbowl in todays NFL.. last ten or so years...

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2012 06:51AM by Crowder52.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> When did I ever say Tannehill looked any part of
> Marino? Don't you ever put words in my mouth
> again. You understand me?
>
> All I did was state factual information when it
> came to completion %.

You are the one that keeps comparing RT to Marino. Now it seems like you are backing down.

Maybe you should live with your words rather than trying to change what others say...

Lol -

Never did DolfanQueen, you are a liar, I proved it. So just shut uP now.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Never did DolfanQueen, you are a liar, I proved
> it. So just shut uP now.

You are a child.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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>
> It was a much different game back then. Elway had
> similar completion percentage stats as Marino in
> college. Same with Jim Kelly. They all had lots of
> season's where they had less then 60 percent
> completion percentage... In todays, NFL draft,
> Tannehill had the worst completion percentage of
> any QB drafted and most undrafted QB's had higher
> completion percentage then him as well...
>
> SO apples to apples , Tannehill was the worst in
> his class at that stat... Hopefully he improves
> himself in that aspect of the game..
>
> In todays NFL, below 60 percent completion
> percentage doesnt win you many play off games, let
> alone SUperbowls... I dont remember a QB with
> lower then 60 percent completion percentage
> winning any superbowl in todays NFL.. last ten or
> so years...

Don't worry, all those missed passes were "drops".

Panteraize Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> -----
> > When did I ever say Tannehill looked any part
> of
> > Marino? Don't you ever put words in my mouth
> > again. You understand me?
>
>
>
> hahahaha, that sounded homicidal when I read it

Yes. Its definitely kill the guy who says "Tannehill will amount to something less than Dan Marino" around here.

What other board do you post on?

The reason why I ask, is because at some point, you have talk something positive about the Dolphins.

You only post on this board about Tannehill, and your hate for him.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> What other board do you post on?
>
> The reason why I ask, is because at some point,
> you have talk something positive about the
> Dolphins.
>
> You only post on this board about Tannehill, and
> your hate for him.


Man you are a crybaby.

I don't hate Tannehill, I just don't see him the same way you do. And all you can do is cry about it and call me names.

BTW, Tannehill isn't the only thing I post about. He is your obsession, not mine.

Mature into WHAT? Aged Horsesquat?

LUDUPORCU Wrote:
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> Mature into WHAT? Aged Horsesquat?


Wow. Now THAT is a Troll

IMO, we should wait and see. Right now RT is neither squat nor Marino part II. It will take time, but hopefully he matures more like a fine wine than a horse dropping.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:

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> Never did DolfanQueen, you are a liar, I proved
> it. So just shut uP now.

Maybe you did "prove it", and maybe you didn't. Who cares? Here's a better question: Who are YOU to tell ANYONE to shut up?

Go play in traffic.

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> LUDUPORCU Wrote:
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> > Mature into WHAT? Aged Horsesquat?
>
>
> Wow. Now THAT is a Troll
>
> IMO, we should wait and see. Right now RT is
> neither squat nor Marino part II. It will take
> time, but hopefully he matures more like a fine
> wine than a horse dropping.

Troll, my a**. Facts are facts. TANNEHILL sucked Major League Moosecock at A & M under the tutelage of our new OC, who coached a supposedly-Top 10 team into oblivion, and got fired for it. FACTS, my friend: not "Homey" Cool-Aid.



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LUDUPORCU Wrote:
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>
> Troll, my a**. Facts are facts. TANNEHILL sucked
> Major League Moosecock at A & M under the tutelage
> of our new OC, who coached a supposedly-Top 10
> team into oblivion, and got fired for it. FACTS,
> my friend: not "Homey" Cool-Aid.

The troll thing was a joke. Obviously not that funny.

Moosecock - Now that is funny.

I disagree that Tannehill sucked. He was above average. But top ten pick? No. Complete reach where he was taken. And it will take at least a year to know if he can play in the NFL.

As for A&M being a top 10 team? Don't know that A&M was ever really expected to be a Top 10 team.

Still, with takes like yours, I gotta wonder why that Aqua and Orange yahoo even cares about what I have to say...

Actually, A&M was ranked 8th going into face the 7th ranked Oklahoma State team for the 3rd game of 2011 season.

Rightly so based on the returning Tannehill and Fuller (partly) who closed out the 2010 season with 6 straight regular season victories and two wins to start 2011.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Everyone has a right to their opinion,
even the really dumb ones.

But it’s pretty obvious someone is sporting a huge grudge
or agenda when they declare a kid’s career DOA before
he takes his first snap in pre-season.

Perhaps a wee bit over-exposed in the negative light?

Besides that, there are no “Moose” in Texas so the
deregulatory comment is both ignorant and
idiomatically speaking – possum shit!

BNF.

eesti Wrote:
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> Actually, A&M was ranked 8th going into face the
> 7th ranked Oklahoma State team for the 3rd game of
> 2011 season.
>
> Rightly so based on the returning Tannehill and
> Fuller (partly) who closed out the 2010 season
> with 6 straight regular season victories and two
> wins to start 2011.


What I said is that no one expected them to be top 10. Being in the top 10 for one game, in one season does not count as an "expectation".

I have a lot of friends and colleagues that are A&M alumni, and I can tell you for a fact that they were both surprised and stoked that A&M was in the top ten. But they never expected it.

The thing is, and no offense to UT folks, A&M is strong academic school. Like Stanford, they expect the football players to meet its academic standards, and they don't have a basket weaving major for the athletes to hide out in. These policies limits the talent available to A&M and is reason why nobody ever expects them to finish in the top ten, and why people are always surprised when they break the top ten.

And now I'm going to write something nice about RT that I'm certain the child will ignore: The fact that Tannehill graduated from A&M is a big plus. It means he is a very smart dude. And smarts are what you need in a QB. It is why Luck went #1, and will help RT make the transition to the NFL.

LUDUPORCU Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LUDUPORCU Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Mature into WHAT? Aged Horsesquat?
> >
> >
> > Wow. Now THAT is a Troll
> >
> > IMO, we should wait and see. Right now RT is
> > neither squat nor Marino part II. It will take
> > time, but hopefully he matures more like a fine
> > wine than a horse dropping.
>
> Troll, my a**. Facts are facts. TANNEHILL sucked
> Major League Moosecock at A & M under the tutelage
> of our new OC, who coached a supposedly-Top 10
> team into oblivion, and got fired for it. FACTS,
> my friend: not "Homey" Cool-Aid.

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Sucked? I don't think I could find Tanney's name in any dictionary under "suck."