What's Gruden's opinion of Tannehill?
That's the only one that matters to me.

In pursuit of intellectual integrity I believe most of us around here can agree Tennehill is a prototypical “project.” The kid has minimal legit experience at QB and is far from a finished product. In realistic terms, that makes him a 2nd round pick at best, and even lower if you discount the current feeding frenzy on QB’s in today’s Nominal Flagfootieball League. But hey, QB’s are like oil reserves worthy of speculation because if you hit on one the payoff is billions! Oh yea baby, black gold, Texas tea. Well the first thing ya know ole Ryan is a multimillionaire! Can he chuck the NFL rock? We don’t care. And they loaded up the hype and moved to Davie. Florida that is. Swimming polls. Porn stars.

Blah blah…

I’ve heard the kid eats like Jethro, widdles a fine tight football, and can run like Ellie Mae chasin’ possum up a cypress tree. Perhaps a bit inbred, but the kid has all his fingers and toes, so who knows? I say trade down and get that clown. Around 18 would be fine. Just an oh pinion of mine.

Beyond that, I’m excited about the draft and warm summer breeze. And according to Chinese astrology – the Dolphins are on the rise!

Kill the Lady. No more footieball PMS.

BNF.

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Browns fans are not so hot for Tannehill .......

Their loss. . . our gain.

Legit concerns in article BUT....who is the last franchise QB that Chicago drafted? Anyone? Beuller?

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eesti Wrote:
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> Legit concerns in article BUT....who is the last
> franchise QB that Chicago drafted? Anyone?
> Beuller?


LOL, I live in Chi-town eesti........that's a damn good point!

Cade McNown.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Legit concerns in article BUT....who is the last
> franchise QB that Chicago drafted? Anyone?
> Beuller?



"THAT'S a fargin trick question!!!"

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> I will agree with you on that A&O. If the Phins
> pick him I will be 100% for him. My concern is
> that Tannehill is not worth the #8 pick. I would
> prefer him somewhere close to where he belongs in
> the 3rd round.

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That would be great if he would be there in the 3rd round, but not gonna happen.

Miami has to do what they think is best.

but you do realize, Captkoi, that in making that choice, you are passing on choosing a "A" grade player at another position of need.

Position of "need". Not passing on a luxury but passing on a grade A player at a position of "need."

It's what I posted about Matty Ryan and Jake Long. You can't have them BOTH. If you get Matty Ryan, then he would have been here WITHOUT JAKE LONG to block for him.

BNF- so your obvious source is Jed Clampett,,,, I could live with 18, I think there are about 25 to 30 elites in this draft... I would like to get 2 picks in that top 25-30... I would like one of those alabama defenders... either the safety or either OLB MLB, I dont care...

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> but you do realize, Captkoi, that in making that
> choice, you are passing on choosing a "A" grade
> player at another position of need.
>
> Position of "need". Not passing on a luxury but
> passing on a grade A player at a position of
> "need."
>
> It's what I posted about Matty Ryan and Jake Long.
> You can't have them BOTH. If you get Matty Ryan,
> then he would have been here WITHOUT JAKE LONG to
> block for him.


Who's your grade "A" pick @ #8? Serious question

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> Browns fans are not so hot for Tannehill .......

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Problem is they aren't the one's drafting.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> but you do realize, Captkoi, that in making that
> choice, you are passing on choosing a "A" grade
> player at another position of need.
>
> Position of "need". Not passing on a luxury but
> passing on a grade A player at a position of
> "need."
>
> It's what I posted about Matty Ryan and Jake Long.
> You can't have them BOTH. If you get Matty Ryan,
> then he would have been here WITHOUT JAKE LONG to
> block for him.

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Yes, I do realize that, Chyren, but from everything I am seeing and hearing, once we get past the top 5 elite players (Luck, RG III, Kalil, Blackmon, Richardson) we are now left with very good players with question marks. Granted, DeCastro is considered the best interior lineman in this year's draft, but it is rare that anyone drafts that position this early in the draft.

Problem is, Miami has many holes to fill, and QB is one of them. If Miami has a really good season this year, there's no way they will be in position to draft one of the top ranked QBs in next year's draft, unless they put together a hell of a package to trade up. And...as of right now, IMO, next year's QBs won't be in the class of Luck and RG III.

Michael Floyd, Quentin Coples, if we can get one either Riley Reiff or Matt Kalil. If Justin Blackmon falls or Even if Trent Richardson falls by virtue of some other team making the mistake of "Tanny-panicking."

Serious answers.

Now don't come back and say, "But they won't be available."

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> BNF- so your obvious source is Jed Clampett,,,, I
> could live with 18, I think there are about 25 to
> 30 elites in this draft... I would like to get 2
> picks in that top 25-30... I would like one of
> those alabama defenders... either the safety or
> either OLB MLB, I dont care...


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Wow, Crowder, you really believe there are 25-30 elites in this year's draft? I only see five.

As to your last post, CaptKoi, on your second list, you say that they all have question marks.

None as big as Tanny who, even by his supporters' reckoning, will have to sit a year just learning the QB position to reach the point of NFL standards while QBs that have played it for their entire COLLEGE careers won't.



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captkoi Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
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> > BNF- so your obvious source is Jed Clampett,,,,
> I
> > could live with 18, I think there are about 25
> to
> > 30 elites in this draft... I would like to get
> 2
> > picks in that top 25-30... I would like one of
> > those alabama defenders... either the safety or
> > either OLB MLB, I dont care...
>
>
> **************************************************
>
>
> Wow, Crowder, you really believe there are 25-30
> elites in this year's draft? I only see five.


You are right, 5 or 6 elites, and 25-30 studs...thanks for the corrections....after 25 -30 a much bigger drop off IMO. If we cant get one of the top 5 or 6, lets get 2 studs...

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Michael Floyd, Quentin Coples, if we can get one
> either Riley Reiff or Matt Kalil. If Justin
> Blackmon falls or Even if Trent Richardson falls
> by virtue of some other team making the mistake of
> "Tanny-panicking."
>
> Serious answers.
>
> Now don't come back and say, "But they won't be
> available."

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But they won't be available <G>

Seriously tho, Blackmon is (probably) not gonna be there at 8, and if he is, Ireland is really gonna have to weigh his options. However, I just read this AM that Ireland already has his board set and is ready to draft right now. So, I am sure he believes (although I haven't talked to him personally about the draft) that he feels Blackmon will be gone by Miami's pick.

Floyd and Coples both have question marks. In fact, the draft/personnel gurus have Coples falling. Floyd has/had off the field issues. Kalil will no doubt be gone; Reiff is an interior lineman.

That's what I have been saying; pick 8 is a good position, but not one that is going to get that difference maker, no matter the position. Miami needs that impact guy, not an "ugly."

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
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> > Crowder52 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > BNF- so your obvious source is Jed
> Clampett,,,,
> > I
> > > could live with 18, I think there are about
> 25
> > to
> > > 30 elites in this draft... I would like to
> get
> > 2
> > > picks in that top 25-30... I would like one
> of
> > > those alabama defenders... either the safety
> or
> > > either OLB MLB, I dont care...
> >
> >
> >
> **************************************************
>
> >
> >
> > Wow, Crowder, you really believe there are
> 25-30
> > elites in this year's draft? I only see five.
>
>
> You are right, 5 or 6 elites, and 25-30
> studs...thanks for the corrections....after 25 -30
> a much bigger drop off IMO. If we cant get one of
> the top 5 or 6, lets get 2 studs...

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Ahhh, that's better <g>

You call the next 25-30 players studs, I call them very good players. Semantics.

But, that next bunch (and I put it the next 5-10) are good players, but with question marks. They just may turn out fine, but on the other hand....

captkoi- IMO the difference between picking 8 to 26 or so, is going to be more about option of position more then difference in talent of what the player will bring to their respective position on your team...

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> As to your last post, CaptKoi, on your second
> list, you say that they all have question marks.
>
> None as big as Tanny who, even by his supporters'
> reckoning, will have to sit a year just learning
> the QB position to reach the point of NFL
> standards while QBs that have played it for their
> entire COLLEGE careers won't.


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Not so sure Tanney's are any bigger, but I do understand your point in that he is a QB and everyone hopes that QBs start right away and play well.

I also understand everyone wants their draft picks to start right away and have an impact on the team. But, just like QB, that doesn't always happen.

I still believe Matt Moore (not so sure about Garrard) can play well enough to lead Miami to a good season until Tanney is ready. I am willing to let Tanney sit and learn the ropes and take over next year and be the guy for the future. I just keep thinking of Aaron Rodgers. He sat four years (?) until he got his shot; of course, he was sitting behind some guy named Favre.

But, again, because QB is the most important position on the team, Miami must get their guy, and in this year's case, that is Tanney. I would throw Weeden in there, but (1) because of his age, he would have to start right away and (2) he won't be there on Miami's next pick.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> captkoi- IMO the difference between picking 8 to
> 26 or so, is going to be more about option of
> position more then difference in talent of what
> the player will bring to their respective position
> on your team...

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And the question is, and we won't know the answer until after the draft, is how does Ireland have his board set up -- position or best player available?

Chyren I like a few of the players you proposed at #8 and some I do not like. Ill start with my dislikes.

Reiff is gonna be a very good RT and an above average LT. Not someone you spend a top 10 on. The drop off between Kalil and Reiff is huge and the drop off between Reiff and the next three or four tackles is noticeable but not huge. Which is to say, we could draft a OT in the early second and get better value.

Micheal Floyd would be a good pick but I have questions about his off the field issues. Also, this pick would not fit with our new WCO. We will be picking guys in the 2-5 rounds trying to get guys that fit our style and give us good value. We won't be targeting any particular receiver when we throw so its not good value to invest such a high pick in a guy that is only gonna get 20% of the targets.

Blackmon and Richardson seriously won't be available but if they were then I think the smart move is to start a bidding war (if we can) and pick up some more picks (hopefully a future #1). Or, I would fine with just taking Richardson.

Coples is my favorite of those you listed. I love his versatility and potential. I have concerns about his motivation but its easy to fall in love with what he can do when his motor is running. I would be ok with that pick.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> captkoi- IMO the difference between picking 8 to
> 26 or so, is going to be more about option of
> position more then difference in talent of what
> the player will bring to their respective position
> on your team...


Spot on and very true in most cases. After the first six elite guys are gone, the next 15-20 guys all have questions and it depends on what you value and which questions bother a team the most. For instance, certain positions are just valued lower, Decastro will be elite but at G his value is the question teams must ask themselves.

And cap, I agree that Moore or Garrard could handle this season and do well. Tanny should sit a year unless both of those guys fall on their faces. In one year Tanny should be good to go. He will already know the offense, he will have time to study NFL defenses, get chemistry with the offense, and gain consistency other areas of his game (footwork, accuracy). And Rodgers sat 3 seasons.

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
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> > captkoi- IMO the difference between picking 8
> to
> > 26 or so, is going to be more about option of
> > position more then difference in talent of what
> > the player will bring to their respective
> position
> > on your team...
>
>
> Spot on and very true in most cases. After the
> first six elite guys are gone, the next 15-20 guys
> all have questions and it depends on what you
> value and which questions bother a team the most.
> For instance, certain positions are just valued
> lower, Decastro will be elite but at G his value
> is the question teams must ask themselves.
>
> And cap, I agree that Moore or Garrard could
> handle this season and do well. Tanny should sit
> a year unless both of those guys fall on their
> faces. In one year Tanny should be good to go.
> He will already know the offense, he will have
> time to study NFL defenses, get chemistry with the
> offense, and gain consistency other areas of his
> game (footwork, accuracy). And Rodgers sat 3
> seasons.

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Thanx for calling me "Cap."

And....Tanney has an advantage as he is already familiar with Sherman's offense. Probably just have to pick up a few of the changes that will be made to fit in with what Philbin likes.

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> But, again, because QB is the most important
> position on the team, Miami must get their guy,
> and in this year's case, that is Tanney. I would
> throw Weeden in there, but (1) because of his age,
> he would have to start right away and (2) he won't
> be there on Miami's next pick.

He might be there but, tune out Dolphaholic, IF YOU ARE THAT BENT ON DRAFTING A QB THIS YEAR when it might not be in the stars, I would rather

1) Try to get Osweiler or Cousins after round 3

2) Trade one of our number 3s and our no. 2 to move up to ensure getting Weeden.