There has been a lot of talk since Tebow joined the NFL about how he can't throw.

I don't have the stats in front of me, but didn't he put up big numbers in college?

Pretty much.

Just proves the point that college stats are a silly basis for rating a qb's pro potential or projecting what he will actually end up doing in the NFL.

for QBs that play in gimmky offenses, college stats are really misleading. Otherwise Case Kennan and the Boise QB would be #1 picks, and Timmy Chang and Colt Brennon would be Pro Bowlers. And Andre Ware and David Klinger wouldn't have been collassal busts.

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Well, they may not be EVERYTHING but to say that they mean nothing is quite another thing.

Yes, stats can be misleading but so can many things in life which we ultimately have to rely on as a guide.

We can't throw out those guides altogether because of the occasional aberration.

But even more than throwing out those guides, THE Truth says that relying on stats is downright silly.

That is why................................

I'd say of all the positions a QB's stats are the most unreliable. A LB who has 15 sacks his Sr yr of college is much more likely to be a great pro than a QB who threw for 5000 yards. Of course stats can't be discounted entirely but for QBs they can be fairly useless when amassed in a goofy college offense.
I'd say Tannehill's stats are a decent measure, however, since he played in an NFL offense (in fact, our offense).

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> for QBs that play in gimmky offenses, college
> stats are really misleading. Otherwise Case Kennan
> and the Boise QB would be #1 picks, and Timmy
> Chang and Colt Brennon would be Pro Bowlers. And
> Andre Ware and David Klinger wouldn't have been
> collassal busts.


Precisely right.

It's why college stats are useless in forecasting how a qb will do in the nfl. Too many variables from system, to talent on the team to level of competition.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I'd say of all the positions a QB's stats are the
> most unreliable. A LB who has 15 sacks his Sr yr
> of college is much more likely to be a great pro
> than a QB who threw for 5000 yards. Of course
> stats can't be discounted entirely but for QBs
> they can be fairly useless when amassed in a goofy
> college offense.
> I'd say Tannehill's stats are a decent measure,
> however, since he played in an NFL offense (in
> fact, our offense).

Exactly.

Do stats factor in into an evaluation? Sometimes. At least when you can compare apples to apples. But it's just silly to rely on them as the basis of an evaluation.

I dont agree with a him coming from a gimicky offense, Gators ran the spread option, and tebow threw well. But the offense was based on the run, kind of like a QB throwing in a play action. WHen every body on defense bites on the run, you basicly throw the ball up and let your WR, run underneath it...or A TE, straight up the seam... long balls or quick pass to Percy... Percy Harvin, Riley Cooper, Aaron Hernandez, were his main targets, pouncey twins blocking, throw the ball up and let them make the play.. They were not running alot of long outs, fades, timing passes, etc.
Fake the run and Jump pass.lol..., or go deep when the safety cheats up to play the run...
Tebow's problem is he didnt need to make alot of those tough throws to get the job done in college, that you have to make in the NFL... as I said the fades, long outs, timing passes..

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That being said, I wouldnt bet against Tebow. HE has "IT".. Which college stats cant tell u either... other then maybe a heisman and two national championships in 4 years..

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/18/2012 10:06AM by Crowder52.

I agree he has "IT"-- a horrible throwing motion and weak arm.
oh were you referring to something else

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> I agree he has "IT"-- a horrible throwing motion
> and weak arm.
> oh were you referring to something else


lol, nope the "IT" was the 2 National championship rings on his fingers, a Heisman Trophy on the mantle... And in the record books for scoring 55 TD's in a single season

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I dont agree with a him coming from a gimicky
> offense, Gators ran the spread option, and tebow
> threw well. But the offense was based on the run,
> kind of like a QB throwing in a play action. WHen
> every body on defense bites on the run, you
> basicly throw the ball up and let your WR, run
> underneath it...or A TE, straight up the seam...
> long balls or quick pass to Percy... Percy Harvin,
> Riley Cooper, Aaron Hernandez, were his main
> targets, pouncey twins blocking, throw the ball up
> and let them make the play.. They were not running
> alot of long outs, fades, timing passes, etc.
> Fake the run and Jump pass.lol..., or go deep when
> the safety cheats up to play the run...
> Tebow's problem is he didnt need to make alot of
> those tough throws to get the job done in college,
> that you have to make in the NFL... as I said the
> fades, long outs, timing passes..


You nailed it. His college offense didn't resemble anything in the NFL. He didn't have to make tough throws cuz everyone was wide open. And even then he usually didn't hit guys in stride. When your throwing window is humongous then ball placement isn't a huge deal.

Also, if you could put all those Gators on one team in the NFL then that would be a pretty good offense. Pouncey twins, Cooper, Hernandez, Harvin. Lots of big NFL talent on those teams making Tebow's job easier.

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> You nailed it. His college offense didn't
> resemble anything in the NFL. He didn't have to
> make tough throws cuz everyone was wide open. And
> even then he usually didn't hit guys in stride.
> When your throwing window is humongous then ball
> placement isn't a huge deal.
>
> Also, if you could put all those Gators on one
> team in the NFL then that would be a pretty good
> offense. Pouncey twins, Cooper, Hernandez,
> Harvin. Lots of big NFL talent on those teams
> making Tebow's job easier.

It gets even better, they had Cam Newton on the bench for 2 years, taking a couple snaps when Tebow got roughed up. On defense had names like Brandon SPikes, at LB, Joe Haden, Janoris Jenkins on corner, Major Wright, Reggie Nelson at safety, etc....the rosters were elite i could name more NFL players on those teams....... Meyer was a beast at recruiting while at florida...

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I never, hardly ever, agree with Skip Bayless, but...

Skip is right about Denver's offense last season.


In College under Urban Meyer's offense, Tim Tebow threw for nearly 10,000 yards and completed 66% of his passes.

His two main targets were Aaron Hernandez and Percy Harvin, both dink and dunk guys who make plays after the catch.

If you watched Denver's offense, they did NONE of that. I bet nobody on this board can even name Denver's TE. Their two best WR's were vertical threats.

Tim Tebow is excellent on deep passes, and short dink and dunk passes.

The majority of Denver's offense was 10-25 yard in and outs. A very tough pass for Tim to complete.

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