I can't see Ireland trading up from #8 to take Tannehill. Not his style to give away a bunch of picks. But, I could see him taking Tannehill at #8 or I could see him drafting a pass rusher with the pick. So, which of the following two scenarios would put him in the bigger doghouse with Ross?

1. He passes on Tannehill at #8, and Tannehill goes on to outperform Luck and/or Griffin and/or becomes a franchise QB for whoever picks him.

2. He takes Tannehill at #8, and it's the second coming of Chad Henne.

Which of these two scenarios puts his job at greater risk? Personally, I think it's #1. If Tannehill turns into a franchise QB, and we had a shot at him, and didn't pull the trigger, I don't think Ireland weathers that storm. Certainly not from a fan standpoint, and I would have to believe that Ross would be pretty riled as well. If so, does this put more pressure on Ireland to take Tannehill, even if he has his doubts, and hope for the best? Thoughts?

Fins72 Wrote:
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> I can't see Ireland trading up from #8 to take
> Tannehill. Not his style to give away a bunch of
> picks. But, I could see him taking Tannehill at
> #8 or I could see him drafting a pass rusher with
> the pick. So, which of the following two
> scenarios would put him in the bigger doghouse
> with Ross?
>
> 1. He passes on Tannehill at #8, and Tannehill
> goes on to outperform Luck and/or Griffin and/or
> becomes a franchise QB for whoever picks him.
>
> 2. He takes Tannehill at #8, and it's the second
> coming of Chad Henne.
>
> Which of these two scenarios puts his job at
> greater risk? Personally, I think it's #1. If
> Tannehill turns into a franchise QB, and we had a
> shot at him, and didn't pull the trigger, I don't
> think Ireland weathers that storm. Certainly not
> from a fan standpoint, and I would have to believe
> that Ross would be pretty riled as well. If so,
> does this put more pressure on Ireland to take
> Tannehill, even if he has his doubts, and hope for
> the best? Thoughts?

I don't think both scenarios put his job at risk.

#2 clearly does.

But if he passes on Tannehill he's almost assuredly drafting a qb like Wheedon or a 1st round qb next year. His fate would be tied to that other qb.

Either way I think it's unlikely he gets fired before the end of next years draft, and not likely before the end of that 2013 season.

How about a 3rd scenario:

We take someone ELSE at #8 and Tannehill drops to the bottom of the 1st round. Then we trade our 2nd and one of our 3rd rounders to move up and take him.

Monte, I'd hope that would work out better for us than it did with the Browns/Brady Quinn under almost identical circumstances

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montequi Wrote:
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> How about a 3rd scenario:
>
> We take someone ELSE at #8 and Tannehill drops to
> the bottom of the 1st round. Then we trade our
> 2nd and one of our 3rd rounders to move up and
> take him.


Sorry, I can't go there.

My fantasys usually involve Jessica Alba, not football players.





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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> Monte, I'd hope that would work out better for us
> than it did with the Browns/Brady Quinn under
> almost identical circumstances

Ouch! You just had to bring that up. Good thing we didn't take Quinn, huh? We got MUCH better value out of Tedd Ginn.......wait.....NEVERMIND!

Whats the big DEAL with TANNEHILL?

You know what puts him at risk the most? If Matt Flynn blows up in Seattle...
Last year, Orton blowing up in Denver would have put him in tremendous risk...
If Tannehill blows up... Basicly if a QB we passed on for whatever reason, blows up somewhere, and Moore or whoever Ireland choose instead doesnt, Ireland is gone IMO...

The faith I have in Ireland at choosing the right QB, after his good decisions last year is decent... He passed on Orton for big money and signed Moore for a reasonable number. Moore greatly outperfromed anything Orton did last year...the guy was benched after 4 games or so..
Ireland did pass on Andy Dalton who lead his team to the play offs in his rookie year... good and bad
So, that is where it is at IMO... But Irelands eye for QB seems better then we have done in the past, but that is based on a year or so... But it is better then passing on Drew Brees twice....

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> As I said before, the determination guy on
> Tannehill will be Sherman. Therefore, I don't
> think Ireland's job would be in jeopardy in EITHER
> scenario unless Ireland simply overruled Sherman's
> desire in which case Ireland's future would very
> much be in trouble if Sherman said no and Ireland
> said yes and Tannehill was a bust or if Sherman
> said yes and Ireland said no and Tannehill became
> Dan Marino.
>
> If Ireland said No because he wanted a different
> player at a different position, then this might
> not NECESSARILY be true. If we came up with an
> all pro OL, DL, or WR, then Ireland's decision to
> overrule him would be put in a different light.


Sherman is an employee, Ireland is the head of football operations... THe top guy... Ross is going to hold Ireland responsible, not his underling... Ireland is paid to make those decisions not Sherman..... WHile I agree Shermans will have a heavy influnce on educating Ireland, at the end of the day, Ireland will not escape accountability from Ross on it... How could he? He will recieve either the praise or the wrath... Unless he solved it somehwere else.... As PF2 said in an earlier post, winning solves alot of problems.... no matter how you do it... losing magnifies and embellishes those problems, no matter how you do it...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> You know what puts him at risk the most? If Matt
> Flynn blows up in Seattle...
> Last year, Orton blowing up in Denver would have
> put him in tremendous risk...
> If Tannehill blows up... Basicly if a QB we passed
> on for whatever reason, blows up somewhere, and
> Moore or whoever Ireland choose instead doesnt,
> Ireland is gone IMO...
>
> The faith I have in Ireland at choosing the right
> QB, after his good decisions last year is
> decent... He passed on Orton for big money and
> signed Moore for a reasonable number. Moore
> greatly outperfromed anything Orton did last
> year...the guy was benched after 4 games or so..
> Ireland did pass on Andy Dalton who lead his team
> to the play offs in his rookie year... good and
> bad
> So, that is where it is at IMO... But Irelands eye
> for QB seems better then we have done in the past,
> but that is based on a year or so... But it is
> better then passing on Drew Brees twice....


+1

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As I said before, the determination guy on
> > Tannehill will be Sherman. Therefore, I don't
> > think Ireland's job would be in jeopardy in
> EITHER
> > scenario unless Ireland simply overruled
> Sherman's
> > desire in which case Ireland's future would
> very
> > much be in trouble if Sherman said no and
> Ireland
> > said yes and Tannehill was a bust or if Sherman
> > said yes and Ireland said no and Tannehill
> became
> > Dan Marino.
> >
> > If Ireland said No because he wanted a
> different
> > player at a different position, then this might
> > not NECESSARILY be true. If we came up with an
> > all pro OL, DL, or WR, then Ireland's decision
> to
> > overrule him would be put in a different light.
>
>
> Sherman is an employee, Ireland is the head of
> football operations... THe top guy... Ross is
> going to hold Ireland responsible, not his
> underling... Ireland is paid to make those
> decisions not Sherman..... WHile I agree Shermans
> will have a heavy influnce on educating Ireland,
> at the end of the day, Ireland will not escape
> accountability from Ross on it... How could he? He
> will recieve either the praise or the wrath...
> Unless he solved it somehwere else.... As PF2 said
> in an earlier post, winning solves alot of
> problems.... no matter how you do it... losing
> magnifies and embellishes those problems, no
> matter how you do it...

But how is what you say, at the end of the day, different from what I'm saying? Think about it.

If Ireland trusts Sherman either that Tannehill is great and he sucks or that Tannehill sucks and he's great, Ireland will go with that unless, as footnoted above, he has himself another choice. If either of those happen, Ireland will be booted out along with Sherman.

If, on the other hand, Ireland GOES AGAINST SHERMAN and is wrong, he is booted out nonetheless for failing to follow the advice either "don't pick Tannehill, he sucks" or "You better grab him, he's great."

All my post does it to more properly focus the inquiry on Sherman and his view of Tannehill.

Also remember my qualification above that if Ireland wants ANOTHER PLAYER picked at 8 and Tannehill is gone when we come around for our next pick, the dynamics might be different.

Shermans word is no more relevant then a trusted scout, i'm sure Ireland will weigh what hes has to say, but it will come down to Irelands own gut feeling.

Hmmmm.. As I remember, Custer decided not to follow the advice of HIS scouts.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Hmmmm.. As I remember, Custer decided not to
> follow the advice of HIS scouts.

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Custer didn't have a choice.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Yes, he did. The false impression most people had
> was that Custer was attacked or ambushed.
>
> In fact, he was in the process of ENGAGING the
> enemy and SURPRISING THEM but he was woefully
> wrong on what was their number and it was HE who
> was surprised when he discovered their number.
>
> Here is a history refresher from Wikipedia
>
> The first group to attack was Major Reno's second
> detachment (Companies M, A and G), conducted after
> receiving orders from Custer written out by Lt.
> William W. Cooke, as Custer's Crow scouts reported
> Sioux tribe members were alerting the village.
> Ordered to charge, Reno began that phase of the
> battle. The orders, made without accurate
> knowledge of the village's size, location, or the
> warriors' propensity to stand and fight, had been
> to pursue the Native Americans and "bring them to
> battle." Reno's force crossed the Little Bighorn
> at the mouth of what is today Reno Creek around
> 3:00 pm They immediately realized that the Lakota
> and Northern Cheyenne were present "in force and
> not running away."
>
> Movement of Major Reno's three Companies Reno
> advanced rapidly across the open field towards the
> northwest, his movements masked by the thick
> bramble of trees that ran along the southern banks
> of the Little Bighorn river. The same trees on his
> front right shielded his movements across the wide
> field over which his men rapidly rode, first with
> two approximately forty-man companies abreast and
> eventually with all three charging abreast. The
> trees also obscured Reno's view of the Native
> American village until his force had passed that
> bend on his right front and was suddenly within
> arrow shot of the village. The tepees in that area
> were occupied by the Hunkpapa Sioux. Neither
> Custer nor Reno had much idea of the length, depth
> and size of the encampment they were attacking, as
> the village was hidden by the trees

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You did not mention (above) that Custer did or did not have a choice.

I have done a lot of research on Custer and it would be too lengthy to go into here, so I won't.

Suffice it to say that Custer had orders, and he followed them (maybe not to the letter, however).

I am also well aware that Custer was not ambushed.

Okay.