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To Which of the 3 Groups Do you Belong

	Just don't want us to take Tannehill at 8
	Will be mad if we DON'T take Tannehill at 8 no matter what and want us to take him no matter what.
	Will be happy with whatever Sherman does whether he drafts Tannehill or he passes on Tannehill

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There are really 3, not 2, groups on the Tannehill question.

The first group are those that don't won't him no matter what and would be disappointed if we draft him.

The second group are those that want him badly if Luck And RGIII are gone and will be disappointed if we PASS ON HIM AT 8.

The Third group will be fine with whatever Sherman does, if we pass on him like Philbin passed on Flynn, they'll be happy but still, if we draft him, they will be happy because Sherman, like Philbin did with Flynn, must know best.

Voted group 3.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

But not sure Why you say Sherman. It's Ireland who makes the decisions.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2012 07:11PM by Aqua&Orange.

YEah, but he will probably rely heavily on Sherman who used to coach Tannehill so really, the bottom line is that Sherman will be making the decision if not actually having the final say.

No. Ireland will be making the decision.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Anywho,

I will be happy on whoever Ireland feels is worthy of the #8 pick. I want a player. Someone who is going to change the face of this franchise.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

there is a clear 4th and even 5th group.
#4 wants us to trade up to get Tannehill if that is the only was to guarantee getting him.
#5 is happy with tannehill at #8 but not OK if we trade up to get him

put me in #5

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Another,

trade down unless richardson falls and get additional picks

I voted 3.

I believe what Ross said is true - if they really wanted Flynn, they would have signed him. The unspoken part was that they relied on their intimate knowledge of him to make that decision...but the silence rang loud and clear.

I think they'll do the same with Tannehill. They'll rely on the best source of intimate knowledge about him and get a conviction. That conviction might be that he's right for them...might be that he's not. It still bothers me a little that Sherman started another QB over him, but I've come to grips with the fact that the starter was far from a dud and was the incumbent. Like someone else said, same thing happened to Brady at Michigan.

Three

I'm sort-of #3, but I could see many scenarios where I WON'T be happy.

I voted #2 because there is no way that we have a shot at Luck or Griffin, period. Tannehill is the best, and most promising player left at the QB position. He has all of the tools and all of the intangibles as well as athletic ability that is very close to that of Griffin.

To me taking him is a no brainer but I do realize that the choice will be made by Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman together. So, given that fact I will be upset if they don't take him because of his skill set and what he could offer the team going forward. But, I also realize the staff has to be sold on him to do that...if they aren't, then I'll be fine with it provided they take Wheeden as a consolation prize.

So, I guess my actual position is more like 2.5.

Option 3. This is Philbin's career shot that he has been working for. I like the fact that he was not that confident in Flynn and passed. Go for Tannehill if you think he's the one. Don't if you do not.

I'm not real sure how anybody could vote for anything but #3, you have an offensive braintrust of Philbin/Sherman who have been involved in the careers of Favre and Rodgers, whatever they say about this kid should be all we need to know, especially Sherman.

Bingo.

If you vote 1, then you are blindly not wanting a guy because you (who is not an evaluator) believe he is not a good QB.

But then, if you vote 2, you are solely putting your hopes into this guy when you (who is not a talent evaluator) knows nothing about what he will be.

Like dolphaholic said, everybody should be picking 3.

Option 3 means you want the best for the Dolphins. THe other two means you want what you want, that is selfish.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I just wish there was an Option 4, because there's no guarantee I'll be happy with whoever we pick at #8. I wasn't happy with Tedd Ginn Jr. I wasn't happy with Jamar Fletcher. I wasn't happy with Eddie Moore. I reserve the right to be unhappy if I don't like the pick!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2012 05:34AM by montequi.

That is true, Monte.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Since we are on this topic, Vic...

give me a list of guys you would be happy with if we picked at #8.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I voted group 3.

I'm confident that both Sherman & Philbin have at least some influence with Ireland. After all, they have to coach the players.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> But 4 and 5 are variations of taking Tannehill at
> 8. OPTION 4: If they would take him at 4, then
> they would necessarily take him at 8.
>
> OPTION 5: If they would not want to trade up for
> him to no. 4, then they still would be satisfied
> with him at 8. All the no. 5 does is throw out a
> different fact situation
>
> The question here is who, really, are going to be
> the people who will be pissed at not taking
> Tannehill when he is available AT 8?
>
> What you have done is come up with a scenario
> wherein he will only be available at 4.
>
> You could then extrapolate further, berk, in the
> carrying the argument out to its logical extremes,
> ask "Well, What if Indy announced before the draft
> that they are drafting Tannehill rather than Luck?
> So let's include an answer as to whether we
> should do a Ditka-like Ricky Williams trade with
> Indy to get Tannehill?"
>
> I mean you could go on and on but to keep it
> simple, I just want to know which people want
> Tannehill, which people don't want him, and which
> people will rely on Sherman/Ireland to make that
> decision and will consider whatever decision they
> make as a guarantee of correctness.


I would be fine/happy taking him at 8, but not fine/unhappy if we trade up to get him. Meaning I guess he is worth the #8 pick in the draft, but I don't think he is worth the #8 pick and whatever it would take to get him at #3 in a trade up (next years #1, or this years 2 and 3s? now way!). totally different things. Just like, everyone would take RG3 at 8, but not everyone would have given up what WAS did to get him in a trade up. Just bc you'd be happy taking the guy at 8 doesn't mean you're happy with him under all circumstances.
But if the poll is asking only "would you be happy with him at 8," then my answer is yes, grudgingly, because while I assume the experts who've been fawning over him lately know what they are talking about, I just don't see anything here that screams "top 10 franchise QB we've all be waiting for." Certainly not trade up worthy.

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In 5 years if this draft of QB's are remembered by Tannehill being the best, would he then have solidified his right to be a top 1,2,3,4, or 5 pick?

Just a hypothetical question.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

sure. and tom brady has solidified his right to be the #1 over all the year he came out, as did kurt warner. but had those teams taken them there at the time, it would've been a horrible pick. just the way it works

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Dolphoholic said

"I'm not real sure how anybody could vote for anything but #3, you have an offensive braintrust of Philbin/Sherman who have been involved in the careers of Favre and Rodgers, whatever they say about this kid should be all we need to know, especially Sherman."

OK its a new crew but we still have ireland!
his Sherman also judged the kid #2 or 3 on his college team for a few years. This is like taking Matt Cassell or Matt Moore in the top 10. What has this kid shown that Matt Moore, or even Pat Devlin, have not?

I guess as said, we he is a bust we will have a shot next year , but this would just show we have no frekin clue when it comes to talent evaluation

We have no #1 WR unless Gates, Hartline or Wallace or Moore can be that third year developer

well if we draft tannehill and he turns out to suck as a QB maybe we can convert him back to WR!

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All I am saying is this....

Myself or anybody else on this board, knows more about football and talent evaluation than Jeff Ireland, Joe Philbin, or Mike Sherman.

For once is a long time as a Dolphins fan I feel comfortable with the people in charge of the draft, so...

I am going to trust in what they do, and whoever the pick is, Tannehill or somebody else...I will be excited to see them in a Phins uniform.

Im not going to sit here and bitch about anybody.

Just let the people who know what they are doing be in charge and make the best decisions.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I am not comfortable with Ireland making these decisions. He made them last year and had a big role in prior years and hasn't shown to be any sort of a maven. I am more comfortable with Philbin/Sherman's opinion on QBs but it is Ireland's call ultimately on who we pick

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I dont want us to take Tannehill at 8. I think missing on a QB at 8, cost your team dearly. The risk of that, vs the time, development, and millions of variable in that development, make me nervous in putting #8 type of trust in him. As I pointed out all of the talent evaluators put 4 guys as top ten talent, yet we all know that 4 guys will not be franchise qb's.
Now everbody says Tannehill is a top ten, he should go 3 or even 4. Yet I know the chances of 3 guys being franchise QB's is horrible... And if you look at the 3, Tannehill clearly has the most risk... If we want a top guy, then lets trade up next year and get one. But convincing ourselves Ryan Tannehill is going to be the savior, not so sure about that scope of thinking.. maybe he is, but that is one hell of a prediction...
A prediction caused by DolphinsractafractaQBdisomnia mal tosis.
I just hope if we do draft this kid, it is because Ireland, Philbin, and SHerman, really like him, not because they felt they had to take a shot on QB, because Ross and the fanbase are so desperate for one, he had to feed the crowd or owner one, to keep from mutiny or firing....

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> All I am saying is this....
>
> Myself or anybody else on this board, knows more
> about football and talent evaluation than Jeff
> Ireland, Joe Philbin, or Mike Sherman.
>
> For once is a long time as a Dolphins fan I feel
> comfortable with the people in charge of the
> draft, so...
>
> I am going to trust in what they do, and whoever
> the pick is, Tannehill or somebody else...I will
> be excited to see them in a Phins uniform.
>
> Im not going to sit here and bitch about anybody.
>
> Just let the people who know what they are doing
> be in charge and make the best decisions.


We have reason to question their leadership and choices. I always back my team, but this GM and owner, deserve to be questioned... Tony Sparano got fileted and fried by these guys, Myself, like so many others believed that Ireland was just as much to blame for the team as anyone else... He did sign Columbo last year to play starting RT... I could go on but the roster is his and there is lots of reason to question the players he puts on the field... From the Brandon Marhsall trade, to Pat White, Chad Henne, Gibril WIlson, Jake Grove,etc, to clowns like Columbo being signed to start RT.. TO how he handles Will Allen, Benn Sapp, Jason Allen, Andre Goodman, YB, Crowder, etc... F*ck Ireland and his bitch ass