Looks like Cleveland is playing mind games with Miami.

They know there is a lot of talk of Miami strongly considering Tannehill with their 1st pick. So, they are throwing all kinds of "stuff" out there to throw everyone off track as to what they are going to do with the 4th pick.

It has come out that Cleveland has no intentions of trading up, but are willing to trade down, no lower than 8 (hmmm...isn't that Miami's pick<g>? There is strong talk that Clev is interested in both Richardson and Blackmon. Latest has them bringing Tannehill in for a visit.

Now, my question is....how strong a conviction does Miami really have in Tannehill? If it is extremely strong and they have to have Tannehill, all that baloney may be making Miami nervous and force them to trade up. If Miami has a strong conviction on Tannehill but will play Cleveland's bluff, then they will remain at 8 and hope for the best. If Tannehill falls to them, so be it.

However, Miami may also be playing mind games and trying to convince everyone that Tannehill is their pick, where in reality, they may be looking for a trade down and get the best valued QB there.

Ahhh....the greatness of the draft.

Do I need to write a new "Battle of Wits" scene?

one thing I will give ireland is he doesn't get suckered. look at least year with orton, he didn't budge and denver ended up getting screwed. I really don't think he's dumb enough to fall for this. There is great upside to us if CLE takes tannehill at #4 since it will push a premier guy down to us, to either take or trade down as bait. Trading up to get him would be just horrible.

I think this aspect of being a GM is one of Ireland's greatest strengths. He never tips his hand and has a great poker face. He sets a limit on how much he is willing to give up and never budges. He is great at calling bluffs too. In this situation, I have great trust in Ireland.

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> I think this aspect of being a GM is one of
> Ireland's greatest strengths. He never tips his
> hand and has a great poker face. He sets a limit
> on how much he is willing to give up and never
> budges. He is great at calling bluffs too. In
> this situation, I have great trust in Ireland.


He's a good Poker player for sure. Just wish players had more trust in him.

But TCPF, will you still feel the same if he PASSES on Ryan Tannehill?

I would.

If we pass on Tannehill, then it is obvious they have no faith in him, and I would be totally fine with that.

At this point, I trust their decision. I really have no choice but to.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

we pass or trade down and take him later. I don't see us takking him at 8. we need mas picks

If we are taking him, then it will be at #8. No way they lose out on a prospect they want.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> But TCPF, will you still feel the same if he
> PASSES on Ryan Tannehill?
>
> I would.


I'm going to be 100% honest.........My head is swimming. Don't know what to think anymore. If you told me 2 months ago we would have David Gerrard I would have laughed you in the face.

I would not have, TCPF.

Not because I would have like it but I would have said, "typical."

I'd say we have a 50-50 chance at Tannehill, and will be stunned if we reach up to get him.

The FO does not seem to be nearly as freaked out as some of the media pundits over the QB situation. Same for those on this board.

They are looking for decent value in all selections, what else would we want them to do? Manning, Flynn (not in the value proposition or an option)

Tannehill - Maybe at 8 certainly not at 4. Desparate moves are stupid. I'd rather see us get a difference maker at 8 (value for postion) than freak out and reach up for someone beyond their value.

I for one am glad about the approach thus far, and patient

We will go downhill if we draft tannehill.


A worst version of henne.

Just because we are in need of a Qb we do not have to draft the first scrub thats on the board.

Wait until 2013.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> If Cleveland is making overtures, it's because
> they must not be sold on Justin Blackmon.
>
> Therefore, logically, my advice to Ross and
> Ireland will be "do you want to trade up to number
> 4 to get Blackmon, not Tannehill?" If you so, you
> might want to consider it BUT if it is Tannehill
> that you want, relax, Cleveland will either take
> Blackmon or go somewhere else.
>
> And Nobody between 4 and 7 wants Tannehill.

I agree 100%. I'd trade up for Blackmon, but not Tannehill.

Phinjim Wrote:
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> I'd say we have a 50-50 chance at Tannehill, and
> will be stunned if we reach up to get him.
>
> The FO does not seem to be nearly as freaked out
> as some of the media pundits over the QB
> situation. Same for those on this board.
>
> They are looking for decent value in all
> selections, what else would we want them to do?
> Manning, Flynn (not in the value proposition or an
> option)
>
> Tannehill - Maybe at 8 certainly not at 4.
> Desparate moves are stupid. I'd rather see us get
> a difference maker at 8 (value for postion) than
> freak out and reach up for someone beyond their
> value.
>
> I for one am glad about the approach thus far, and
> patient

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Here's the situation with Tannehill, IMO.

I think Miami will stay right where they are, unless Tannehill gets selected before Miami's pick. If that happens, then, unless Miami has a strong conviction on another player, they trade back (again, no lower than 15) and pick up an extra 2nd rounder.

I, like some of you here, also don't see Ireland panicking. I truly don't believe he has a "must have, no matter what" conviction on Tannehill. If Tannehill is there at 8, then Ireland will (probably) take him.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> We will go downhill if we draft tannehill.
>
>
> A worst version of henne.
>
> Just because we are in need of a Qb we do not have
> to draft the first scrub thats on the board.
>
> Wait until 2013.

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Sam, why do you insist on waiting until 2013 for a QB? I hope you don't think Barkley is the next great QB. I think he will probably have a good career, but not a great one. Miami won't be in position in the 2013 draft to get one of those top-rated QBs anyway.

Tannehill is definitely not a scrub QB. He is a good QB that may need a year of learning. But he does have a good future in the league; how good will be determined by him.

captkoi Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We will go downhill if we draft tannehill.
> >
> >
> > A worst version of henne.
> >
> > Just because we are in need of a Qb we do not
> have
> > to draft the first scrub thats on the board.
> >
> > Wait until 2013.
>
> **************************************************
> *********
>
> Sam, why do you insist on waiting until 2013 for a
> QB? I hope you don't think Barkley is the next
> great QB. I think he will probably have a good
> career, but not a great one. Miami won't be in
> position in the 2013 draft to get one of those
> top-rated QBs anyway.


I agree with you that i definetely do not know how good he is going to be in the pros....100 percent agreed.

But how would you know he is going to be good but not great...?

So you have to agree with me you do not know either...

Nobody knows..

Aren't we supposed to draft the best player available?

He was talked about this year as going in the early first round...So as of now his stock is high....Might be even higher next year.

Captkoi.............I believe we are going to be even worse and pick higher in the first round next year. I think we will have a shot at drafting barkley.

If we dont then well, i will keep been a fan and grow yet another ulcer.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> We will go downhill if we draft tannehill.
>
>
> A worst version of henne.
>
> Just because we are in need of a Qb we do not have
> to draft the first scrub thats on the board.
>
> Wait until 2013.

Why not go for Weedon? I say draft SOMEONE at QB, but draft them at the appropriate place (not too high). If that means we trade down or take a risk on someone in later rounds, so-be-it.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > We will go downhill if we draft tannehill.
> > >
> > >
> > > A worst version of henne.
> > >
> > > Just because we are in need of a Qb we do not
> > have
> > > to draft the first scrub thats on the board.
> > >
> > > Wait until 2013.
> >
> >
> **************************************************
>
> > *********
> >
> > Sam, why do you insist on waiting until 2013 for
> a
> > QB? I hope you don't think Barkley is the next
> > great QB. I think he will probably have a good
> > career, but not a great one. Miami won't be in
> > position in the 2013 draft to get one of those
> > top-rated QBs anyway.
>
>
> I agree with you that i definetely do not know how
> good he is going to be in the pros....100 percent
> agreed.
>
> But how would you know he is going to be good but
> not great...?
>
> So you have to agree with me you do not know
> either...
>
> Nobody knows..
>
> Aren't we supposed to draft the best player
> available?
>
> He was talked about this year as going in the
> early first round...So as of now his stock is
> high....Might be even higher next year.
>
> Captkoi.............I believe we are going to be
> even worse and pick higher in the first round next
> year. I think we will have a shot at drafting
> barkley.
>
> If we dont then well, i will keep been a fan and
> grow yet another ulcer.

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Hey, everyone on the board. My screenname is CaptKoi, but like on the board I used to frequent, you guys can call me "Cap."

Sam, it has been said over and over no team will get to the Super Bowl without a top notch QB (a few exceptions, of course). THAT is why I am advocating Tannehill. It would be GREAT if Tannehill could be drafted in the 2nd round, or even late in the first, but that's not the way it works in the NFL. Miami has been accused since Marino retired that they will never make it to the big dance until they get that franchise guy. Tannehill has the makings of being that guy. So, should Miami just go right by him and hope they can get lucky in later rounds? I don't think so. Miami has to take that chance. I'm not guaranteeing he will be THE GUY, but there's no other way to know for sure unless Miami drafts him.

Something you have to realize is that Cleveland MAY take him at pick #4, and if they don't, it is rumored that Seattle and KC are prepared to move up ahead of Miami to grab him. Could Tannehill turn out to be a bust for whatever team drafts him? Of course, but again, until he gets on the field, no one will ever know for sure.

As far as Barkley, I agree with ya -- no one knows how poor/good/great Barkley will be, just like we don't know with Tannehill. That's why Miami must take that chance. It isn't like Miami is drafting a 5th rounder with their 8th pick. And....since you agree that no one knows how Barkley will do, why draft him at #1?

Yes, we are supposed to draft the best player available, but at 8, those guys are already gone. Coples may be there -- much negativity has been written about him. He is a guy that could be great, but it will be up to him. Tannehill, could be great, but it is up to him. No guarantees anywhere on the board. Hell, even Luck is no sure thing (Leaf).

I don't agree with you in that we will be worse this year than last. The players played hard (in the 2nd half of the season), and the majority of those guys are still with the team, especially the defense. New coaches also bring a new attitude, unless Philbin is a complete boob, which I don't think he is. Sherman is also a good coach.

To play along with your Barkley fascination, I read this earlier -- "Blow for Barkley." Thought it was kind of humerous. <g>

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I think the word is that you take "the best player
> available at a position of need."
>
> Tannehill does not fit that description because
> Weeden is better than him.
>
> Weeden is older but better.
>
> Moreover, if you look at the fact that the need
> for a breakaway receiver is great, then you might
> even question whether quarterback is RIGHT NOW a
> position of greater need.
>
> The funny thing about the idea we should draft
> Tannehill NOW is predicated on the assumption that
> in drafting other positions, we will continue to
> suck but for the life of me I can't figure out
> that if we draft Andrew Luck without any o-line
> support or without a receiver to throw to or
> without a defense that can stop people from simply
> outscoring us like they outscored Matt Moore, how
> people figure we will be SuperBowl Bound with
> Tannehill.

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ChyrenB, I agree, that Miami must take the best player available at a position of need. Miami has been searching for that franchise QB since Marino retired, and have been extremely poor at doing so. In fact, for many years, they really didn't concentrate on trying to get an upgrade at QB, instead, drafting OL or DLine. Where has that gotten them? Long is the only one who was worth picking that high, and in the process, many will argue that despite Long's greatness, Matt Ryan should have been the pick.

So, along with drafting those OL guys, Miami has also signed FAs and those out on the street, and again, have really gotten no where; the OL is still in flux, especially the right side.

Weeden may be better than Tannehill; there are different reports on that, where Weeden has the stronger arm (in fact, I've heard he has the strongest arm of everyone in the draft), but his age puts him back. Younger age, and he is right there in the top 15 picks. If Miami does not get Tannehill, will Weeden be there with their 2nd round pick? I highly doubt it.

Breakaway receiver -- Miami has one: Gates. Hopefully with a year under his belt and under this new system, he can finally be that downfield guy. However, Philbin has said this over and over -- his WCO does not require a #1 guy, so going for a WR with pick #8 is not in Miami's plans. I'm sure a WR will be picked with one of Miami's two 3rd rounders.

Is gonna be fun ... really glad we haven't tipped our hand, and hope the cards fall our way.

I think at # 8 we'll have a chance at a quality player that will help this team. We need to get a few of them. Having a 2nd and 2 3rds will also be a help this year.

Not wetting my pants over whether we get Tannehill or not.

I expect we'll draft a QB in one of the top 3 picks and that the team will get better this year because we have a coach that is going to be a real upgrade.

Hopefully when we see a fist pump it will be more often due to just scoring a TD

captkoi Wrote:
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>
> To play along with your Barkley fascination, I
> read this earlier -- "Blow for Barkley." Thought
> it was kind of humerous.


I agree about blow for barkley!

Disagree about blow barkley though.

Two different scenarios.

No smoke screen.

Tannehill will be a Brown at #4.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Got an inside scoop, A & O?

captkoi Wrote:
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> Philbin has said this over and over
> -- his WCO does not require a #1 guy

The deep threat isn't the #1 guy in the WCO, but they're definitely important. Remember John Taylor with the 49ers?

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Got an inside scoop, A & O?


&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Yeah, actually I do.

Here is the scoop, teams have realized that Tannehill is the real deal and a real franchise QB.

A team with a QB need (Cleveland) will not let Tannehill slid by them.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

let the browns take him, pushes a top guy farther down to us. what we should not do is trade up to #3 to get this guy, if he's there at #8, go ahead and take him. i can't see KC or SEA trading ahead of us, SEA got flynn and if he doesn't work out you know that Carroll would love to get his USC guy barkley next year, not trade up this year for tannehill after giving flynn at the $$. As for KC, I don't see them trading up either.

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