2012 Mock Draft V1.0


8) Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M

42) Shea McCellin, OLB Boise State

73) Brian Quick, WR Appalachian State

74) Michael Egnew, TE Missouri


Remaining draft order to be determined

This gives the Phins a "franchise" QB, pass rusher, and two big redzone targets.

love tannehill at 8!

"It's been fun to get the reaction of visiting coaches to the color of their locker room. Most don't notice it, but those that do are in trouble. . . . When I talk to an opposing coach before a game and he mentions the pink walls, I know I've got him. I can't recall a coach who has stirred up a fuss about the color and then beat us.” Hayden Fry

May good fortune save us from drafting Tannehill at no. 8.

But I'm afraid that people like you guys [fans all over Miami] have probably intimated Ross and Ireland and screamed about getting a new QB (even though Moore wasn't THAT BAD) so much that FOR POLITICAL REASONS they probably will draft Tannehill at 8. If for nothing else, to save their own butts for a little while. I say a "little while" because when he turns into an absolute disaster not only will people like me condemn them but, hypocritically, you guys will moan, "We haven't had a good QB since Marino."

Just chill, go with Moore, take a flyer on Weeden and if it doesn't work out look ahead to Barkley next year or some other college QB that comes out of nowhere like RGIII.

Go back to the first mock drafts of this year. Where was Tannehill? What football has he played since then that should change that?

Get a grip! He's a fifth option. That doesn't make him a "fifth alternative" but a "fifth choice." That doesn't make him as good as the first choice.

We need to add a playmaking WR & a TE, and a safety in the first 4 rounds more than a QB with a years experience. We have no guys that can get separation

Watch out for Greg Childs, Joe Adams & Rishard Matthews

Gil Brandt said watch out for a Rishard Matthews jumping up the charts
Said Matthews really blew his socks off. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.44 and 4.48 seconds, with 10-3 broad jump. Scouts said it was as good a workout as they’ve seen from a receiver. Could now be a second-round pick.

Actually, Clyde Gates can get separation all day, but do we have a QB that can get him the ball, and can he catch it? THAT's the question.

Victor

Stephen Ross addressing Tannehill's jersey #: "Hope one day we can retire this jersey."

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jlyell13 Wrote:
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> We need to add a playmaking WR & a TE, and a
> safety in the first 4 rounds more than a QB with a
> years experience. ....

My mock only covers the first 3 rounds of the draft...but, I would have seriously considered a safety in the 4th round.

Adding a relentless pass rusher is our greatest need on defense. You don't stop Tommy Brady with a safety.

In adding receivers for a West Coast offense, were not necessarily looking for speed guys...but, smart route runners who can be open even if they are not open...and make yards after the catch.

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> May good fortune save us from drafting Tannehill
> at no. 8...

Ideally, we could trade down a couple spots and still draft Tannehill.

I'm not a fan of the QB position like most on this board. However, after watching video footage of Tannehill play the game, it's clear that he is a top tier QB.

He has the advantage of being a former WR. He has excellent footwork, timing, and a quick release. He has a will run wildcat type of plays. He has excellent knowledge of our offensive system with the Sherman connection.

Of course, Tannehill does need to be NFL seasoned. He needs to add more deception to his quiver...to cut down on the INT's.

He is an excellent match for our new offensive system. It is a system that requires a quick read and quick ball release. Having good footwork in the pocket is a priority for getting the ball out quickly through the passing lanes with accuracy.

Wildcat???????? I'll be shocked if this coaching staff EVER runs a single wildcat play.

WR's are worthless if they can't get separation, and catch the ball, unless you have a Dan marino that can thread the needle. Niners season ended, even with the the best D in football because WR's had 1 reception in the championship game and made critical turnovers. If they had WR's that could get open they would have won. Imagine a healthy Ted Ginn could have been the difference, although as mentioned you have to catch it!

Gates couldn't get much playing time last year, so someone didn't think he could beat out the others for some reason. Hopefully this is the year. WR's often take 2-3 years to develop

We really don't know if Tannehill can do anything more than Moore. That will be a tough decision unless Cleveland takes him at 4. Some mocks have Blackmon available at 8.I actually like Fleener better as he provides compable athletic ability, but will be matching up against LB's , a much more difficult assignment. Just look at Gronkowski, and he doesnt run a 4.4 40.

Agreed a pass rusher makes a difference, an DL helps the secondary

Do we still have the cap to sign Anderson? Is there a JPP like pass rusher worth taking at 8? Coples, Upshaw? Perry?

I thinking, if we took Fleener we could wait to the 3rd -5th to take a WR and take a Bruce Irvin or Vinny Curry early and maybe Chris Rainey Joe Adams Ty Hilton quick slot receiver later. Ryn Broyles might drop due to his injury


Hopefully we have a better draft than we have in recent years

Bob,

I have to agree with everything Jim has said. Since we have two mediocre veterans with contracts lasting only through next year, it is very clear that we will draft the "quarterback of the future" this year.

For this reason, I have wasted several hours reviewing Tannehill footage. I came away very impressed. I am beginning to think that we didn't sign Flynn because Philbin and Sherman concluded that Tannehill has a much bigger upside. Despite the fact that he has only started 19 games as a quarterback, he is well-versed in our system and thus, in many ways, he is more prepared for the job than Moore and Garrard.

We have to draft one this year and he is clearly the best fit. We will know more following his pro day this Thursday. I expect that the Dolphins will be there in numbers. Even if they play it coy, I am convinced now that they will draft Tannehill even more than I was certain they would draft Pouncey last year.

1. Tannehill
2. Orson Charles
3. Chris Givens
4. Marvin McNutt


This is how the draft will play out.

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dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Wildcat???????? I'll be shocked if this coaching
> staff EVER runs a single wildcat play.

If you have watched any game video of Tannehill's, the one thing that Sherman (our current offensive coach) throws at the other team is MANY formations. Of which, the wildcat is certainly used.

Most NFL teams now have a wildcat package. It is seldom used...but it still has a place in the NFL.

Wildcat is dead in Miami. We didnt even use it last year. What makes anybody in the world think we will use it under Philbin?

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Drop down with Pats

Fleener
Tannehill, Weeden, or Cousins
Andre Branch, Whitney Mercilus, Bruce Irvin, or Zach Brown - Pass rusher
George Iloka, Harrison Smith or Antonio Allen - Best avail S
Chris Givens, Joe Adams, Marvin McNutt, Greg Childs, Marvin Jones -
Best avail WR weapon

Add OL depth or another WR in 4-5, Best avail 6-7

Jim B Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Wildcat???????? I'll be shocked if this
> coaching
> > staff EVER runs a single wildcat play.
>
> If you have watched any game video of Tannehill's,
> the one thing that Sherman (our current offensive
> coach) throws at the other team is MANY
> formations. Of which, the wildcat is certainly
> used.
>
> Most NFL teams now have a wildcat package. It is
> seldom used...but it still has a place in the NFL.

If Sherman ran it at A & M, and Tannehill was his starting QB, can that really be considered the wildcat???????? Like I said, I'll be shocked if Philbin/Sherman ever run a true wildcat formation.

I find it amazing that there is talk that tannehill could go at 4 or 8 and people are still talking about taking him the 2d round or at like #30 of the 1st

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I find it amazing that there is talk that
> tannehill could go at 4 or 8 and people are still
> talking about taking him the 2d round or at like
> #30 of the 1st


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Okay, Jonathan, but let's assume EVERYTHING you say is correct. But footage, particularly if he does not play against TOP COLLEGE COMPETITION, as did Weeden at Oklahoma State which was rated in the Top 5 all year, of college players against other college players, which is really coaches against coaches, does not translate directly to the pro game.

So let's say that we don't draft Tannehill, or for that matter even Weeden, who knows? Around the NFL, most teams have stocked up on young quarterbacks in the last few drafts.

Assuming there are no Denvers and NYJs willing to dump those QBs, and praying someone else takes Tannehill, what if we find ourselves with very little competition for Barkley next year.

We might not even have to "Barf for Barkley."

What do you say about that?

If you think of it, Sherman was the coach that ranked Tannehill third on his college team behind Jerrod Johnson & Stephen McGee. Will he admit he was wrong, nothing has changed with his evaluation and in no way make him a first round pick?

Yes, Jlyell. Precisely. What I wonder is how it would come out if we cross-reference all those people willing to call Ryan Mallett a bust because he's sitting on the bench behind Brady to see if they are are the same ones who think Tannehill is so great.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2012 02:29PM by ChyrenB.

Look, this TEAM HAS to get serious about a long term solution at QB. Will Tannehill be a franchise QB? IDK. Will he be a bust? IDK. But a lot of people who are supposed to know about these things think he's pretty good. Now I know, I know, those are the same folks who thought Jamarcus Russell was pretty good. Of course they ALSO thought Peyton Manning was pretty good. No one can tell for sure but that doesn't mean you don't roll the dice when you got 'em. So he ends up a bust. How are we worse off? In the last 8 years we have used three first round picks on offensive linemen. In that time we are 55-71 and, save for the one year Pennington managed to stay healthy haven't sniffed the playoffs OR been ranked above the bottom half of the NFL in offense. Offense may START with the line but in the NFL it ENDS with the QB. We don't have one and until we get serious (i.e. take some chances, be willing to pay a little more, etc) we'll NEVER have one. That means MORE mediocrity.

Great post KB.

Chyren, where has the FO said that Tannehill is the fifth choice?

Manning was #1, RGIII #2, then Tannehill. He is our third choice and the first two were pipe dreams. Maybe the FO has been targeting Tannehill all along and that's why we didn't want to give Flynn big money. Just because the draft is after FA doesn't mean your draft pick is your last choice.

KB Wrote:
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> Look, this TEAM HAS to get serious about a long
> term solution at QB. Will Tannehill be a
> franchise QB? IDK. Will he be a bust? IDK. But
> a lot of people who are supposed to know about
> these things think he's pretty good. Now I know,
> I know, those are the same folks who thought
> Jamarcus Russell was pretty good. Of course they
> ALSO thought Peyton Manning was pretty good. No
> one can tell for sure but that doesn't mean you
> don't roll the dice when you got 'em. So he ends
> up a bust. How are we worse off? In the last 8
> years we have used three first round picks on
> offensive linemen. In that time we are 55-71 and,
> save for the one year Pennington managed to stay
> healthy haven't sniffed the playoffs OR been
> ranked above the bottom half of the NFL in
> offense. Offense may START with the line but in
> the NFL it ENDS with the QB. We don't have one
> and until we get serious (i.e. take some chances,
> be willing to pay a little more, etc) we'll NEVER
> have one. That means MORE mediocrity.

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There are no sure things in the NFL draft. Over the last few seasons, the only shot we had at a "franchise" QB was Matt Ryan, which Miami passed on to draft Jake Long. Ryan has played very well, but has yet to take his team to the promised land, and in fact, has not put himself into the top echelon of QBs.

Long has been great, but Miami still does not have that franchise QB. Miami is finally back in a position to get one. Do they roll the dice and stay at 8 and hope Tannehill falls to them, or do they trade up?

Tannehill goes at 4 (Cleveland), so Miami now trades down. Do they take a chance on Weeden, or get the best available then hope Weeden falls to them in the 2nd round?

Regardless, Miami HAS to draft a QB and hope he "is the one."

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> Great post KB.
>
> Chyren, where has the FO said that Tannehill is
> the fifth choice?
>
> Manning was #1, RGIII #2, then Tannehill. He is
> our third choice and the first two were pipe
> dreams. Maybe the FO has been targeting Tannehill
> all along and that's why we didn't want to give
> Flynn big money. Just because the draft is after
> FA doesn't mean your draft pick is your last
> choice.

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It's a mixed bag on Flynn, dolphin.

I believe Miami is targeting Tannehill, thinking Flynn is a good, not great, QB, and brought him in to find out what his asking price was. Miami may have signed him if the price was right, but evidently, it wasn't, and I applaud Miami, as I have been saying all along that I hope they don't overpay for this guy.

Again, besides Manning, there were no other FA QBs worth going after.

I agree, we have to actually start drafting QB's if we want to find one. Tanehilll has the skills, the arm, the mobility, and all of the intangables, what he lacks is experience. I don't care if he sits for a year behind Moore or who ever it is we have as long as he learns and develops as a QB. That way he'll have a shot at being really good when he plays.

Drafting Tannehill at #8 if he's still there is a no brainer, IMHO. Just the same as drafting Wheeden would be if he's still there in the secound round...I just don't think he will be. IMHO, He'll be taken between 20 and 32.

We simply can't continue to overlook QB's in the draft...we have to draft one...or two, every single draft until we find our long term solution.

captkoi Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look, this TEAM HAS to get serious about a long
> > term solution at QB. Will Tannehill be a
> > franchise QB? IDK. Will he be a bust? IDK.
> But
> > a lot of people who are supposed to know about
> > these things think he's pretty good. Now I
> know,
> > I know, those are the same folks who thought
> > Jamarcus Russell was pretty good. Of course
> they
> > ALSO thought Peyton Manning was pretty good.
> No
> > one can tell for sure but that doesn't mean you
> > don't roll the dice when you got 'em. So he
> ends
> > up a bust. How are we worse off? In the last
> 8
> > years we have used three first round picks on
> > offensive linemen. In that time we are 55-71
> and,
> > save for the one year Pennington managed to
> stay
> > healthy haven't sniffed the playoffs OR been
> > ranked above the bottom half of the NFL in
> > offense. Offense may START with the line but
> in
> > the NFL it ENDS with the QB. We don't have one
> > and until we get serious (i.e. take some
> chances,
> > be willing to pay a little more, etc) we'll
> NEVER
> > have one. That means MORE mediocrity.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>
> There are no sure things in the NFL draft. Over
> the last few seasons, the only shot we had at a
> "franchise" QB was Matt Ryan, which Miami passed
> on to draft Jake Long. Ryan has played very well,
> but has yet to take his team to the promised land,
> and in fact, has not put himself into the top
> echelon of QBs.
>
> Long has been great, but Miami still does not have
> that franchise QB. Miami is finally back in a
> position to get one. Do they roll the dice and
> stay at 8 and hope Tannehill falls to them, or do
> they trade up?
>
> Tannehill goes at 4 (Cleveland), so Miami now
> trades down. Do they take a chance on Weeden, or
> get the best available then hope Weeden falls to
> them in the 2nd round?
>
> Regardless, Miami HAS to draft a QB and hope he
> "is the one."

The Ryan wiff still makes me kringe. I wouldn't call him 'elite' either, but he helped his team. The Falcons had NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Now they've had 4 of them and two playoff appearances in those four years. At this point I'd settle for that.

Bob,

First off, I am not so certain that Barkley is a better prospect than Tannehill, but let's say that he is and the Dolphins prefer to wait another year to select him. In that case, you run the risk, although slight, that he has a major injury. Furthermore, if Barkley is good as you suspect, then he will go early and, as evidenced this year, it will cost a king's ransome to go up and get him. Even if the Dolphins tanked the season, it would have been yet another year without a future quarterback prospect and one that would further depleat the fan base and ticket and merchandise sales.

Therefore if Sherman believes Tannehill can be a franchise quarterback then I say pick him at 8.

believe me nothing the phins are doing is with an eye towards next year's draft. barkley is the #1 overall and if we are planning on drafting him. then ireland will be fired after finishing last and philbin will be on thin ice too

Barkley is a franchise QB, as good as Luck. Luck's dad even stated this. Much better than Sanchez. Tannehill is a major unproven.

In the end ther Tannehill decision will be the same as with Flynn. If we feel he is, he will be selected, if not, he will go in round two unless someone moves up to get him

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> Great post KB.
>
> Chyren, where has the FO said that Tannehill is
> the fifth choice?
>
> Manning was #1, RGIII #2, then Tannehill. He is
> our third choice and the first two were pipe
> dreams. Maybe the FO has been targeting Tannehill
> all along and that's why we didn't want to give
> Flynn big money. Just because the draft is after
> FA doesn't mean your draft pick is your last
> choice.

Took the words right out of mouth.