if tannehill is there at 8 would you want to take him? not me, I prefer this.
my ideal draft:
trade down to the 15-20 range to a team that really wants coples, ingram, richardson, reiff, luke kechley or someone else who drops. one of those will be there and I can see a team wanting to trade up for them. In the process give up our 4th round pick and get a 2d rounder in return (similar to the chargers trade down of 2 yrs ago).
at 15-20 take coby fleener. he won't last any later than that. gives us our Gronk seam threat we haven't had since Keith Jackson.
with one of our 2s (the later one) and one of our 3s (the earlier one), trade back into the late first and get weedon.
with our remaining 2d take marvin mcnutt.
with our remaning 3d take best d player available
with rest of draft, take BPA, with a focus on D or OL or WR.

to me this is very realistic and an excellent haul. much better than tannehill at 8 who will do nothing for us this year or maybe even next. weedon is more impressive IMO and ready much sooner. we can fill any OL issues we still have with vet FAs or resign Carey.

thoughts?

Why would Weeden be ready much sooner? He has played in a system that has proven to not translate well to the NFL. Guys like Josh Heupel, Graham Harrell, and Tim Couch have excelled in the same offense that Weeden has succeeded in. I'm not sure I can think of any college "Air Raid Offense" QB who has come into the NFL and had success. The transition from that system to the NFL has never been easy. Meanwhile Tannehill has spent 4 years playing in Mike Sherman's offense.

We are so done this season. I didn't think so until I saw the AFC East other Teams off season moves.

I think he'd be ready soon bc of his age (also a negative but a positive here) and the fact that tannehill has only 1.5 years at QB in college. JMO, I could be wrong

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> We are so done this season. I didn't think so
> until I saw the AFC East other Teams off season
> moves.


I remember reading this same thing on this board last because the Pats signed Ochocinco and Haynesworth, let's at least wait till training camp chicken little.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I think he'd be ready soon bc of his age (also a
> negative but a positive here) and the fact that
> tannehill has only 1.5 years at QB in college.
> JMO, I could be wrong


1.5 years as the starter in college. But, he competed for the QB job all 4 years. Weeden's age might mean he is more mature, but Tannehill's maturity isn't an issue. And his age won't help him transition to an NFL offense or reading NFL defenses.

Weeden is not a WCO QB. He has almost no mobility.

Terrible, terrible, terrible fit in our system.

I like Weedon, I actually like him a lot. Just not on our team and in our offense.

It WILL NOT work.

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I had never heard that Weedon could not play in the WCO. If true then I guess it will be Tannehill after all, at least we know he can play in Sherman's offense. I am just not at all into taking him in the top 10 of the draft---he is not that good

Well Gil Brandt thinks he is the #7 overall prospect, what do you make of that Berk?

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I know you didn't ask me A&O, but I don't think Tannehill will be available at number 8. Just a hunch that I have.

I saw one mock draft having Tannehill as going at number 4 to Cleveland.

I hope that's true. But then again, I'm against drafting Tannehill.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Well Gil Brandt thinks he is the #7 overall
> prospect, what do you make of that Berk?


That gives me pause bc Brandt is really smart. But I can't see tanhill being nfl ready for a year or 2 so if we draft him we could suck this year and we'd need to sit out next years qb draft which has Barkley etc and still not know if we have a franchise qb

I think if we were smart enough to pass on Flynn who played w/ Philbin we will be smart enough to pass on Tannehill. I think the people who are deer in the headlights smitten with him have not seen him play. To me he is not better than Mallet or Ponder from last years draft.

Mallett is behind Brian Hoyer on the depth chart, can we please put the Mallett talk to rest?

He is a bust. Just like I said he would.

The Truth, Treasure, an a couple others disagreed and thought he was the next Marino.

The guy can't even beat out Brian Hoyer. He sucks.

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mizzou15 Wrote:
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> I think if we were smart enough to pass on Flynn
> who played w/ Philbin we will be smart enough to
> pass on Tannehill. I think the people who are deer
> in the headlights smitten with him have not seen
> him play. To me he is not better than Mallet or
> Ponder from last years draft.


Well, he's a much better athlete than either. Mallet has lousy footwork. And Ponder has very questionable arm strength.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> From an interview with Brandt. And even Omar Kelly
> noticed all the drops by Texas A&M's receivers
> this year.
>
> Appearing today on the Fox and Bull on 92.3 Gil
> Brandt spoke glowingly about Ryan Tannehill and
> was lukewarm about giving up a lot of high picks
> for RG3. He thinks RG3 is going to be a good
> football player but that giving up potentially 3
> first round picks for him would be tough to take.
> He went on to say that Mike Holmgren is one of the
> best judges of qb talent. Brandt then said you
> can keep all the picks and draft Tannehill with
> the 4th pick of the draft and be pretty well
> satisfied. Brandt said Tannehill can flat out
> play and has tremendous potential. He pointed out
> that Tannehill was the only qb in history to beat
> Nebraska Oklahoma and Texas in the same year and
> he only played 6 games at qb that year (his junior
> season). He also said Tannehill's receivers had
> 64 drops this year which impacted his stats. In
> comparing RG3 and Tannehill he said RG3 was
> blitzed 70 times on 3rd down and was sacked 6
> times. Tannehill was blitzed 140 times on 3rd
> down and was only sacked 2 times.

Interesting Dolfanmark...

If you pass on Richardson, then you need to pack your things with Ireland and leave town too.

It Depends who is avalable at 8. IF Blackmon is still on the board. I would like to get him... If Clairborne or Richardson are available it would be hard to pass on any of them... ALthough I am against drafting a RB that high. I dont value them that high, nor do I think it is a pressing need (Daniel THomas, Reggie Bush, Slaton), if Richardson is available, I would assume oversell the pick to someone that really wants him and is willing to overpay for the pick to lock him down...
If all of those guys are gone, I would assume trade down at that point, unless a Superstar OLB is still available, if we draft Perry at 8 I will be pissed...
On Tannehill, I would just not be happy that the Dolphins dont draft a QB in the first RD in 25 years, and when we do it is Tannehill... That would be depressing to me......

Ben Volin ? @BenVolinPBP
RT @gregcosell: Tannehill threw w/anticipation. Poised w/downfield focus. May have best pocket command + mobility in class.

The Tannehill train is starting to pick up steam, if Cleveland passes on this guy, i'll be shocked if we dont get him.

do not trade up for tannehill under any circumstance. if cle takes him at 4, great, it will push a top guy down to us at 8 for us to take, or even better trade down. if tannehill is there at 8, fine, take him, based on gil brandt's word alone. however, something is fishy here----brandt is a big time texas cheerleader, makes me think he is pumping up a local kid for reasons beyond just his on field play. regardless, trading up for tannehill is asinine. we are in a good spot at 8 to take him, or pick up more picks if cle takes him.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> if tannehill is there at 8 would you want to take
> him? not me, I prefer this.
> my ideal draft:
> trade down to the 15-20 range to a team that
> really wants coples, ingram, richardson, reiff,
> luke kechley or someone else who drops. one of
> those will be there and I can see a team wanting
> to trade up for them. In the process give up our
> 4th round pick and get a 2d rounder in return
> (similar to the chargers trade down of 2 yrs
> ago).
> at 15-20 take coby fleener. he won't last any
> later than that. gives us our Gronk seam threat we
> haven't had since Keith Jackson.
> with one of our 2s (the later one) and one of our
> 3s (the earlier one), trade back into the late
> first and get weedon.
> with our remaining 2d take marvin mcnutt.
> with our remaning 3d take best d player available
> with rest of draft, take BPA, with a focus on D or
> OL or WR.
>
> to me this is very realistic and an excellent
> haul. much better than tannehill at 8 who will do
> nothing for us this year or maybe even next.
> weedon is more impressive IMO and ready much
> sooner. we can fill any OL issues we still have
> with vet FAs or resign Carey.
>
> thoughts?

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First thing is that I would NOT draft a TE with my first round pick. Teams that are pretty well set with their squads have that luxury; the Fins do not. Besides, Fasano can handle the TE position, and they are hoping that Clay can fill that role to get down the seam.

As far as Tannehill goes: we must remember, it depends on how highly rated the Dolphins brass thinks of him. If he is that "can't miss, franchise" guy, then the Fins will do whatever it takes to get him. If not, then I go back to my original draft plan, which is to trade back (no lower than 15) and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. It's possible that Miami could then trade one of those 2nd rounders, and possibly one of the 3rd, to move back up to get Weeden, again, IF they have a solid conviction on him.

It is a strong possibility that Cleveland is going to take Tannehill at 4. So, does Miami take a chance that Cleveland is bluffing and remain at 8 and grab Tannehill, or do they go in another direction?

We must remember that because of Marshall and Bell, Miami now has a couple of more holes that they need to fill that they didn't have just a short time ago. So trading back and getting more picks may be the way to go.

Not so sure about your comment that Tannehill will do nothing for Miami this year, and maybe even next year. If Tannehill does not start (sometime) this year, then he will next year, if he is what the Fins' brain trust thinks he is.

Weeden may not be ready this year, either. And if he has to sit, then that is another year off his football age. Anyone who grabs Weeden needs to start him this year.

captkoi Wrote:
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> First thing is that I would NOT draft a TE with my
> first round pick. Teams that are pretty well set
> with their squads have that luxury;

EXACTLY Yet some around here want to draft like we're New England; a competitive, successful team with the high impact positions in good shape.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Ben Volin ? @BenVolinPBP
> RT @gregcosell: Tannehill threw w/anticipation.
> Poised w/downfield focus. May have best pocket
> command + mobility in class.


Let me start by saying this, anyone that makes a statement that Tannehill has the best pocket command and mobility in the class, with a guy like Luck, and the mobility of RG3... They are really really reaching and lose major credibilty by trying to sell that line of bullsh*t to their readers.... Come on now, RG3 is an amazing athlete, amazing feet and quickness, the guy ran what a 4.4 40 as QB... And Luck clearly has the best pocket command....
Shoot me if we draft Tannehill in the 1st rd...

I don't think TE is a luxury position any more. TEs are a central part of offenses today.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
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> -----
> > Ben Volin ? @BenVolinPBP
> > RT @gregcosell: Tannehill threw w/anticipation.
> > Poised w/downfield focus. May have best pocket
> > command + mobility in class.
>
>
> Let me start by saying this, anyone that makes a
> statement that Tannehill has the best pocket
> command and mobility in the class, with a guy like
> Luck, and the mobility of RG3... They are really
> really reaching and lose major credibilty by
> trying to sell that line of bullsh*t to their
> readers.... Come on now, RG3 is an amazing
> athlete, amazing feet and quickness, the guy ran
> what a 4.4 40 as QB... And Luck clearly has the
> best pocket command....
> Shoot me if we draft Tannehill in the 1st rd...

You know who Greg Cosell is Crowder? He does nothing but breaks down films for the NFL matchup show, guy probably watches and breaks down more film then anybody else on the face of this planet.
I listen to him every Thursday morning on Sirius NFL radio, he does not promote certain players or teams, he simply breaks down film and reports certain trends good/bad as he sees fit. I trust his opinion way more then anyone on this board and probably more then any other so called "expert" (including Gil Brandt).
If he's says this guy has the tools, i'm drinking the kool-aid

Quote:

"----brandt is a big time texas cheerleader, makes me think he is pumping up a local kid for reasons beyond just his on field play."


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So you think Gil Brandt, the legendary Gil Brandt would be willing to sacrifice his credibility just because a guy is from Texas?

I mean, its not like Brandt is just saying Tannehill will be good, no, Gil Brandt is saying that Ryan Tannehill will be a "Star, Franchise-QB".

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Yes I follow Greg Cosell and a hundred other top scouts and NFL insiders on twitter...
Not to many are as drunk on Tannehill as a few... Maybe he is the next Tom Brady, I just dont believe so, but I am surely not Greg Cosell or Gil BRandt.
Tannehill has only played the QB position for really a year and a half in college, He played WR in college for most of 2.5 years of his college career. Although he tried out for the QB position ever year...
He has problems making the reads... He has had very few college snaps, even reps in practice and reads on defenses...... you know experience and development. I am not arguing the guy is an athlete, but he needs alot, and who knows how he will develop. This guy is raw and unproven, he is not a #8 pick in the draft IMO... and surely not ready to start in the NFL...
But you can go on, and just read some guys columns or tweets who might have some reasons for being strong on the guy... and take them as Gospel.
If you type in just Tannehill's last name in google, the first thing to come up is Greg Cosell...lol...
Like I said if we draft Tannehill #8 just shoot me now...lol



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Well with all due respect Crowder, I'll take his opinion over yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.