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> > > > > RGIII, well the latest guess is that St.
> > > Louis
> > > > is
> > > > > asking for a 1st and 2nd this year, and a
> > 1st
> > > > and
> > > > > 3rd next year...as an preliminary entry
> > level
> > > > > offer...no thanks. Even Marino, great as
> he
> > > > was,
> > > > > was not worth that much.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you wouldn't trade a pair of #1's, a #2
> > and
> > > a
> > > > #3 over a 2 year span for a Hall of Fame
> QB
> > > you
> > > > need to start watching another sport.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Was that a serious statement????? Were you
> > > actually being serious?
> > >
> > > Ok lets see here, two 1st round picks, one
> 2nd
> > > round pick, and one 3rd round pick. Let's
> refer
> > > back to our draft history and see how that
> > shakes
> > > out.....
> > >
> > > ......Ok got it:
> > >
> > > Yeah the best passer of all time is
> definitely
> > not
> > > worth 1)Jared Odrick, 3)John Jerry, 1)Vontae
> > > Davis, and 2)Pat White. Or Jason Allen, Derek
> > > Hagan, Teg Ginn Jr., and John Beck. Yeah
> those
> > > guys are IRRE-FREAKIN-PLACEABLE!! Seriously,
> > how
> > > can you say that a lousy small handful of
> picks
> > is
> > > more valuable than Dan Marino? DAN MARINO! I
> > mean
> > > really! In fact, even if those picks were all
> > > STUDS, I STILL would do the trade to get Dan
> > > Marino in a nanosecond!
> > >
> > > I mean, thats got to be the silliest thing
> I've
> > > ever read on this website (Miami Thunder's
> full
> > > resume' included)
> > >
> > > An elite, PROLIFIC franchise Quarterback will
> > > always be worth more than a really good
> corner,
> > a
> > > pro-bowl guard, a good receiver, and a solid
> > DE.
> > > ALWAYS!
> >
> >
> > RE: How the Phins have drafted in the past with
> > similar picks means nothing...
> >
> > Worth more huh? Tell that to the list of non
> > franchise QB's that have won superbowls. Guy's,
> I
> > do get the point here a franchise guy is a very
> > desirable thing to have especially in todays
> NFL.
> > They don't grow on trees and if we can get one
> we
> > should. However I simply think the price of
> moving
> > up will be too great versus the reward of a
> single
> > player...especially since there are ZERO
> > gurantee's the one we choose is going to be
> great.
> > I'd be much more comfortable going into 2012
> with
> > Flynn, Moore, and Tannehill, than I would be
> with
> > Moore, Griffin, and JP Losman or Devlin, or ?
> >
> > Super Bowl XV - Jim Plunkett
> > Super Bowl XVIII - Jim Plunkett
> > Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
> > Super Bowl XXI - Phil Simms
> > Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
> > Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
> > Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
> > Super Bowl XXXIV - Kurt Warner
> > Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
> > Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
>
> Kurt Warner and Phil Simms are both border line
> Hall of Fame QB's.
RE: Simms was a slightly above average player that happened to be on a good team...if he gets in the HOF then so be it but there are a few HOF fame QB's that the term franchise does not really apply to.
>
> They are clearly "franchise" or (especially) in
> Warner's case even "elite" Qb's.
RE: I few seasons does not make you elite QB. Warner played 12 seasons and only 6 of them were good or great...and only four of those were world class efforts. Very good to be sure, but elite, bit of a stretch, IMHO.
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> So that's 7 QB's to win Super bowls that weren't
> franchise QB's in 46 Super bowls.
>
> 2 in the last 20 years.
>
> Seems to me that argues in favor of finding a
> franchise guy no matter what the cost, not against
> it.
RE: I'm not saying we shouldn't try to find one...we should, but we shouldn't over pay for him. The point is that in the history of the superbowl there have been zero franchise QB's that won titles with an average/below average team around them. There have been a few very average QB's however that won titles.