does that make us better than the New England Patriots as far as the best team in the AFC East. To me it would, and we would clearly be better than them because we have more talent on defense. Not to mention, but we would also have the best reciever in the division when he is motivated to play with a star QB like Manning. Do you guys agree if we sign Manning would then become the hunted instead of the hunters. Now all this depends on his health, and his ability to play up to his previous level of course.

Can't claim to be the best, until the goal of winning the division is reached. We would be the hunters, looking to win for a change. There's no pedestal for this team to be knocked down from...yet.

With the savvy Manning as QB I can see this team being very competitive, at least being a wildcard and making the playoffs.

Not sure I agree with your assessement as having Manning gives us long lacking legitimacy. That has sorely been missing from this once proud franchise since the glory days of Mr. Marino.

Manning would add legitimacy to win now, but it won't last long. This team still needs a younger QB to groom because he's not a long term solution.

Would be awesome if we sign payton manning and he could last 2 years without injuries......IMO It would make us instant contenders...

Question is can he last that long without getting injured?

Yes, THAT'S the question. Basically, it's Russian roulette. That's why I don't wanna play.

100% agreed that we would be the best team in our division. We obviously would have to prove it first by winning but I would go to Vegas and lay down $1000 MIA wins superbowl if I seen a healthy Manning at practice and he looked good.

At practice only?

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Yes, THAT'S the question. Basically, it's Russian
> roulette. That's why I don't wanna play.


And i do not want to play either. Nice to think about it but definetely a risk.

yes if we are getting 2007 payton manning which we are not. instead we are getting 36 year old manning who has been out 1 season and is still injured and may never recover his arm strength. if not 100% healthy he's probably a downgrade from matt moore, more like pennington after his 5th shoulder injury---smart but can't throw.

Hi Dol-Phan,

If Manning is on the Dolphins and he looks good in practice I will take that bet.

IMHO, that would be like me taking candy from a blind person with no hands.

INHO, if we got Payton in his prime, we would still be a long shot to win it all. We would have a much better chance, but we would still be looking at at least 15 to 1 odds - probably like 25 or 35 to 1.

how many SBs did the colts make with payton in his prime (2 winning just 1)? and those teams had more talent than us----harrison, wayne, edge, clark, etc. our D may be better than those teams but our offence can't compare. So how does adding an older hurt manning make us SB contenders?

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> how many SBs did the colts make with payton in his
> prime (2 winning just 1)? and those teams had more
> talent than us----harrison, wayne, edge, clark,
> etc. our D may be better than those teams but our
> offence can't compare. So how does adding an older
> hurt manning make us SB contenders?

They never had an elite defense, and defense is what truly wins championships.

Yeah, but defense can't win championships without offense. Da Bears had Walter Peyton, many people are inclined to forget.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> how many SBs did the colts make with payton in his
> prime (2 winning just 1)? and those teams had more
> talent than us----harrison, wayne, edge, clark,
> etc. our D may be better than those teams but our
> offence can't compare. So how does adding an older
> hurt manning make us SB contenders?


Manning was worth 8-10 wins a year for the Colts.

If he's worth HALF that to us we are a 10+ win team.

That's a super bowl contender.

Maybe he gets there...maybe he doesn't heath-wise.

Only one way to find out...

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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> > Manning was worth 8-10 wins a year for the
> Colts.
> >
> > If he's worth HALF that to us we are a 10+ win
> > team.
> >
> > That's a super bowl contender.
>
> CORRECTION!!!!! A healthy Manning prior to the
> injury that sidelined him for the whole season
> last year was worth 8 to 10 wins a year to the
> Colts, which means that with his team and all of
> its strengths, which is not OUR team and all of
> its weaknesses.
>
> >
> > Maybe he gets there...maybe he doesn't
> > heath-wise.
> >
> > Only one way to find out...
>
> That may be like playing a poker game with the
> mortgage or rent money.

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A HEALTHY Peyton Manning will get us to the playoffs, no doubt about it.

Would Miami truly sign a UNHEALTHY Peyton Manning?

Last time we played Manning at home on national tv 1st play of the game
80 yard TD to Dallas Clark will never forget that play. Hell yeah I would take him saw the weakness in our coverage exploited for an 80 yard catch and run to a fast tightend. Thats what we need a samrt QB that read coverages give me him of an athletic do it on the fly type ala Tim Tebow and Scam Newton, and my team is beating your's most of the time.

The biggest thing that separates the truly elite QBs is their anticipation. A guy like Manning, or Brady, they know where their best match up is before the snap, and they get the ball to that receiver on time. The elite guys are also exceptionally accurate. They hit guys in stride, they lead them away from defenders, and they don't need them to be wide open. The elite QBs make the players around them much, much better. Look at what Manning did for Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie. Do you see Collie getting a ton of separation? No, but it doesn't matter. Playing with Manning would allow a guy like Hartline to thrive.

There is a huge, huge difference between the adequate QBs and the elite QBs. Fins fans have forgotten what it was like to have an elite QB with good receiving talent around him. I laugh when someone says that Flynn's upside is greater. Flynn is a complete unknown. He was a 7th rd pick, who was a 1 year starter in college. He has started 2 NFL games, so teams have not gameplanned for him or broken down his weaknesses. You have no idea how good he really is. But, Manning, if healthy, is elite. He alone wins games. When we had Marino, he single-handedly won us 3 or 4 more games per year than our talent deserved. Manning does the same thing. If Manning had been healthy this year, the Colts probably go 8-8, at the worst.

Manning's health is a huge risk. But, the payoff is elite QB play.

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> Would Miami truly sign a UNHEALTHY Peyton Manning?


not only would we sign him, we'd pay him 2x what we should.

As well.

Maybe manning ends up back in Indy after all.

Irsay said last night they'd love to have him back if he'd work off the incentive based contract he's supposedly said he's open too.

Of course i expect manning will leak out how he'd love to finish in Indy if they are going to commit to trying to win during that span of time. (ie.. Don't draft luck). Turn that pick into multiple players that can help them win now.

Would be interesting if both luck and rg3 were being auctioned off.

Panteraize Wrote:
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> Finshady Wrote:
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> > Last time we played Manning at home on national
> tv
> > 1st play of the game
> > 80 yard TD to Dallas Clark
>
>
> God damn I remember that game too. We freaking
> HUMILIATED that team! Our offense ran a train on
> the colts D. We held possession of the ball for 45
> minutes that game, dominating them with long,
> time-consuming, scoring drive after scoring drive
> that they couldn't do anything to stop........ and
> we lost!
>
> Whereas our offense performed brilliantly, holding
> the ball for long drives and consistently scoring
> at the end of them, thus keeping Manning off the
> field (basicawhich is the EXACT recipe for beating
> elite QB's like Peyton Manning) and in spite of
> all this, Manning was able to beat us with about
> only 13 minutes of offense and basically 3-4 huge
> passes, despite sitting on the bench for 3
> quarters of the game.
>
> Despite dominating the colts most of that game and
> playing solid defense most of the brief time
> Manning was out there, all he ended up needing to
> do to pull out the win was execute literally 3 or
> 4 flicks of the wrist that each resulted in like
> an 80 yard TD. That $hit was unfreakingbelievable
> to watch our team dominate the colts the way they
> did for almost the entire game (save for those
> like 5 single passes that blew our secondary up
> for TD's) only to look up at the scoreboard at the
> end of the game and see that we somehow lost. I've
> never seen anything like that.
>
> If thats what he can do for us when healthy, being
> able to find a way to win games regardless of
> whether we get completely dominated and outplayed,
> I'd say yeah sign the freakin guy yesterday!

That's the game that to me proved the parcells model doesn't work any more. The team played that blueprint to a T, eating clock and running the ball, yet all it took to undo all that was a high powered offense with a great QB.

I like Manning but would not touch him. All of the what he coud do for us talk is fantasy.

I just read an article that indicated that Manning had 4 neck surgeries, not 3. That 4th one was never reported. And....it indicated that Manning may have some bone spurs in that area and may require further care.

I'm not so sure now, that I would want to put the Dolphins into the hands of a major medical risk. I have a strong feeling anyway, that Manning is now gonna stick with the Colts.

The only options Miami will then have are wither Flynn or RG III.