I'm thinking Jackson might not be a bad pick as a coach.

He had the Raiders heading in right direction till QB got hurt.

Players seemed to like him.

Palmer just sucks, I knew that before he was signed.

His offense is attacking.

I like the idea.

Yeah, but you also like Matt Moore over Sam Bradford so...

They were 7-4 going into December, then pooped their pants.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I'd like to believe we could do better - and Bowles fits that mark...

Oh wait, he's interviewing for the Raiders HC job...

The irony...

Moore had better stats then Bradford, why would I not want him?

They went in the hole AFTER the QB went down and they had an old (franchise) QB that most of us knew sucked pull them down the drain.

I think Palmer threw like 20 int's in his short time there.

dolphin Wrote:
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> Moore had better stats then Bradford, why would I
> not want him?
>

If I have to explain to you that Moore is a journeyman with a weak arm, who has peaked...that Bradford is a 2nd year player who still has upside....that ST Louis O-line and receiving corps were an embarrassment to then NFL....that despite our miserable record, our coaching staff was so much better than ST Louis staff that its not even worth comparing...

If I have to explain all of that to you, then its really not worth going into because you aren't going to change your mind...are MIA1?

Na, if it was Mia1, he'd want Thigpen back

This topic is misleading and needs to be prefaced as opinion. I have seen 0 reports of us interviewing Jackson for our HC vacancy.

He was the driving force behind way over paying for Carson Palmer, then in his season ending press conference he starts making wild demands of wanting more power (which he has come out and says he regrets doing)........no thanks!

Im not sure that is Miathunderthumpergoganstunner#1.

dolphin registered in 2010. But, I guess I could be wrong.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Henning and Daboll never coached togethor here.


Nolan is one of the best D Coordinators in the entire league.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I know that didn't. One bad OC after the Other. The whole staff under Sparano past and present were toxic.

Im not sure we had as bad a coaching staff as some other teams.

But thats just my opinion.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > If I have to explain to you that Moore is a
> > journeyman with a weak arm, who has
> peaked...that
> > Bradford is a 2nd year player who still has
> > upside....that ST Louis O-line and receiving
> corps
> > were an embarrassment to then NFL....that
> despite
> > our miserable record, our coaching staff was so
> > much better than ST Louis staff that its not
> even
> > worth comparing...
>
> RESPONSE: Stop right there! You lost any
> credibility with respect to the prior statements
> with that last statement I put in bold.
>
> NOBODY but NOOOOOOOO-BODDDY, has ever in the
> history of PRO FOOTBALL EVER BUT EVER BUT NEVER
> HAD A WORST COACHING STAFF THAT SPARANO, HENNING,
> DABOLL AND IRELAND!!!!!
>
> -----------------------------------

You speaking about credibility in any discussion is the height of hilarity.

First of all...Jeff Ireland has NEVER coached anything on this team let alone in the context of this discussion (this season). Seriously...how can you expect anyone to take your nonsense to heart when you don't know the difference between a GM and a member of the coaching staff? I really should stop right here because your OBVIOUS hatred of "THE Truth" clearly taints your ability to think or debate logically.

But I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll soldier on.

Henning is old news. Moore never played for him here so using him in an argument over Moore vs Bradford is just stupid.

...and Daboll is HEAD and SHOULDERS better (imho) than the OC Bradford has had to work with in St Louis. Heck he made Colt McCoy look like a draft STEAL in 2010 in Cleveland and made Matt Moore look like a decent NFL starting QB the next year.

...and despite Sparano's being a bad coach...his career record as a HC is 29-32 (.475 winning %) which is LIGHT years ahead of Steve Spagnuolo's 10-38 (.218 wining %).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2012 02:51PM by THE Truth.

The Truth,

You think Daboll is better than Josh McDaniels as an OC??

Im not sure of that.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Im not sure we had as bad a coaching staff as some
> other teams.
>
> But thats just my opinion.


Our staff was light years better than St. Louis in the context of the coaching Bradford received there and Moore was exposed to here, which is the discussion CB intruded upon with his shotgun blast of poppy cock.

As for the rest of the league...I think the bulk of our staff stacks up very nicely with even the best teams in the league.

Where we were near the bottom of the league was where it mattered most...Head Coach.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> The Truth,
>
> You think Daboll is better than Josh McDaniels as
> an OC??
>
> Im not sure of that.


Yes I do. But if you wanted to argue they were on similar ground I wouldn't debate the point.

McDaniels had a great year with AWESOME talent and then bombed in Denver.

Daboll has gotten impressive production form less. Frankly I'm more impressed with what Daboll has done with Moore and McCoy the last two years as well as Bush and Peyton Hillis.

McDaniles got great production from HOF players like Brady, Welker and Moss. They carried on without missing a beat after he left. He struggled in denver. Makes you wonder...

Daboll made Cleveland competitive with a rookie 3rd round "project" QB...a cast off FB/RB on his 3rd team and Muhammed Massquoi at WR. Then he came here and updraged our offense without even an off-season to install hos offense. Cleveland's Offense went off a cliff after he left. Our got better under the WORST of conditions.


For my tastes...that's way more impressive than McDaniles career to date.

Ahhh...just wondering your stance. I tend to believe what you do.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I really liked Jason Garrett as a head coach a few years back, so I'm keeping my mouth shut. So many varibles . My heart really wanted Gruden and I thought he really wanted this Job. Again I was wrong. This Fisher guy doesn't seem to really want it either so I'm at a loss. What i do know is that for some reason , since Shula left something has really gone wrong in south fla becuase people seem to be avoiding it like the plague. Maybe we need to develop a coach? Make Chad Pennington the QB 's coach. In case this next guy flakes on us in a few seasons. Bring him along. I'm at a loss...........

What we need 1st and foremost is a QB. Until we get that, it doesnt matter who the Coach is.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

THE Truth Wrote:
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> > RESPONSE: Stop right there! You lost any
> > credibility with respect to the prior
> statements
> > with that last statement I put in bold.
> >
> > NOBODY but NOOOOOOOO-BODDDY, has ever in the
> > history of PRO FOOTBALL EVER BUT EVER BUT NEVER
> > HAD A WORST COACHING STAFF THAT SPARANO,
> HENNING,
> > DABOLL AND IRELAND!!!!!
> >
> > -----------------------------------
>
> You speaking about credibility in any discussion
> is the height of hilarity.
>
> First of all...Jeff Ireland has NEVER coached
> anything on this team let alone in the context of
> this discussion (this season). Seriously...how
> can you expect anyone to take your nonsense to
> heart when you don't know the difference between a
> GM and a member of the coaching staff?

RESPONSE: Oh, come on. I know Ireland is the GM. I have advocated cleaning out the whole crew! Everybody on board knows this. I even posted once that I would fire the OWNER ROSS if it were possible.

But of course, I do make allowances for learning disabilities and for people who take things quite concretely and are unable to free their minds to analogize.



I really
> should stop right here because your OBVIOUS hatred
> of "THE Truth" clearly taints your ability to
> think or debate logically.

RESPONSE: I told you many times before. I like you! I like You!!!! What must I do to prove my love?


>
> But I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll soldier
> on.
>
> Henning is old news. Moore never played for him

RESPONSE: That's why I said "past and present."


> here so using him in an argument over Moore vs
> Bradford is just stupid.


RESPONSE: Read carefully above, I particularly separated my post from any discussion of the merits of your point concerning the quarterbacks. My only point was that if your argument was premised on us having a better coaching staff than ANYONE, you were bonkers. Bonkers from Yonkers!

>
> ...and Daboll is HEAD and SHOULDERS better (imho)
> than the OC Bradford has had to work with in St
> Louis.

RESPONSE: Yeah, that brilliance led us to our wonderful start of the season.

Heck he made Colt McCoy look like a draft
> STEAL in 2010 in Cleveland


RESPONSE: And Colt McCoy ranked how high among QBs this year?

and made Matt Moore
> look like a decent NFL starting QB the next year.

RESPONSE: That was all Matt Moore. He told them to go f_ck a duck when they tried to have him run the same plays that Henne just bowed down to and run.

IT WAS ALL MATT MOORE AND NONE OF THE GODDAMN COACHING STAFF!!!!



>
> ...and despite Sparano's being a bad coach...his
> career record as a HC is 29-32 (.475 winning %)
> which is LIGHT years ahead of Steve Spagnuolo's
> 10-38 (.218 wining %).

RESPONSE: Hey, so it's better to die by poison than by a gunshot.

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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I really liked Jason Garrett as a head coach a few
> years back, so I'm keeping my mouth shut. So many
> varibles . My heart really wanted Gruden and I
> thought he really wanted this Job. Again I was
> wrong. This Fisher guy doesn't seem to really want
> it either so I'm at a loss. What i do know is that
> for some reason , since Shula left something has
> really gone wrong in south fla becuase people seem
> to be avoiding it like the plague.

I feel ya TCPF...Its frustrating when you can't find what you used to have.

But at the end of the day, I'm not sure you are right about people avoiding us.

JJ took this job. He was one of the top coaches in the league...ever.

Wannstedt jumped at it.

So did Saban, and Cameron and even Bill Parcells.

No doubt we made some bad choices since Shula retired, but I don't think we had any problems attracting top talent until the last year, and that has far more to do with our lack of a QB than anything else.




> Maybe we need
> to develop a coach? Make Chad Pennington the QB 's
> coach. In case this next guy flakes on us in a few
> seasons. Bring him along. I'm at a
> loss...........


I love pennington as a coach. I'd hire him in a minute. I think he has great HC potential someday.

But there are other guys out there that fit that description as well.

Fisher is pretty good. He's a know commodity, even if he's not an elite guy. If he passes, you just need to go find an assistant somewhere with HC qualities and then get him a QB so he can succeed.

Don Shula was a hell of a coach. But he had the benefit of THREE immortal QB's running his teams throughout his career.

There are a lot of good coaches who never got the chance to be great because they never had a QB.

Its tough, but you need them both as a franchise to be successful.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I really liked Jason Garrett as a head coach a few
> years back, so I'm keeping my mouth shut. So many
> varibles . My heart really wanted Gruden and I
> thought he really wanted this Job. Again I was
> wrong. This Fisher guy doesn't seem to really want
> it either so I'm at a loss. What i do know is that
> for some reason , since Shula left something has
> really gone wrong in south fla becuase people seem
> to be avoiding it like the plague. Maybe we need
> to develop a coach? Make Chad Pennington the QB 's
> coach. In case this next guy flakes on us in a few
> seasons. Bring him along. I'm at a
> loss...........


not really true. post shula we got JJ, who was by far the top option and wanted the job big time. We also got Saban who everyone tried to hire for years. CamMoron was hired and I think we could've had our pick. Sporano was Parcells boy, and we got Parcells when the Falcons really wanted him and anyone else too. Only in the past year, with Harbaugh and now MAYBE Fisher does it seem like coaches don't want us. But if we get Fisher then Harbaugh will be the only one who got away

Well lets start schooling Zach Thomas in the ways of coaching, then.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Oh gosh....here we go again.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Oh gosh....here we go again.


Oh yeah....I've got proof even he can't deny.

Well...of course he can deny it but NOBODY who isn't sharing a brain with a hamster would support his delusion.