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Which 2012 HOF Finalist do you think belongs in Canton the most?

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16 votes were received.

RB Jerome Bettis	1		6%
WR/KR Tim Brown	0		0%
CB Jack Butler (Senior Nominee)	1		6%
WR Cris Carter	6		38%
C Dermontti Dawson	1		6%
Owner Ed DeBartolo Jr.	0		0%
DE/CB Chris Doleman	0		0%
DE/CB Kevin Greene	0		0%
LB/DE Charles Haley	0		0%
DT Cortez Kennedy	0		0%
RB Curtis Martin	0		0%
Coach Bill Parcells	3		19%
WR Andre Reed	3		19%
T Willie Roaf	1		6%
G Will Shields	0		0%
G Dick Stanfel (Senior Nominee)	0		0%
CB/S Aeneas Williams	0		0%

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This weekend, the 15 modern-day finalists were announced for the 2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame. Who do you think belongs there most?

Curtis Martin, Cris Carter, Bill Parcells.

btw...Bettis isn't a HOF RB.

The day you put a guy in there that couldn't average 4.0 ypc for his career you should just shut the doors.

DolfanMike Wrote:
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> Cris Carter I can see.
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Not to mention...he was a Dolphin. for a few games.

Always Dug Willie Roaf.

Darmonti Dawson is the 2nd best player at his position ever, behind Dwight Stevenson.

Of anybody on that list, Dawson is the one.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I went through that list and numbered them accordingly to their position, and where they rank at.

Carter isnt even a top 10 Wr in my mind.

Willie Roaf is maybe a top 5 LT.

Dawson is definately a top 3 Center, and probably the #2.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I went through that list and numbered them
> accordingly to their position, and where they rank
> at.
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> Carter isnt even a top 10 Wr in my mind.

Wow. Not sure how you get there.

The guy played parts 16 seasons. The last was carrying a clipboard in Miami for a few weeks.

He lost the first 3 at the bottom of a liquor bottle.

His 12 years in Minnesota were ridiculously good BEFORE the era of the pass first, 2nd and always NFL.

He went to 8 Pro bowls and was 1st team all pro twice.

When he retired, only Rice and Lofton were ahead of him on the all time yardage list.

And while there may have been guys at the same level, I'd dare to say that there has never been a WR in the NFL with a better set of hands.

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> Willie Roaf is maybe a top 5 LT.

Roaf was terrific but he's boarderline. Won't bother me if he get sin. Won't surprise me if he doesn't



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> Dawson is definately a top 3 Center, and probably
> the #2.

Dawson isn't even the top Center in Steeler history but he's like Roaf for me. Borderline guy...

Weak class. I'd say Andre Reed, if any.

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Dawson was a 6x All Pro 1st team selection. 7X Pro Bowl selection. 1990's all-decade team.

Carter is an easy lock Hall-of-Famer, but I believe Dawson is as much so too.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Dawson was a 6x All Pro 1st team selection. 7X Pro
> Bowl selection. 1990's all-decade team.
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> Carter is an easy lock Hall-of-Famer, but I
> believe Dawson is as much so too.


Could be. He has the resume.

I have no issues with him getting in.

I'd just put Carter, Martin and Parcells in before him.

Carter and Parcells, yes. Martin, no.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Jack Butler or Dick Stanfel. Those old school dudes were tough. They didn't have facemasks on their helmets and the helmet was just like a bicycle helmet or a flap of leather. Their heads were like their helmets.

And How can I not vote a guy in who used his melon for a helmet??

Parcells. Based on his work in the 80s

1 Superbowl? Wow...what a decade.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

fyi: Before his arrival in 1983 as Head Coach of the NY Giants, the Giants were a laughing stock of the NFL. He transformed that team into one that possessed probably the most dominating defense ever seen on a football field. He went against conventional theory and championed the return of the 3-4 Defense, a strategy that continues to win games in the NFL today.

Some names off the Parcells coaching tree:

Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
Tom Coughlin, New York Giants
Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints

5 titles in between them.

Darmontti Dawson unseated Webster and pushed Webster over to Guard.

Anywho...7 Pro Bowls, 6 First team All-Pro's, 1990's All Decade team.


You do the math, Rick. End of story.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Darmontti Dawson unseated Webster and pushed
> Webster over to Guard.
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> Anywho...7 Pro Bowls, 6 First team All-Pro's,
> 1990's All Decade team.
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> You do the math, Rick. End of story.


I don't think that's the case.

Football reference.com has them only playing together for the 1988 season. That was Dawsons rookie year and Websters 15th (he was 36).

It has Dawson playing in 5 games at RG and Webster playing all 16 at C.

Seems that Dawson replaced Webster (Webster played parts of 2 more seasons at KC) but not when they were both on the field together.

Again, Im not saying any of those guys are not deserving. They all are.


But Dawson is one of the greatest ever at his position. Ever.

People over look him.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

That is a really weak class. I hope they don't put in the max number.

Kooch should be on that list, he would be an easy pick.

Chris Carter should be in, it is insane he is not. I'm not a fan of his, but his numbers and game were awesome.

And he was how old at the time? This guy went to Pro Bowls playing at a time when one of the best centers of all time, Dwight Stevenson, was playing. YOU do the math.

Rick

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> And he was how old at the time? This guy went to
> Pro Bowls playing at a time when one of the best
> centers of all time, Dwight Stevenson, was
> playing. YOU do the math.


You must be from Texas, where I believe the removed math from text books a while back...

Stephenson's career ended in 1987.

Dawson's started in 1988,as a RG. He didn't make his first pro bowl until 1992....well after the two best centers of all-time (Stephenson and Mike Webster) had retired.

Just try to bear it, Rick.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> "Dawson is definately a top 3 Center, and probably
> the #2."
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> Right. Either you are joking, or you have no idea
> what the hell you are talking about. The the top
> FOUR-and there are several more on this list-FOUR
> centers of all time are Dwight Stevenson, Mike
> Webster, Jim Langer, and Chuck Bednarik (yes, he
> went in as a center/lb, but that doesn't change
> the facts). There is no question, no doubt about
> ANY of these guys, and there certainly is about
> Dermotti Dawson. I would be astonished if he
> joined this group of stellar performers.

Jim Otto, 10 time All AFL (pre-1970 merger), 3-time All Pro (post-merger).

Mel Hein, along with Webster, were the two centers selected for the NFL's 75th Anniversary Team.

Jim Ringo, 10-time All Pro.

Even Jay Hilgenberg, a 7 time All Pro, is in the discusson.


It's interesting to me that no one voted for Kevin Greene. In 4 fewer games, Greene had 20.5 more sacks than JT. His numbers of fumble recoveries, safeties, Pro Bowls, and All Pro selections are all very similar to JT. I think JT is the better all around player, and he has more big plays, with forced fumbles and defensive TDs. But, 160 sacks for Greene is a ton. And I have to think that if you don't think Greene is worthy, then JT is borderline at best. And Chris Doleman, in the same number of games, had 11 more sacks than JT. And he had more Pro Bowl selections than JT. And no one voted for him either.