Why would we want GB's backup quarterback? We already have a back up quarterback that is performing well. You telling me that he is a Brady just awaiting his opportunity?

Again, doesn't seem like a "tenable" position to me.

Maybe so, but trading up for Griffin is just as risky because the price of getting him will be much too high.

No matter what we do (Griffin, Tannehill, Foles, Flynn, or Moore as Q we run the same risk of screwing up...we have to pick one option and run with it for better or worse.

If this guy interviews well, (and fisher passes) I'd hire him. He'd for sure know if Flynn's the real deal or not (with his coaching reputation on the line, I doubt he would endorse him if not), and he could put him in a system he'd be comfortable with. It'd be like killing 2 birds with one stone.

As far as being inexperienced, It's called a coaching tree and Green Bays isn't a bad one to pluck right now. My only real concern with Philbin is, he can't be hired until the packers are eliminated, which could realistically be after the Super Bowl. That'd put him way behind the 8 ball as far as putting a staff together.

I would like to know what philbin does with GB. I am OK if he doesn't call the plays as long as he has input in their design and add something to the process. If he worked in developing Rogers and Flynn, that's great. I think Andy Reid was a QB coach when he was hired, not an OC or play caller, so he didn't call the plays either but is pretty good at it

I agree, berk. I want to know exactly what Philbin does.

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As a head coach, he won't call plays either, so not sure that's really relevant.

Philbin might be the best bet if Fisher takes the St Louis Job. Philbin/ Flynn would be interesting , but I hope we still try to move up in the draft instead.

yeah, I think i could live with philbin//flynn. there are worse teams to emulate than GB. better than DAL anyway

I believe as OC he would still implement the gameplan each week, even if McCarthy designed the structure of the offense and calls the plays.

I'm sure he doesn't sit there and make copies all day.

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I dont know about that man. Im pretty sure that Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, and Sean Peyton do everything when it comes to the weekly offensive gameplan.

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Aqua, how does a green soldier become a seasoned vet? He learns from the good ones.

I'd rather roll the dice on a newbie from the Packers org and Super bowl winning coach Mike Mccarthy, then an apprentice from Dallas with Wade Philips as a mentor.

I agree, Dolph. I do.

I was only pointing out to the other guy that no way McCarthy, Peyton, and Reid take a back seat to the offense during the week.

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I'm all for Philbin. Fisher = tony= wannstadt

Philbin designs the game plans each week. I'm sure he would bring in the same offense design here, and I am all for trying to score!!!!

How do you know he designs the gameplan?

You are assuming. Right!?


I think McCarthy designs and calls the plays.

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I agree that McCarthy designs and calls the plays but I would think that, as OC, Philbin would be involved pretty heavily involved in the gameplan, play design, and playcalling. I am just guessing though. His responsibilities and capabilities should be pretty easy for Ross and Ireland to find out considering they are interviewing him about these very things.

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You just don't like coaches with mustaches. Why not include Cowher in that group?

If its not Fisher...I want Jay Gruden as out next interview.

Yes its obvious that McCarthy makes the final call on play design and play calling but what most are wondering is: To what degree does Philbin have input on play design, game planning, and play calling. That is the big question.

Again, the guy has to be involved to a large degree...it makes zero sense to hire a guy, give him a title, pay him a crapload of money, and then NOT have him do the job you are paying him to do.

How much is he getting paid? I didnt realize he was getting paid "a crapload".

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Philbin has a ton of talent to work with, not to mention the fact their HC is the offensive “master mind” and key intellect in relation to their offensive system.

Philbin is an overly obvious candidate due to the team’s success, but I wouldn’t credit him as the “active ingredient” for the same. He’s a >>> facilitator <<< as opposed to an innovator and/or creator from what I know (and otherwise deduce from the basic facts of GB’s org.). Personally I’m from Missouri on this one…

Bring me in a dude who gets really good results from less than stellar ingredients. But I seriously doubt we have the brain trust intact to make that kind of selection – so we’ll be stuck with the more obvious choice…

BoRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRing.

BNF.

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"Bring me in a dude who gets really good results from less than stellar ingredients."


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Jay Gruden?

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I would be thrilled with a Jay Gruden interview. We need a few more lower tier guys to round out our coaching search unless Ireland was very impressed with Bowles, Toub, or Philbin.

I’ve said before that I’d like to see what Gruden and Nolan could do together, but Gruden has not proven to get the most out of scraps. Very few coaches have that type of scheme flexibility and innate capacity to play into their teams strengths while exploiting the opposition’s weakness. But at least Gruden is a bright offensive mind and I believe the dude can coach QBs. He’s not going to coach anyway so it doesn’t matter.

I know we’ve had issues with reaching into the college ranks in the past but that’s where we’re most likely to find a young HC (I’m thinking under 45) who’s consistently outcoaching his opponents and finds a way to win with lesser talent. For example, the way JJ performed at Oklahoma State going against Switzer and the Sooners who had superior talent – yet JJ was kicking his ass. Then when he got to UM and put together the BEST TALENT streak in the history of college football – and then the amazing talent he pulled together at Dallas. JJ proved he could win FIRST, but then he also proved he had the best eye for talent in all of football (this of course is all before his burn-out with the Dolphins).

I guess my point is, it would be great to find a young coach with those kinds of skills AND the personality to demand excellence and performance from every player. Of course that’s a very tall order – and highly unlikely. So we’re pretty much guaranteed to make yet another “safe” choice rather than swing for the fences.