apparently we are tied with CAR and the applicable tiebreaker will be a coin flip. I could live with #8.

Benjamin Volin @BenVolinPBP
So it looks like CAR and MIA draft order will come down to a coin flip. Conf record doesn't apply as 2nd tiebreaker bc of diff confs

Yeah...Carolina dont need that extra spot like we do anyways.

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so....do we want to give up the farm to move up to 2 or 3 and get RG3? moving up 6 or 7 spots is not inconceivable

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> so....do we want to give up the farm to move up to
> 2 or 3 and get RG3? moving up 6 or 7 spots is not
> inconceivable


Define "farm"

farm = (1) 1st round this year; (2) second round this year; (3) 4th round this year; (5) 1st round next year; (5) 3d round next year

to move up about 6-8 spots

I say we stay where we are, trade for Flynn using some picks next season, and use our #1 this year on a RT, our #2 on a speedy, big play, WR/TE, and our #3 on a LB/DE/FS...beyond that it should be BPA.

ken, flynn is a FA so we wouldn't need to trade for him, just pay him a boat load of $$

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> farm = (1) 1st round this year; (2) second round
> this year; (3) 4th round this year; (5) 1st round
> next year; (5) 3d round next year
>
> to move up about 6-8 spots


I make that trade for RG III or Luck.

I think luck will cost even more than that!

I am wary of matt flynn, but I've got to say, getting him for no picks vs trading a boatload for RG3 (who to me is riskier than luck) has some appeal

i would do that trade for RGIII definitely. hopefully we can find some good FAs though cuz we won't be adding much besides RGIII in the draft for two years.

I would be ok with Flynn but he is much riskier than RGIII

I think the only way Ireland saves his job beyond next year is to make a huge trade for either Luck or RG3.

If he does make a blockbuster trade like that for a QB, his job will ultimately be tied to said QB, thus giving him at least another 2-3 years at the helm.

If I were a GM, I would definitely risk attaching my name to Andrew Luck.

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> I think the only way Ireland saves his job beyond
> next year is to make a huge trade for either Luck
> or RG3.
>
> If he does make a blockbuster trade like that for
> a QB, his job will ultimately be tied to said QB,
> thus giving him at least another 2-3 years at the
> helm.
>
> If I were a GM, I would definitely risk attaching
> my name to Andrew Luck.


I think you hit the nail on the head.

I've been saying for a year that Ireland would be back and Sparano wouldn't, that they weren't tied at the hip...but I also think he's gone if he doesn't bring in a QB.

The single worst thing he could do for his job safety in Miami is go into next year with Matt Moore and another re-tread QB like Jason Campbell as our top QB options.

If he doesn't get Luck, griffin, Manning, Flynn or some other established franchise QB then he'll be gone...and rightly so.

I mean if you can't commit to, and over pay for a prospect like Luck, when are you ever going to proactively acquire a QB?

The question really is...do you think Ireland has the guts to go all in and trade up in the draft?

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> I think the only way Ireland saves his job beyond
> next year is to make a huge trade for either Luck
> or RG3.
>
> If he does make a blockbuster trade like that for
> a QB, his job will ultimately be tied to said QB,
> thus giving him at least another 2-3 years at the
> helm.
>
> If I were a GM, I would definitely risk attaching
> my name to Andrew Luck.


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Unfortunately,

Im afraid Carl Peterson is going to make that decision.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"